[Jay328xi]

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=390300
This guy scammed me and a couple other people by selling us the same rims. I didnt think it was possible to get scammed on a forum with people who have respect for one another. This guy asked me to send him the money through paypal as a gift so he doesn't have to pay the fee and I blindly trusted him and sent the money as a gift so now paypal cant do anything. I have gotten a lot of information on this guy now. He is still in high school. He goes to Aragon high school in San Mateo, California. I am trying to get in touch with his parents before I go to the police.

[semperfi1776]

Too bad he is not in San Francisco County (next to San Mateo county), I could have asked my cop buddy to help out.

[Meff]

Thanks for the heads up on this douche bag - sounds like the parking lot of his school may be a good place for an impromptu M meet?

[SlamMan]

Get in touch with his parents WITH the police.

[MaverickNemesis]

well scamming is not against the law unfortunately thats why it happens so much online...

[MaverickNemesis]

thats why you do it thru paypal and then set up a case and receive your money back and shuts him down that way at least

[Sp_e90]

Originally Posted by Meff

Thanks for the heads up on this douche bag - sounds like the parking lot of his school may be a good place for an impromptu M meet?

i agree

[GOLFFRR]

wow, you guys need to def get him busted with the police

[Ron1n]

Originally Posted by MaverickNemesis

well scamming is not against the law unfortunately thats why it happens so much online...

.....words can't describe my thoughts about this post.

It's illegal to accept money in exchange for something else without providing the something else. It's called fraud, and it *is* illegal, genius.

[RaceFab]

I cant believe no one is stepping up here locally to give you a hand...Id help but im on Felony Probation and i cant afford to go back

[MaverickNemesis]

Originally Posted by Ron1n

.....words can't describe my thoughts about this post.

It's illegal to accept money in exchange for something else without providing the something else. It's called fraud, and it *is* illegal, genius.

well im so much of a genius that I am a cop and scamming isnt illegal like I mentioned before thats why it happens so often. Its a mutual agreement between a seller and a buyer and if one cant hold up its end of the agreement then the most one can do is take that person to civil court to reclaim your money. If you dont know what you are talking about then dont post idiotic things.

[E90330iS]

Originally Posted by RaceFab

I cant believe no one is stepping up here locally to give you a hand...Id help but im on Felony Probation and i cant afford to go back

wow

[Express]

whose down for a trip from south florida? ill buy the plane tickets.

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[bulldog_yyc]

Originally Posted by MaverickNemesis

well im so much of a genius that I am a cop and scamming isnt illegal like I mentioned before thats why it happens so often. Its a mutual agreement between a seller and a buyer and if one cant hold up its end of the agreement then the most one can do is take that person to civil court to reclaim your money. If you dont know what you are talking about then dont post idiotic things.

just because regular cops like you can't be bothered to help out citizens who have been burned by a scam doesn't mean its legal to scam people. I understand writing tickets must make more revenue for the city so helping tax paying citizens (who pay for your paycheck, retirement benefits etc) is obviously a waste of time right? LOL

[sleepyx637]

Originally Posted by MaverickNemesis

well scamming is not against the law unfortunately thats why it happens so much online...

Originally Posted by MaverickNemesis

well im so much of a genius that I am a cop and scamming isnt illegal like I mentioned before thats why it happens so often. Its a mutual agreement between a seller and a buyer and if one cant hold up its end of the agreement then the most one can do is take that person to civil court to reclaim your money. If you dont know what you are talking about then dont post idiotic things.

we all know cops are generally retarded...so you prove your own point. fraud is illegal you dumb shit -- that's why people go to jail for it. ever heard of bernie madoff? the fact that you're a cop and don't know this just makes it that much worse. time to stop filling your brain with donuts and to start hitting the books.

here's a free lesson for you: there's a difference between being unable to uphold one end of the contract vs. going out to affirmatively steal people's money. if someone is unable to uphold their end of the contract, but had intended to (for example, if the product they were selling got accidentially destroyed after they entered into the contract), then that's a breach of contract and only civil damages are available. but, as in this case and other scamming cases, where the seller intentionally deceived the buyers for personal gain with no intent of upholding their end of the contract, it's called FRAUD and FRAUD carries both civil and criminal penalities.

[Jay328xi]

Updates on whats happening. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=399541

He said he will send the money back to me and the other guy just waiting until Tuesday because that is when his new paypal will be verified. If I don't get it by then all hell will break loose.

[MaverickNemesis]

Originally Posted by sleepyx637

we all know cops are generally retarded...so you prove your own point. fraud is illegal you dumb shit -- that's why people go to jail for it. ever heard of bernie madoff? the fact that you're a cop and don't know this just makes it that much worse. time to stop filling your brain with donuts and to start hitting the books.

here's a free lesson for you: there's a difference between being unable to uphold one end of the contract vs. going out to affirmatively steal people's money. if someone is unable to uphold their end of the contract, but had intended to (for example, if the product they were selling got accidentially destroyed after they entered into the contract), then that's a breach of contract and only civil damages are available. but, as in this case and other scamming cases, where the seller intentionally deceived the buyers for personal gain with no intent of upholding their end of the contract, it's called FRAUD and FRAUD carries both civil and criminal penalities.

Madoff im pretty sure was trailed at a federal court and was arrested by the FBI. Scams or Frauds are federal offenses not state offenses. police agencies can't do anything. Only types of fraud that is handled by police agencies are identity theft at least thats how it works in NY. If you want to report scams or frauds you will either have to go thru the FBI hotline or one of these:


Federal Trade Commission - KnowFraud Complaint Form

The FTC also receives over 10,000 individual pieces of spam every day from irate consumers who forward the deceptive e-mail to them at uce@ftc.gov

Internet Crime Complaint Center - FBI backed site for online fraud reporting.

Individuals who suspect possible corporate fraud may report suspicious activity to the FBI in Washington, DC, via a toll-free Corporate Fraud Hotline. The number is (888) 622- 0117. The Hotline is manned Monday through Friday 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. by FBI analysts.

The FBI also has a terrorist tip line which has been extended to include other serious crimes.

They have received over 600,000 tips from around the globe. Initially, almost 100% of the tips received were related to the terrorist attacks; however, now approximately 45% of all tips received are related to almost every other FBI criminal program, e.g., drug trafficking, organized crime, money laundering, pyramid schemes, child pornography, fugitives, bank robbery.

The operation is completely automated and paperless. Submitted tips are received immediately, reviewed within minutes and prioritized by trained Professional Support personnel.

The operation is completely automated and paperless. Submitted tips are received immediately, reviewed within minutes and prioritized by trained Professional Support personnel.

Cross-Border E-Commerce Purchase Complaint Form - FTC initiated international effort ( econsumer.gov )

USPS Mail Fraud Complaint Form - use if the mail system has been part of the fraud. (solicitations, mailed payments, etc.) You can also download a postal fraud complaint form.

Securities Exchange Commission - U.S. investment scams

Securities Exchange Commission - e-mail Prime Bank complaints.

National Association of Securities Dealers - U.S. investment scams by members.

State Securities Regulators - U.S. investment scams / state links.

North American Securities Commissions ( Canada, U.S., Mexico )

If you have been victimized by one of the Nigerian Advance Fee schemes, please forward appropriate written documentation to the

United States Secret Service,
Financial Crimes Division,
950 H Street, NW,
Washington, DC 20001, or telephone (202) 406-5850 fax: (202) 406-8203

You can report this crime online to the U.S. Treasury Department Secret Service ( Nigerian Frauds ) but they don't want your spam. Contact them directly if you suffered a substantial loss.

A list of local Field Offices for the Secret Service.

If you receive such a letter in the mail send it along to:

Inspection Service Operations Support Group
Two Gateway Center, 9th Floor
Newark, NJ 07175-0001

If you have somehow reached the stage of meeting with Nigerian scammers in the United States for collection of the marked currency and need to Locate an FBI field office.

National Consumers League - Fraud.org - Info placed in database accessible by law enforcement. 1-800-876-7060

Better Business Bureau - Directs you to specific branches for primarily consumer complaints.

eBay Auction Fraud Department

Florida's Attorney General Charlie Crist has a 1-866-No-Scam hotline.

it is a criminal offensive which isnt handled by anyone outsides of the FBI unfortunately.

also some other tips which is why you should use paypal in order to get your money back if you do get in this situation:

Avoiding Non-Delivery of Merchandise
Make sure you are purchasing merchandise from a reputable source.
Do your homework on the individual or company to ensure that they are legitimate.

Try to obtain a physical address rather than merely a post office box and a phone number, call the seller to see if the number is correct and working.

Send them e-mail to see if they have an active e-mail address and be wary of sellers who use free e-mail services where a credit card wasn’t required to open the account.

Consider not purchasing from sellers who won't provide you with this type of information.

Check with the Better Business Bureau from the seller’s area.

Check out other web sites regarding this person/company.

Don’t judge a person/company by their web site.

Be cautious when responding to special offers (especially through unsolicited e-mail).

Be cautious when dealing with individuals/companies from outside your own country.

Inquire about returns and warranties.

The safest way to purchase items via the Internet is by credit card because you can often dispute the charges if something is wrong.

Make sure the transaction is secure when you electronically send your credit card numbers.

Consider utilizing an escrow or alternate payment service.

[MaverickNemesis]

Originally Posted by turkish335

just because regular cops like you can't be bothered to help out citizens who have been burned by a scam doesn't mean its legal to scam people. I understand writing tickets must make more revenue for the city so helping tax paying citizens (who pay for your paycheck, retirement benefits etc) is obviously a waste of time right? LOL

im not a traffic or summons cop and im pretty sure I pay my own check with all the taxes taken out of mine. Either that or pay for everyone elses welfare, housing projects/section 8, medicaid, social security which will be irrelevant by the time im up for it, etc. and at the end of the year I only get back 1/4 of what was taken out anyways. I hope when something happens to you you dont call the cops cuz thats the only time anyone appreciates one. I dont care what you do or dont think of me but fraud can be avoided by just using simple paypal or credit card in which case you can dispute the case and receive your money back. Its a federal offense and I believe a trade act offense.

[MaverickNemesis]

retirement benefits are upheld by the union which each cop has to pay a fee each check that goes towards retired cops not from tax payers.

[I335]

Wow - I guess this cop's not so retarded after all... Very mature of him not to blast you back but instead give you tons of valuable info...

[XiaoDeeDeee]

Originally Posted by MaverickNemesis

well scamming is not against the law unfortunately thats why it happens so much online...

Originally Posted by Ron1n

.....words can't describe my thoughts about this post.

It's illegal to accept money in exchange for something else without providing the something else. It's called fraud, and it *is* illegal, genius.

Let me reword MaverickNemesis' post:

"Scamming is against the law, but unless the monetary value meets or exceeds a certain level, it is not in the interest of local law enforcement or any level of government authority to pursue the matter."

The only punitive satisfaction the OP and company will receive is by blowing this matter up, making sure all his friends/family know what a scumbag he is. Basically make his life as miserable as possible.


Unless of course law enforcement decides this scamming situation is out of hand and authorities wish to make an example of someone. Take a look at piracy. Millions of unauthorized reproduction of copyright material hourly...only one or two offenders caught to make headlines

[sleepyx637]

Originally Posted by I335

Wow - I guess this cop's not so retarded after all... Very mature of him not to blast you back but instead give you tons of valuable info...

sorry, but that's not valuable info -- it's basically a bunch of copied/pasted blurbs about federal fraud, without anything about state fraud. fraud is a very general description touched upon by a variety of statutes and case law. for exampe, insurance fraud, false advertising, embezzlement, writing bad checks, etc. new york doesnt put people in prison for ANY of those crimes? if so, maybe we should all move there and get rich.

a quick google search shows a variety of new york statutes on fraud:

http://wings.buffalo.edu/law/bclc/we...)(2)colors.htm
http://wings.buffalo.edu/law/bclc/we...nyomission.htm
http://wings.buffalo.edu/law/bclc/we....htm#tny176_00

just because he doesn't enforce crimes involving fraud, doesnt mean other new york state law enforcement agencies do not. usually, these matters are a bit more sophisticated and therefore special units are required.