AE Performance + AR Design = Magic Combo

vasillalov · 06-23-2010, 07:09 PM

So I've been stock piling mods for my 335i in my living room. It got so bad that I was running out of space in my apartment so I thought today was a good day to get some of the mods installed.

Unfortunately, I've also realized that I've gotten to lazy and spoiled to crawl under the car and do my own install. So I took my car to VSMotorsports which is a local Chicagoland race shop. Almost everyone who owns a BMW knows about them as their work is top notch.

VSMotorsports installed AE Performance catless exhaust and the AR Design catless downpipes. I've already been running the BMS O2 simulator for over 2 weeks now.

The install went smoothly and the guys were kind enough to cut my OEM exhaust into two pieces so that it will fit in the car.

Let me share some of my first experiences with this combo:

1. FITMENT OF PARTS:

I cannot stress how well both products are designed. It also looks like the downpipes and the exhaust were made by the same person for my car. The grade of materials used both in the downpipes and the exhaust are top notch. Everything fit nicely and nothing had to be modified or adjusted. It all bolted right up and it fit nicely and snugly! Simply perfect execution on the manufacturing of the downpipes and the exhaust. Even the guys at VSMotorsports noted that this is the first time they have installed exhausts and downpipes that fitted so well right out of the bat!

2. SOUND EXPERIENCE:

Going from completely stock to fully catless on the first install caught me by surprise. When the car was started for the very first time after the install it sounded like a big grizzly bear has been awaken from a winter's sleep. After about a minute of idle-ing everything calmed down a bit and the exhaust system established a nice tone which was not rude or annoying, but definitely reminded everyone that: "Hey I am here and don't mess with me" .

Lets not forget the turbo sounds! OMG! Totally intoxicating. I can hear the two snails twisting and whistling at each other at partial and full throttle. Let off the gas pedal and you can hear the DVs working too.

I must say that the soundtrack of the car has been completely transformed! ...and that's on stock intake, stock intercooler and stock software!

3. PERFORMANCE:

It is definitely too early to make any claims whatsoever. What I can tell you for sure is that one can definitely feel the engine being much more lively and responsive, especially in mid to high RPMs. The butt dyno says that the car is running better for sure! Keep in mind, my car is completely stock otherwise!

If you are trying to make a decision what exhaust and downpipe combo to get, look no further. Simply put, AE Performance Exhaust + AR Design catless downpipes is perhaps the best thing you can spend money on!

Finally,
BIG, BIG Thanks to VSMotorsports for doing a proper, professional install!

Vasil

nood1es · 06-23-2010, 07:11 PM

u mind telling me how much they charged for dp install?

jpsimon · 06-23-2010, 07:16 PM

nice writeup! you'll love that AE exhaust more and more each day!

vasillalov · 06-23-2010, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nood1es

u mind telling me how much they charged for dp install?

They normally charge $90.00 per hour but they run specials depending on the month and day of the week. I was quoted 4 hours for both the exhaust and the downpipe install. They fit perfectly within the quote.

I suggest you give them a call and set up an appointment. Their work is great!

Daya · 06-23-2010, 08:02 PM

congrats! i would love to hear that in person some day

import36 · 06-23-2010, 08:05 PM

+7738734376380734

i love the sound of this combo...

nafoo · 06-23-2010, 08:05 PM

Posts like this makes me reconsider getting the HKS over AE.

vasillalov · 06-23-2010, 09:03 PM

I'll take some videos very soon.

Rockstarr · 06-23-2010, 09:35 PM

Any drone and do you have a MT?

mkPOTO · 06-23-2010, 09:45 PM

yes video please

Enicinitas · 06-23-2010, 10:02 PM

I'm so stoked to hear your review, Thanks bro! I just got my AR CL dps today, I'm also waiting for the HFC cats for my AE exhaust to come in. After that it's just the Helix FMIC and I'll be set... (still deciding on PROcede vs. GIAC too). Anyway, I'm pumped! THX!

boostd92 · 06-23-2010, 10:04 PM

+1 for VS Motorsports. They buy all their OEM parts from me

We have a grizzly old tech that's been with our dealership for over 25 years and runs our performance division. He's an amazing wealth of information and experience, especially in setting up road course cars, precision alignment, and general performance theory/implementation.

He works with VS all the time, and that alone says a great deal to me.

Chris at VS actually welded up some intercooler pipes for my last project (~400hp MR2 Turbo), and they were nothing short of stunning. I'm not sure if they're buried to their eyeballs in debt, or if they have "old money," or if they won the lottery but the equipment at their shop is STATE OF THE ART. Makes our dealership look like a Car-X.

ericsmc83 · 06-23-2010, 10:49 PM

+1 I love this combo as well. Everything you've described with your experience is spot on. DP install took barely 2 hours.

One other thing I like is how at idle, the exhaust tone, although deep, sounds so tame and laid back. But when you stomp down, it really screams and all those induction sounds are completely unrestricted.

I need to get some new vids of this combo.

mkPOTO · 06-23-2010, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boostd92

+1 for VS Motorsports. They buy all their OEM parts from me

We have a grizzly old tech that's been with our dealership for over 25 years and runs our performance division. He's an amazing wealth of information and experience, especially in setting up road course cars, precision alignment, and general performance theory/implementation.

He works with VS all the time, and that alone says a great deal to me.

Chris at VS actually welded up some intercooler pipes for my last project (~400hp MR2 Turbo), and they were nothing short of stunning. I'm not sure if they're buried to their eyeballs in debt, or if they have "old money," or if they won the lottery but the equipment at their shop is STATE OF THE ART. Makes our dealership look like a Car-X.

You talking about al he's awesome

vasillalov · 06-24-2010, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstarr

Any drone and do you have a MT?

Manual transmission. There is a hint of a drone at cruising ONLY under 2000 rmps. Anything above 2100 rpms simply gives you stock like sound levels for cruising.

Stomp on the gas pedal and you will awaken the demons that are hiding under the bonnet! LOL

Sniz · 06-24-2010, 08:38 AM

time for a tune!

blankstar43 · 06-24-2010, 08:50 AM

just got my exhaust in the mail yesterday and now im just waiting on my DPs

Alexander · 06-24-2010, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkPOTO

yes video please

+1000

ar design · 06-24-2010, 11:43 AM

Awesome

WolfeS2K · 06-24-2010, 05:44 PM

This is def. the combo I want to run!

Thanks

nood1es · 06-24-2010, 06:02 PM

I'll def give em a call if they can do dp install for the low.

rbaldwin28 · 06-25-2010, 02:19 AM

+1 on the AE exhaust no drone and when you want it to be quiet as a mouse I just bump the stick to Drive. I have an auto and stock downpipes but when running my tune I set off car alarms quite often. Even my neighbors comment that the first time they heard me fire my car up that it grumbles power. Down shifts make me grin when rolling up to stop lights.

06-23-2010, 07:09 PM	#1
vasillalov Mad Linux Guru On The Loose 1195 Rep 5,455 Posts Drives: 2008 335i Sedan, 2023 M3 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL iTrader: (5) Garage List 2023 BMW M3 [0.00] 2008 335i E90 [8.00]	AE Performance + AR Design = Magic Combo So I've been stock piling mods for my 335i in my living room. It got so bad that I was running out of space in my apartment so I thought today was a good day to get some of the mods installed. Unfortunately, I've also realized that I've gotten to lazy and spoiled to crawl under the car and do my own install. So I took my car to VSMotorsports which is a local Chicagoland race shop. Almost everyone who owns a BMW knows about them as their work is top notch. VSMotorsports installed AE Performance catless exhaust and the AR Design catless downpipes. I've already been running the BMS O2 simulator for over 2 weeks now. The install went smoothly and the guys were kind enough to cut my OEM exhaust into two pieces so that it will fit in the car. Let me share some of my first experiences with this combo: 1. FITMENT OF PARTS: I cannot stress how well both products are designed. It also looks like the downpipes and the exhaust were made by the same person for my car. The grade of materials used both in the downpipes and the exhaust are top notch. Everything fit nicely and nothing had to be modified or adjusted. It all bolted right up and it fit nicely and snugly! Simply perfect execution on the manufacturing of the downpipes and the exhaust. Even the guys at VSMotorsports noted that this is the first time they have installed exhausts and downpipes that fitted so well right out of the bat! 2. SOUND EXPERIENCE: Going from completely stock to fully catless on the first install caught me by surprise. When the car was started for the very first time after the install it sounded like a big grizzly bear has been awaken from a winter's sleep. After about a minute of idle-ing everything calmed down a bit and the exhaust system established a nice tone which was not rude or annoying, but definitely reminded everyone that: "Hey I am here and don't mess with me" . Lets not forget the turbo sounds! OMG! Totally intoxicating. I can hear the two snails twisting and whistling at each other at partial and full throttle. Let off the gas pedal and you can hear the DVs working too. I must say that the soundtrack of the car has been completely transformed! ...and that's on stock intake, stock intercooler and stock software! 3. PERFORMANCE: It is definitely too early to make any claims whatsoever. What I can tell you for sure is that one can definitely feel the engine being much more lively and responsive, especially in mid to high RPMs. The butt dyno says that the car is running better for sure! Keep in mind, my car is completely stock otherwise! If you are trying to make a decision what exhaust and downpipe combo to get, look no further. Simply put, AE Performance Exhaust + AR Design catless downpipes is perhaps the best thing you can spend money on! Finally, BIG, BIG Thanks to VSMotorsports for doing a proper, professional install! Vasil
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nood1es Captain 31 Rep 673 Posts Drives: E70 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Madison, WI iTrader: (10)	u mind telling me how much they charged for dp install?
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jpsimon Team Zissou 3154 Rep 10,200 Posts Drives: 2022 AWD M3 Comp - SMB Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: CT iTrader: (7)	nice writeup! you'll love that AE exhaust more and more each day!
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Daya Lieutenant Colonel 203 Rep 1,741 Posts Drives: e92 335 space gray/coral red Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago iTrader: (1) Garage List 2007 E92 335 [9.66]	congrats! i would love to hear that in person some day __________________ GIAC S2 \| Brembo GT BBK 355/345 \| BBS CH-R \| Michelin Pilot Super Sports \| AR Design: DP, S1 Oil Cooler, OCC \| AMS FMIC \| Bastuck Quad Exhaust \| Borla MP \| KW V1 \| Stett: CAI, CP \| Forge DV \| P3 Boost Gauge \| Arkym: Front Lip, Rear Quad Diffuser \| Vorsteiner CSL Trunk \| LUX H8 \| ModMyNav \| MFD M3 Sideskirts \| BMW M-Tech Front/Rear Bumpers, Edition Grills
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import36 Burrito bowl connoisseur 133 Rep 3,501 Posts Drives: 2015 Nissan GTR Black Edition Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Seven Cities iTrader: (1)	+7738734376380734 i love the sound of this combo...
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nafoo Major 48 Rep 1,145 Posts Drives: Boosted Bimmer Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Earth iTrader: (15)	Posts like this makes me reconsider getting the HKS over AE.
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vasillalov Mad Linux Guru On The Loose 1195 Rep 5,455 Posts Drives: 2008 335i Sedan, 2023 M3 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL iTrader: (5) Garage List 2023 BMW M3 [0.00] 2008 335i E90 [8.00]	I'll take some videos very soon.
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Rockstarr Private 4 Rep 79 Posts Drives: 2020 F33 440ix Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NJ iTrader: (2)	Any drone and do you have a MT?
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Enicinitas First Lieutenant 13 Rep 322 Posts Drives: Gray Coupe Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Left Coast iTrader: (8)	I'm so stoked to hear your review, Thanks bro! I just got my AR CL dps today, I'm also waiting for the HFC cats for my AE exhaust to come in. After that it's just the Helix FMIC and I'll be set... (still deciding on PROcede vs. GIAC too). Anyway, I'm pumped! THX!
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boostd92 Captain 63 Rep 762 Posts Drives: '11 E92 M-Sport Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago, IL iTrader: (1) Garage List 2011 BMW 335i M-Spo ... [7.26]	+1 for VS Motorsports. They buy all their OEM parts from me We have a grizzly old tech that's been with our dealership for over 25 years and runs our performance division. He's an amazing wealth of information and experience, especially in setting up road course cars, precision alignment, and general performance theory/implementation. He works with VS all the time, and that alone says a great deal to me. Chris at VS actually welded up some intercooler pipes for my last project (~400hp MR2 Turbo), and they were nothing short of stunning. I'm not sure if they're buried to their eyeballs in debt, or if they have "old money," or if they won the lottery but the equipment at their shop is STATE OF THE ART. Makes our dealership look like a Car-X.
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06-23-2010, 10:49 PM	#13
ericsmc83 Captain 66 Rep 986 Posts Drives: 08 E92 335i MT Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Las Vegas, NV iTrader: (9)	+1 I love this combo as well. Everything you've described with your experience is spot on. DP install took barely 2 hours. One other thing I like is how at idle, the exhaust tone, although deep, sounds so tame and laid back. But when you stomp down, it really screams and all those induction sounds are completely unrestricted. I need to get some new vids of this combo. __________________ 2008 E92 MT \| VTT Stage 2+ 20T \| VTT Inlets \| JB4 MHD E85 \| Fuel-It Stage 3 LPFP w/FPR and Return \| BMS PI \| AR DP \| AE Quad Exhaust \| Helix FMIC \| ER CP \| Tial BOV \| DCI \| AR OCC \| Spec Stage 3+ \| SMFW
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Sniz Lieutenant General 680 Rep 10,584 Posts Drives: e92 335 - gone // e36 M3 turbo Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ellicott City, MD iTrader: (1)	time for a tune! __________________
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blankstar43 Lieutenant 55 Rep 596 Posts Drives: 2012 e92 M3 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Neverland iTrader: (3)	just got my exhaust in the mail yesterday and now im just waiting on my DPs
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ar design 302 Rep 4,408 Posts Drives: 04 M3 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Denver, CO iTrader: (9)	Awesome
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WolfeS2K Second Lieutenant 32 Rep 266 Posts Drives: E92 Interlagos Blue M3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USA iTrader: (10)	This is def. the combo I want to run! Thanks __________________ ^Welcome to the China Club^ says the Bartender
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nood1es Captain 31 Rep 673 Posts Drives: E70 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Madison, WI iTrader: (10)	I'll def give em a call if they can do dp install for the low.
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rbaldwin28 Lieutenant 15 Rep 408 Posts Drives: E92 335i Sport Prem. White Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Carlsbad CA and San Diego CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 335I [0.00]	+1 on the AE exhaust no drone and when you want it to be quiet as a mouse I just bump the stick to Drive. I have an auto and stock downpipes but when running my tune I set off car alarms quite often. Even my neighbors comment that the first time they heard me fire my car up that it grumbles power. Down shifts make me grin when rolling up to stop lights.
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