Daily Driver

2008E90TT · 06-25-2010, 11:03 AM

I recently picked up a 2008 335i sedan and would like to get it tuned. I also drive 20k+ miles per year and don't want to do anything too aggressive that will sacrifice reliability.

I am familiar with the PROcede and the BMS JB3. There is also a local shop that does a factory ECU reflash which offers a ~60whp gain.

As far as the piggy-back options go, the JB3 is much cheaper, but the PROcede seems to be a better product. This is not based on anything more than 20 minutes of research, but it seems like the PROcede monitors more engine parameters which would presumably reduce the chance of failure. Is it worth the price premium?

With the piggy-back units, do I still need to get it tuned at a shop to ensure air/fuel ratios, etc are correct? Or, is it truly plug-and-play?

The factory ECU flash would be the easiest for me, but there's really no flexibility. Would I need to get it reflashed if I decide to go with an aftermarket intake, exhaust, or FMIC in the future or does it adjust automatically?

I also try to look at resale potential when modding. While the piggy-back units can be resold, the ECU flash is intangible and I won't be able to recoup any money from it. It doesn't quite match the power gains of the JB3 and PROcede, either.

Thanks in advance for any insight you can offer.

kjrulz · 06-25-2010, 11:09 AM

yes

D.B.S · 06-25-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kjrulz

yes

LOL... That's providing insight...

Speaking from PROcede experience, the tune is pretty much plug and play... You can still go in yourself and change the way the tune acts, but with the introduction of auto-tune, you pretty much don't need to do anything but enjoy the ride...

As for JB3, never touched it, can't offer any insight on it... Maybe a JB3 owner will chime in

Diggy Diggy · 06-25-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kjrulz

yes

This man speaks the truth.

e.n335 · 06-25-2010, 11:33 AM

The car's ECU is able to adapt to bolt-ons quite well. I provide you names like AA, BMW, CP-E, Dinan, Evolve, Evotech, Giac, JB3, PROcede ( in alphabetical order ). There are many others as well. Do your research properly and start with a boost gauge.

Before I forget - yes

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yandy · 06-25-2010, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kjrulz

yes

+1

pyceasyas123 · 06-25-2010, 11:39 AM

jb3 is also a true plug and play. i use it on map 3 as a daily driver. works fine for me. proceed has some additional features and programming options but for a daily driver most people probably wont touch those.

almost forgot - yes...

kjrulz · 06-25-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 2008E90TT

...it seems like the PROcede monitors more engine parameters which would presumably reduce the chance of failure. Is it worth the price premium?

...is it truly plug-and-play?

The factory ECU flash would be the easiest for me, but there's really no flexibility. Would I need to get it reflashed if I decide to go with an aftermarket intake, exhaust, or FMIC in the future or does it adjust automatically?

yes

BrianMN · 06-25-2010, 11:49 AM

How I see it is, as I've been a happy JB3 customer for a year and recently got the PRocede: If you're going to keep the car stock, and not car to do any custom tuning, and just have a bump in power, then the JB3 will do a good job for your needs.

If there's even an inkling that you'll do all the basic mods (which is likely once you start going), then you'll probably wish you had the extra sophistication the Procede has. It has the platform to get you high hp safely, with intelligent means to go further with Meth and even N2O. All in all, it can do everything you want it to do, and everything that you need it to do.

Sal Collaziano · 06-25-2010, 11:51 AM

I feel your best bet is a piggy back tune since it's very easy to install and uninstall for dealer visits. I don't know if they're just rumors but I "hear" the "flashes" can be detected easier - something to do with boost being saved in a computer as much higher than normal - where a piggyback tune simply fools the ECU into believing it's not running higher at all. Someone may correct me on all of this.

In regards to the JB3 and Proceed - here are my OPINIONS...

I believe the Proceed is more expensive mainly because it's a bit more technologically advanced. Buying a Proceed is like being the first one in your area with the newly restyled car. With the Hyundai Genesis, there was (and still is in some places) a $5000.00 markup. This is the cost to be one of the first to own "the new thing" with the new bells and whistles...

The JB3 always seems a bit further behind the curve in regards to development - and as far as I'm concerned, that's why it's less expensive.

If you want to save money, buy the JB3. It'll eventually be updated where you can spend a negligible amount of money on an update that brings it closer to the advancement of the Proceed - or possibly just download a software update for free.

If you want the best, right now, buy the Proceed.

That's the way I see it. When all is said and done, however - I don't think you're going to notice much of a difference in performance with either of these piggybacks.. Some people say the latest JB3 2.0 delivers smoother power than the 1.4 did. I don't notice the difference.

I run a JB3 2.0 on map 5 with a dual cone intake - that's it. It's my daily driver, it performs very well (my first ever drag strip race (JB3 1.4) got me a 12.99 in the quarter mile) and drives as smooth as stock as far as I can tell.

Bakeme521 · 06-25-2010, 11:51 AM

I'm kind of in the same situation as you, and I have been looking at the JB+. It seems to be a low end tune that throws no tuner codes and is truly plugnplay. For 280 bucks you can't beat it. As for reflash goes, if you plan on taking it in for warranty issues I would advise not doing that, I would get something plugnplay. I know the JB+ doesn't give you insane amounts of power, but with other bolt ons it can produce a good amount and it keeps reliability in mind.

oh and yes

e.n335 · 06-25-2010, 11:55 AM

Seriously - there are many ways to increase performance reliable on the 335i. All of them have pro's and con's. It comes down to your objectives, what you want to achieve.

360 chp reliable car ? 500 chp reliable car ? What is your budget ?

ETS Michael · 06-25-2010, 12:01 PM

Why would you ever have to take the car to the dealer

You act like the N54 always has to go in for warranty repair. haha.

Someday I might actually see my car. Paid for a 335i and I drive a 328xi loaner car. lol.

oh.. and YES!

e.n335 · 06-25-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ETS Michael

Why would you ever have to take the car to the dealer

You act like the N54 always has to go in for warranty repair. haha.

Someday I might actually see my car. Paid for a 335i and I drive a 328xi loaner car. lol.

oh.. and YES!

High pressure fuel pump, injectors, wastegates, vanos solenoids, software updates. Stock. Welcome

.

Yes

AltecBX · 06-25-2010, 12:07 PM

No.

Just kidding, YES.

ETS Michael · 06-25-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by e.n335

High pressure fuel pump, injectors, wastegates, vanos solenoids, software updates. Stock. Welcome

.

Yes

Exactly what mine is in for

That was a joke btw

YES!

M II · 06-25-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 2008E90TT

I recently picked up a 2008 335i sedan and would like to get it tuned. I also drive 20k+ miles per year and don't want to do anything too aggressive that will sacrifice reliability.

I am familiar with the PROcede and the BMS JB3. There is also a local shop that does a factory ECU reflash which offers a ~60whp gain.

As far as the piggy-back options go, the JB3 is much cheaper, but the PROcede seems to be a better product. This is not based on anything more than 20 minutes of research, but it seems like the PROcede monitors more engine parameters which would presumably reduce the chance of failure. Is it worth the price premium?

With the piggy-back units, do I still need to get it tuned at a shop to ensure air/fuel ratios, etc are correct? Or, is it truly plug-and-play?

The factory ECU flash would be the easiest for me, but there's really no flexibility. Would I need to get it reflashed if I decide to go with an aftermarket intake, exhaust, or FMIC in the future or does it adjust automatically?

I also try to look at resale potential when modding. While the piggy-back units can be resold, the ECU flash is intangible and I won't be able to recoup any money from it. It doesn't quite match the power gains of the JB3 and PROcede, either.

Thanks in advance for any insight you can offer.

The best option and the most user-friendly option for you is the BMS JB3! It has a proven track record for delivering the most power and it's completely removable from the vehicle.

Pair it up with a Bavarian Technic Cable and you can read and REALLY know what's going on with your BMW!

mwahlert · 06-25-2010, 12:25 PM

just buy a procede and get it over with.

Jed · 06-25-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by **********s II

The best option and the most user-friendly option for you is the BMS JB3! It has a proven track record for delivering the most power and it's completely removable from the vehicle.

Pair it up with a Bavarian Technic Cable and you can read and REALLY know what's going on with your BMW!

And if you act now, now only will you get that, but we will also throw in 10 Shamwows and a 2 Slapchops for free!

But act now because this offer will soon be gone!!!

onefastman · 06-25-2010, 01:19 PM

Im a jb3 user and use map7-9 daily. very happy with it but the v4 with auto tune catches my curiousity.

5soko · 06-25-2010, 01:25 PM

Jb3 on map 7 with pump gas everyday, and it is really a perfect daily driver.. Been running the JB3 for 3 years for a daily driver and honestly normal driving cant tell the difference between stock and JB3 around town. But when you put your foot down JB3 has that monster power. Very easy to use and dont have to mess with.

chiaobaby · 06-25-2010, 01:27 PM

do the math use the product that has the best dollar to horsepower ratio . Spend less more money in your wallet.

06-25-2010, 11:03 AM	#1
2008E90TT Private 13 Rep 71 Posts Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Texas iTrader: (1)	Daily Driver - Tune Options I recently picked up a 2008 335i sedan and would like to get it tuned. I also drive 20k+ miles per year and don't want to do anything too aggressive that will sacrifice reliability. I am familiar with the PROcede and the BMS JB3. There is also a local shop that does a factory ECU reflash which offers a ~60whp gain. As far as the piggy-back options go, the JB3 is much cheaper, but the PROcede seems to be a better product. This is not based on anything more than 20 minutes of research, but it seems like the PROcede monitors more engine parameters which would presumably reduce the chance of failure. Is it worth the price premium? With the piggy-back units, do I still need to get it tuned at a shop to ensure air/fuel ratios, etc are correct? Or, is it truly plug-and-play? The factory ECU flash would be the easiest for me, but there's really no flexibility. Would I need to get it reflashed if I decide to go with an aftermarket intake, exhaust, or FMIC in the future or does it adjust automatically? I also try to look at resale potential when modding. While the piggy-back units can be resold, the ECU flash is intangible and I won't be able to recoup any money from it. It doesn't quite match the power gains of the JB3 and PROcede, either. Thanks in advance for any insight you can offer.
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06-25-2010, 11:33 AM	#5
e.n335 Moderator 281 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	The car's ECU is able to adapt to bolt-ons quite well. I provide you names like AA, BMW, CP-E, Dinan, Evolve, Evotech, Giac, JB3, PROcede ( in alphabetical order ). There are many others as well. Do your research properly and start with a boost gauge. Before I forget - yes .
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pyceasyas123 Major 398 Rep 1,242 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Toronto iTrader: (13)	jb3 is also a true plug and play. i use it on map 3 as a daily driver. works fine for me. proceed has some additional features and programming options but for a daily driver most people probably wont touch those. almost forgot - yes... Last edited by pyceasyas123; 06-25-2010 at 11:44 AM..
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BrianMN Banned 117 Rep 2,428 Posts Drives: 4 Door Family Sedan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Minneapolis iTrader: (7)	How I see it is, as I've been a happy JB3 customer for a year and recently got the PRocede: If you're going to keep the car stock, and not car to do any custom tuning, and just have a bump in power, then the JB3 will do a good job for your needs. If there's even an inkling that you'll do all the basic mods (which is likely once you start going), then you'll probably wish you had the extra sophistication the Procede has. It has the platform to get you high hp safely, with intelligent means to go further with Meth and even N2O. All in all, it can do everything you want it to do, and everything that you need it to do.
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06-25-2010, 11:51 AM	#10
Sal Collaziano Lieutenant 60 Rep 424 Posts Drives: 2015 BMW X5 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Royal Palm Beach, Florida iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 335i [0.00]	I feel your best bet is a piggy back tune since it's very easy to install and uninstall for dealer visits. I don't know if they're just rumors but I "hear" the "flashes" can be detected easier - something to do with boost being saved in a computer as much higher than normal - where a piggyback tune simply fools the ECU into believing it's not running higher at all. Someone may correct me on all of this. In regards to the JB3 and Proceed - here are my OPINIONS... I believe the Proceed is more expensive mainly because it's a bit more technologically advanced. Buying a Proceed is like being the first one in your area with the newly restyled car. With the Hyundai Genesis, there was (and still is in some places) a $5000.00 markup. This is the cost to be one of the first to own "the new thing" with the new bells and whistles... The JB3 always seems a bit further behind the curve in regards to development - and as far as I'm concerned, that's why it's less expensive. If you want to save money, buy the JB3. It'll eventually be updated where you can spend a negligible amount of money on an update that brings it closer to the advancement of the Proceed - or possibly just download a software update for free. If you want the best, right now, buy the Proceed. That's the way I see it. When all is said and done, however - I don't think you're going to notice much of a difference in performance with either of these piggybacks.. Some people say the latest JB3 2.0 delivers smoother power than the 1.4 did. I don't notice the difference. I run a JB3 2.0 on map 5 with a dual cone intake - that's it. It's my daily driver, it performs very well (my first ever drag strip race (JB3 1.4) got me a 12.99 in the quarter mile) and drives as smooth as stock as far as I can tell. __________________ Sal Collaziano Stinger Forum
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Bakeme521 Some say... 251 Rep 4,296 Posts Drives: Fresh Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Baton Rouge n NOLA iTrader: (12) Garage List 2007 BMW 335i [8.24]	I'm kind of in the same situation as you, and I have been looking at the JB+. It seems to be a low end tune that throws no tuner codes and is truly plugnplay. For 280 bucks you can't beat it. As for reflash goes, if you plan on taking it in for warranty issues I would advise not doing that, I would get something plugnplay. I know the JB+ doesn't give you insane amounts of power, but with other bolt ons it can produce a good amount and it keeps reliability in mind. oh and yes __________________ I have exhaust and an intake...
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e.n335 Moderator 281 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	Seriously - there are many ways to increase performance reliable on the 335i. All of them have pro's and con's. It comes down to your objectives, what you want to achieve. 360 chp reliable car ? 500 chp reliable car ? What is your budget ?
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06-25-2010, 12:01 PM	#13
ETS Michael Major 80 Rep 1,155 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, WA iTrader: (4)	Why would you ever have to take the car to the dealer You act like the N54 always has to go in for warranty repair. haha. Someday I might actually see my car. Paid for a 335i and I drive a 328xi loaner car. lol. oh.. and YES!
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AltecBX Colonel 336 Rep 2,663 Posts Drives: BMW 335xi Sedan; BMW M3 ZCP Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NYC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 BMW M3 ZCP [0.00] 2007 BMW 335Xi [0.00]	No. Just kidding, YES. __________________ 335xi Sedan 6AT \| Weather(70-85°F) \| N54 Tune Comparison Chart \|\| N54 Turbo Upgrade Comparison Chart -PROcede Rev. 2.5 ~ v5 (3/17 maps) / JB4 (8/21 maps) / COBB (Stg2+FMIC LT Aggressive maps) †Procede Map2(UT 45 - IGN 40) Aggression Target 2.0 \| 0-60 in 4.0sec \|\| †Cobb E30 LT (35% Ethanol/65% 93 Octane) \| 0-60 in 3.9sec AR Design Catless DP \| BMS DCI + OCC \| ETS 5 FMIC \| Alpina B3 Trans Flash \|235/265 19" Michelin PSS
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mwahlert Lieutenant Colonel 97 Rep 1,659 Posts Drives: 2009 335i Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NC iTrader: (8)	just buy a procede and get it over with.
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onefastman Major General 163 Rep 5,689 Posts Drives: 2009 135i 2011 e92m dct Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Earth iTrader: (15)	Im a jb3 user and use map7-9 daily. very happy with it but the v4 with auto tune catches my curiousity. __________________ Legal Disclaimer: Anything I or anyone else says about my vehicle on this website(1addicts.com or any affiliated or nonaffiliated sites), pertaining to modifications, is only to gain acceptance from my/our peers, and does not actually represent anything actually existing on my car, and thus, cannot be held against me in any issues, i.e. warranty claims, that may arise.
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5soko Brigadier General 350 Rep 4,633 Posts Drives: M5 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY iTrader: (4)	Jb3 on map 7 with pump gas everyday, and it is really a perfect daily driver.. Been running the JB3 for 3 years for a daily driver and honestly normal driving cant tell the difference between stock and JB3 around town. But when you put your foot down JB3 has that monster power. Very easy to use and dont have to mess with.
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06-25-2010, 01:27 PM	#22
chiaobaby First Lieutenant 9 Rep 332 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: NYC iTrader: (7)	do the math use the product that has the best dollar to horsepower ratio . Spend less more money in your wallet.
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