335i- Professional driving on the track.

Panoz · 12-20-2006, 10:04 AM

Well people, I hope you find this post Interesting.

Before the end of each calendar year, one of the biggest car magazines in the country ,is gathering the "elite" cars of the season and they are putting them on the track against each other as well against the lap times that the previous years-cars-made.

This year was, no doubt, the year of the 335i. The lap times of 335i was superior than the SLK 55 AMG ,Z4 M & RS4 while they made exactly the same time with Cayman S.
That proves that despite the fact other cars are quicker (on road) than 335i ,the total "set-up" & balance of the 335i allows it to perform amazing track times.

The picture below is in "Greek" but i'm certain you can get the point.

I will make additional posts on this with pictures and other additional comments.
Please drop a line and let me know what you think

sdiver68 · 12-20-2006, 10:14 AM

Wow, for all intents and purposes, even on a track going for best lap times, 335 = M3, RS4, and Cayman S.

In the bang for the buck category, interior and stlying notwithstanding, EVO's and STI's are awesome.

Thanks for the scan!

Panoz · 12-20-2006, 10:24 AM

Yeap...everyone admited that the 335i was the absolute star of this year's run.

Find a picture below from our beloved 335i during the tests.

aris214 · 12-20-2006, 11:35 AM

very nice

bronco · 12-20-2006, 12:02 PM

this just proves how fast the 2005 Corvette is...but it only has 2 seats

Panoz · 12-20-2006, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco

this just proves how fast the 2005 Corvette is...but it only has 2 seats

LOL is this the only thing you noticed from this topic?

bronco · 12-20-2006, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Panoz

LOL is this the only thing you noticed from this topic?

Noticed that you used a cheap highlighter too

Panoz · 12-20-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco

Noticed that you used a cheap highlighter too

nope...that was cheap photoshop

Just_me · 12-20-2006, 01:47 PM

did the same driver drive all these cars? what was his impressions about 335i, M5 and Rs4?
whats the name of the track?

why are they driving cars from year 2004 and 2002 and so on?

sstarch1 · 12-20-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Panoz

Yeap...everyone admited that the 335i was the absolute star of this year's run.

Find a picture below from our beloved 335i during the tests.

Thats an AWESOME picture!

hemi to e90 · 12-20-2006, 02:41 PM

only .1s slower than an SMG m3

wow

shimshimhada · 12-20-2006, 02:43 PM

Lies. I need to see the track layout and know if it was all the same driver or not. In addition, I need to know if the "professional" was a professional car magazine writer.

I refuse to believe that the M coupe and the EVOVIII lost to the 335i on a track.

Panoz · 12-20-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Just_me

did the same driver drive all these cars? what was his impressions about 335i, M5 and Rs4?
whats the name of the track?

why are they driving cars from year 2004 and 2002 and so on?

On the specific categories you see on the above list..they are something like 2 or 3 drivers that drives 2-3 laps per car and they keep for the record the best one(there were also some "lower" categories with different drivers -10 in total).

Those guys has racing background and they are journalists as well (how bad could they be??) . The fact that companies like Ferrari ,Porsche,Mercentes & BMW are giving them their cars to do such a thing/comparison, means that they do it in the right way and they are the best people to do that.

As for the years...this event happens once per year so they included to the records the cars that raced/tested on previous years.

I have also a full detailed map of the track but I'm out of scanner now...I will post it later.

I promise...

Panoz · 12-20-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shimshimhada

Lies. I need to see the track layout and know if it was all the same driver or not. In addition, I need to know if the "professional" was a professional car magazine writer.

I refuse to believe that the M coupe and the EVOVIII lost to the 335i on a track.

Shimhada...like it or not ...yes they are professional drivers & professional magazine writters (journalists) with racing background.

The M coupe lost to the 335 not because its less quick but due to its different set-up as a car and less stability. The same goes to EVOIII.
Just think about the RS4!! Its a 4wd car with 420Hp and then again it performes slower than Cayenne that is less than 300Hp !!!

This is the beauty of the track my friend...the whole set-up of the car is important for the lap times.

If we were talking about drag-race ,then yes the Cayenne,RS4 ,EVOIII ,M coupe would be quicker than 335...But that was not a drag-race.

Panoz · 12-20-2006, 03:04 PM

Guys...please also take note that the 335 of the test was automatic (with paddles). The driver commented after the laps that if it was "manual" the times would be even better.

shimshimhada · 12-20-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Panoz

Shimhada...like it or not ...yes they are professional drivers & professional magazine writters (journalists) with racing background.

The M coupe lost to the 335 not because its less quick but due to its different set-up as a car and less stability. The same goes to EVOIII.
Just think about the RS4!! Its a 4wd car with 420Hp and then again its lower than Cayenne that is less than 300Hp !!!

This is the beauty of the track my friend...the whole set-up of the car is important for the time.

If we were talking about drag-race ,then yes the Cayenne,RS4 ,EVOIII ,M coupe would be quicker than 335...But that was not a drag-race.

That's what doesn't make sense. Both the M coupe and EVOVIII are stiffer, lighter, and have better suspension components than the 335.

I'm well aware that it's not a drag-race. If it were a drag-racing situation, I could see the 335i possibly ousting those two.

2007/335i/coupe · 12-20-2006, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by shimshimhada

That's what doesn't make sense. Both the M coupe and EVOVIII are stiffer, lighter, and have better suspension components than the 335.

I'm well aware that it's not a drag-race. If it were a drag-racing situation, I could see the 335i possibly ousting those two.

Every track has specific characteristics and therefore specific tuning. Just having stiffer or "better" suspension components does not always equal a fast lap time. A good example would be a track with a lot of uneven or slightly rough pavement. A stiff car with improper dampening can bounce around and not achieve maximum traction losing valuable time verses a car with better dampening will absorb the impact better. Also, take into account a cars' camber and toe angles, this plays an important factor in road racing and maximum corning ability.

sdiver68 · 12-20-2006, 04:42 PM

That's why I love the track. All the benchracing BS goes out the window and it's just you and your recorded times and if racing, where you finished.

bronco · 12-20-2006, 04:43 PM

Didnt the M3 had a LSD also?

SROC3 · 12-20-2006, 08:53 PM

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!! Go 335i!!!!!!! Yeah!@@#$#@#@$%#!

Turbo Squid · 12-20-2006, 09:13 PM

That's pretty sweet. I wanna see more results on more tracks.

shimshimhada · 12-20-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 2007/335i/coupe

Every track has specific characteristics and therefore specific tuning. Just having stiffer or "better" suspension components does not always equal a fast lap time. A good example would be a track with a lot of uneven or slightly rough pavement. A stiff car with improper dampening can bounce around and not achieve maximum traction losing valuable time verses a car with better dampening will absorb the impact better. Also, take into account a cars' camber and toe angles, this plays an important factor in road racing and maximum corning ability.

You mean a course like the Nurburgring?

Also, like bronco mentioned, the M cars have LSDs, which should offer a pretty significant advantage of stability into a corner, and a higher exit speed out of it. Combined with a lighter weight, I really don't see how they would be slower. Both the Evo and the M3 should come with a more aggressive camber setting than the 335i.

But who knows, I have yet to see the track where this was tested. Maybe there is some random sector that causes the 335i to lap quicker times.

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Panoz Lieutenant Colonel 87 Rep 1,575 Posts Drives: E92 Space Grey 335i ,Aero Kit Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: EU iTrader: (0)	335i- Professional driving on the track. Well people, I hope you find this post Interesting. Before the end of each calendar year, one of the biggest car magazines in the country ,is gathering the "elite" cars of the season and they are putting them on the track against each other as well against the lap times that the previous years-cars-made. This year was, no doubt, the year of the 335i. The lap times of 335i was superior than the SLK 55 AMG ,Z4 M & RS4 while they made exactly the same time with Cayman S. That proves that despite the fact other cars are quicker (on road) than 335i ,the total "set-up" & balance of the 335i allows it to perform amazing track times. The picture below is in "Greek" but i'm certain you can get the point. I will make additional posts on this with pictures and other additional comments. Please drop a line and let me know what you think Attached Images __________________ Procede V4 , Catless DPs, Forge FMIC, Injen Intake, VK Oilcooler, Hartge Quads Exhaust, Modded CDV, Synapse BOV Kit, BMW Performance 335i SSK Kit, P3 vent boost gauge Space Grey 335i -> See more pics HERE Last edited by Panoz; 12-20-2006 at 12:47 PM..
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sdiver68 Expert Road Racer 60 Rep 1,329 Posts Drives: 07 335i e90, 09 335i e93 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: St. Louis, MO iTrader: (3)	Wow, for all intents and purposes, even on a track going for best lap times, 335 = M3, RS4, and Cayman S. In the bang for the buck category, interior and stlying notwithstanding, EVO's and STI's are awesome. Thanks for the scan!
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Panoz Lieutenant Colonel 87 Rep 1,575 Posts Drives: E92 Space Grey 335i ,Aero Kit Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: EU iTrader: (0)	Yeap...everyone admited that the 335i was the absolute star of this year's run. Find a picture below from our beloved 335i during the tests. Attached Images __________________ Procede V4 , Catless DPs, Forge FMIC, Injen Intake, VK Oilcooler, Hartge Quads Exhaust, Modded CDV, Synapse BOV Kit, BMW Performance 335i SSK Kit, P3 vent boost gauge Space Grey 335i -> See more pics HERE
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shimshimhada Brigadier General 491 Rep 4,838 Posts Drives: Portal Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portal iTrader: (2)	Lies. I need to see the track layout and know if it was all the same driver or not. In addition, I need to know if the "professional" was a professional car magazine writer. I refuse to believe that the M coupe and the EVOVIII lost to the 335i on a track.
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Panoz Lieutenant Colonel 87 Rep 1,575 Posts Drives: E92 Space Grey 335i ,Aero Kit Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: EU iTrader: (0)	Guys...please also take note that the 335 of the test was automatic (with paddles). The driver commented after the laps that if it was "manual" the times would be even better. __________________ Procede V4 , Catless DPs, Forge FMIC, Injen Intake, VK Oilcooler, Hartge Quads Exhaust, Modded CDV, Synapse BOV Kit, BMW Performance 335i SSK Kit, P3 vent boost gauge Space Grey 335i -> See more pics HERE
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