[BMOEW]

Which One do u recommend? The Devil's Own Stage 2 or the Cooling Mist basic kit and Y? Anybody had problems with both?

Thanks Moe

[BoostedCosta]

i have the devils own basic kit and i have yet to hve a problem
it works flawlessly

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

I think the more comparable solution would be the DO stage 2 to the CM VC2 kit without the flow sensor. I run the VC-2 kit on my car with the integrated 1.5G Tank and I really like it. I have a few customers running the CM basic kit and they love it, but I usually recommend getting a controller of some sort like the CMGS or VC-2.

Mike

[Bavarian E92]

how does Snow Performance's kit compare?

[BMOEW]

but ur also lookin in investing an extra 200-300$ for CM VC2

[Clap135]

DO Kit hands down. The cm tank has major issues that requires custom work that doesnt always work and results in air bubbles. The CM kit is also extremely expensive compared to the DO kit. The cm kit also has horrible check valve placement, so when incase your line has a leak, you now also have a boost leak ontop of the meth leak. If you are running a procede, get the basic DO kit and the labonte failsafe for the same price as a basic CM kit. I own the DO kit and have had zero issues. My buddy got the CM kit and so far we had to replace the old nozzles, which got stuck in the bung, the line is completly replaced due to old crap line that was provided with the kit. The boost switch sensor was replaced with more easy to read/dial in METAL boost sensor. And the 1.5 gal tank was replaced with a traditional 4qart tank due to the air bubbles. Technically, its a CM pump, with everything else upgraded.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

^ thats me...

Cm's CMGS is nice..

However from a kit standpoint, I dont like their tank. Constantly got air despite the efforts made to fix it.

At that point, taking the CMGS and other flow sensor gauges from various companies out of the equation and the tank, all other kits are pretty universal at that point.

Pumps are universal, Lines are universal, and DO and CM nozzles despite what either suggest dont seem to have any differences in gains.

Last but not least is the fittings, and again DO wins there with my experience as the CM fittings are simply hard to disconnect despite being a "quick connect", its an "impossible disconnect".


Take that into the equation, I didnt like the CM meth switch either as it didnt have a precise way to dial in boost pressure on/off compared to the DO.

In the end I convereted a CM kit, into a DO kit, running a CM pump, and custom parts.

I think I just answered the question.... although I still like the CMGS gauge even though I dont currently run one.

[Jonny550]

Originally Posted by Clap135

DO Kit hands down. The cm tank has major issues that requires custom work that doesnt always work and results in air bubbles. The CM kit is also extremely expensive compared to the DO kit. The cm kit also has horrible check valve placement, so when incase your line has a leak, you now also have a boost leak ontop of the meth leak. If you are running a procede, get the basic DO kit and the labonte failsafe for the same price as a basic CM kit. I own the DO kit and have had zero issues. My buddy got the CM kit and so far we had to replace the old nozzles, which got stuck in the bung, the line is completly replaced due to old crap line that was provided with the kit. The boost switch sensor was replaced with more easy to read/dial in METAL boost sensor. And the 1.5 gal tank was replaced with a traditional 4qart tank due to the air bubbles. Technically, its a CM pump, with everything else upgraded.

In Cooling mists's defense both basic kits are about the same shipped. Also you pick where you want the checkvalve not CM thats prolly one of the reasons he does not do installs, I cant see why anyone would want to run the CV near the tank and not near the nozzle. On the other hand my cousin has a problem with removing the nozzle from the bung and air bubbles.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Jon335iFL

In Cooling mists's defense both basic kits are about the same shipped. Also you pick where you want the checkvalve not CM thats prolly one of the reasons he does not do installs, I cant see why anyone would want to run the CV near the tank and not near the nozzle. On the other hand my cousin has a problem with removing the nozzle from the bung and air bubbles.

Your cousin has bubbles cause the tank is shit.... and problems removing nozzles because the old nozzles are sh*t. I hear the new nozzles are nice, but I run the $5 DO nozzle flawlessly.

Why do you think I replaced 80% of the kit with DO.

[Clap135]

Actually the basic DO and basic CM kit is not even close in price. Price them both out with a 250 pump. Last time you did that you were paying about 100 dollars more for the cm basic kit due to price of the CRAP 1.5 gallon tank it comes with.

http://www.alcohol-injection.com/uni...stage-1-8.html
240 dollars add 30 bucks or so for a tank. 270
http://www.coolingmist.com/detailmai...0PSIStandardTM
$370. 100 buks more expensive.

Their basic kits with a 250psi pump and regular tank is 300 bucks
150psi pump basic kit, 260....choice should be easy lol.

[pentaxis]

Does the DO kit with labonte failsafe worth with the procede progessive meth settings?

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Their basic kits with a 250psi pump and regular tank is 300 bucks
150psi pump basic kit, 260....choice should be easy lol.

When comparing kits make sure you compare the tanks, as the 1.5G quick mount tank or as you call it the CRAP tank, is an upgraded tank. If you opt for the basic 1G tank its 100.00 less.

The CM basic kit with the 250PSI pump and the basic tank is about 249.00

Mike

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

When comparing kits make sure you compare the tanks, as the 1.5G quick mount tank or as you call it the CRAP tank, is an upgraded tank. If you opt for the basic 1G tank its 100.00 less.

The CM basic kit with the 250PSI pump and the basic tank is about 249.00

Mike

I must have missed it on their website.....link?
http://www.coolingmist.com/detailmai...d=cmstage1tank
looks like 260 bucks and it says nothing about a 250psi pump. So im assuming its a standard 150psi pump

[Sniz]

Aquamist

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by pentaxis

Does the DO kit with labonte failsafe worth with the procede progessive meth settings?

The procede uses the labonte failsafe in the "procede meth kit"

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

When comparing kits make sure you compare the tanks, as the 1.5G quick mount tank or as you call it the CRAP tank, is an upgraded tank. If you opt for the basic 1G tank its 100.00 less.

The CM basic kit with the 250PSI pump and the basic tank is about 249.00

Mike

The fact that this tank is brought up as a upgrade makes me laugh so hard my head hurts.

The tank is JUNK! Downgrade FAIL. Only reason anyone should be emotional about this tank is the fact that it would have blown my car up had the DME not responded to its FAIL design.

[Clap135]

lmao, upgrade.
http://www.alcohol-injection.com/2-5...-tank-346.html
thats an upgrade, and its 1 gal bigger, has baffles and sumps so you don't run into air bubbles unless you have 1 quart left.

[cn555ic]

Lebonte Motorsport/ Snow Performance

[Jonny550]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Your cousin has bubbles cause the tank is shit.... and problems removing nozzles because the old nozzles are sh*t. I hear the new nozzles are nice, but I run the $5 DO nozzle flawlessly.

Why do you think I replaced 80% of the kit with DO.

He's running through the WW tank.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by Clap135

I must have missed it on their website.....link?
http://www.coolingmist.com/detailmai...d=cmstage1tank
looks like 260 bucks and it says nothing about a 250psi pump. So im assuming its a standard 150psi pump

Link here: http://www.burgertuning.com/meth.html

$249 w/ 250psi pump and 1 gallon tank.

Mike

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Definitely some anger in this thread..

Originally Posted by JPSlick

The fact that this tank is brought up as a upgrade makes me laugh so hard my head hurts.

The tank is JUNK! Downgrade FAIL. Only reason anyone should be emotional about this tank is the fact that it would have blown my car up had the DME not responded to its FAIL design.

I am running that tank and I followed the install instructions and it works flawlessly.

Originally Posted by Clap135

The cm tank has major issues that requires custom work that doesnt always work and results in air bubbles.

By custom work you mean following the instructions and installing a pickup tube. Page 4A of the instructions complete with pictures.

After you install the barb fitting into the tank with the drill, remove the fitting by reversing the drill and cut a 7 inch section of hose and insert into the bottom of the fitting just as shown. No glue or tape is required. Now install the fitting by inserting the hose in the tank and tightening the fitting by hand. Once its hand tighten you can use a wrench to completely tighten. This hose is a pickup tap that keeps the system from drawing in air and allows you to use almost the entire tank before filling up. You must install the fitting as below so it goes all the way across the tank. Failure to do this will cause the system to draw air in. The plastic hose will fit in the fitting just like below without any glue. It will stay in place.

Mike

[Jonny550]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Definitely some anger in this thread..



I am running that tank and I followed the install instructions and it works flawlessly.



By custom work you mean following the instructions and installing a pickup tube. Page 4A of the instructions complete with pictures.

After you install the barb fitting into the tank with the drill, remove the fitting by reversing the drill and cut a 7 inch section of hose and insert into the bottom of the fitting just as shown. No glue or tape is required. Now install the fitting by inserting the hose in the tank and tightening the fitting by hand. Once its hand tighten you can use a wrench to completely tighten. This hose is a pickup tap that keeps the system from drawing in air and allows you to use almost the entire tank before filling up. You must install the fitting as below so it goes all the way across the tank. Failure to do this will cause the system to draw air in. The plastic hose will fit in the fitting just like below without any glue. It will stay in place.

Mike

And thats called getting owned^

















Jk lol.