Dealer offer for 335 coupe

Daas · 01-09-2007, 12:23 PM

I live in North Florida. I have tried 3 dealerships around me, and the best I can do so far is $47,000 out the door. This price is for 335 coupe, with metallic paint, sport package, and premium package. The invoice according to KBB for this car with the options I want is $41,615. Here is the breakdown:

$41615 = invoice
2496 = sales tax 6%
44111 = taxable amt

47000 = dealer offer

2888 = dealer profit minus small tag trf fee and nomial county tax.

What do you guys suggest? Thanks.

BMW F22 · 01-09-2007, 12:28 PM

that's pretty high. Im sure you can do better than that. People are getting $1200 over INVOICE right now. It's not that hard. Just take that quote, lower it a few hundreds and send it to another dealer and see if they can beat that. Then take the new quote (hopefully lower) and send it to a different dealership (could b the 1st one) and ask them if they can beat that. Just play games with them and you will save some money. hehehe

beemah · 01-09-2007, 12:48 PM

get the car!!!!

Daas · 01-09-2007, 01:01 PM

It seems like people in CA are getting closer to Invoice than some other states. I'll keep trying...I was hoping not to play games with them.

SpiralOut · 01-09-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWE90

that's pretty high. Im sure you can do better than that. People are getting $1200 over INVOICE right now. It's not that hard. Just take that quote, lower it a few hundreds and send it to another dealer and see if they can beat that. Then take the new quote (hopefully lower) and send it to a different dealership (could b the 1st one) and ask them if they can beat that. Just play games with them and you will save some money. hehehe

That's pretty much the deal I got and I played the e-mail game for a while with a few dealers until all of them said they couldn't beat the last offer that I had.

I think you have more power to negotiate with them on the sedans versus the coupes though.... not sure if you can get a coupe down that much or not.

bonedaddy1977 · 01-09-2007, 02:58 PM

I PM'd you with my info and can probably get you a better deal

wj4 · 01-09-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Saad

It seems like people in CA are getting closer to Invoice than some other states. I'll keep trying...I was hoping not to play games with them.

In Cali, you have a lot of dealerships and they have to remain very competitive. I think the prices on the coupes are stilll going to be higher than the sedans because everyone wants it. I was able to get $900 above invoice on my 335i sedan, but I wouldn't be able to get the same price for the coupe.

wistarf · 01-09-2007, 06:21 PM

That may not be such a bad deal. But to find out, you'll need to do some more homework.

Your invoice price doesn't look right. To give you an idea what you might be missing, here are the invoice prices paid by my dealer for my similarly equipped 335 MT coupe (I assume you were quoted a manual transmission):

Base 37,350
Sport 910
Prem 2,230
Paint 430
Dest 695
MACO 380 (varies by dealer and by state, imposed by BMWNA)
Training Fee 180 (imposed by BMWNA)
---------------------
Total Invoice $42,175

To compare their deal to others you really need to more accurately calculate the true invoice price and then add up *all* taxes, license, doc prep (sometimes negotiable) and registration fees to see how much profit the dealer is actually making. A $1200 dealer profit seems to be a fair deal, in California right now.

Good luck

Daas · 01-09-2007, 08:53 PM

Wistarf,

You are correct. I did not add MACO and Training fee to my invoice price. BTW, what does MACO stand for? Initially, I had calculated...

$2888 dealer profit, so lets subtract
560 maco and training fee
100 tag trf fee (approx)

Dealer profit would be approx $2228, or at least $2000. Oh well, Florida isn't California

Thanks for the input.

TwinT335i · 01-09-2007, 11:23 PM

It seems like prices in North Florida are higher since there is less competition here. I'm in Gainesville, FL, which only has 1 BMW dealer and I've been trying to work out a good deal. I'll let you know how it goes.

jadeddjay · 01-10-2007, 12:16 AM

closest good deal for you would probably be adrian at nalley bmw in decatur ga. he is on vacation rite now so wait till next week and im sure he will give you a deal you cant refuse

and the only fee you really need to pay is destination. everything else is crap.

wistarf · 01-10-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jadeddjay

and the only fee you really need to pay is destination. everything else is crap.

They may be crap, but the dealer *still* has to pay them. It's not dealer profit. BMW NA charges the dealer for the MACO (Marketing and Advertising Co Op) fee, as well as the training fee. These are part of the dealer's invoice price when they buy the car from BMW NA.

Believe me, you will stand a better chance of getting the best possible deal if the dealer realizes that you know your stuff. If you go in there ignorant of these things and start ranting about how these fees are BS, then you'll get little respect and no better deal.

jadeddjay · 01-10-2007, 06:22 PM

thats weird... i got an ED quote from an austin dealer. he told me 1200 over invoice so i asked him what the invoice includes my calculation includes destination only and comes out to xx,xxxx.xx and he emailed me back and said "yea just add 1200 to that and we can call it a deal"

im gonna hit up adrian at nalley bmw to see if i can do any better. i expect that i will

beemah · 01-10-2007, 10:53 PM

get the car!!!!

wistarf · 01-11-2007, 12:16 AM

As I said earlier, not all dealers pay the MACO fees, and the fees vary. It all depends on the dealer's contractual agreement with BMW NA.

However I believe that all dealers have to pay the training fee.

beemah · 01-12-2007, 07:22 PM

get the car!!!!!

Daas · 01-14-2007, 12:46 PM

Beemah, don't know who you are but thanks for the advice...

The damage has been done. Ordered a e92 Sapp Black with Coral Red/Gray Poplar, 6-sp, Sports and Premium Package. $46,700 out the door (including 2 BMW hats, lol). Already got my production number. Getting delivery at PDC sometime in April. Now the wait begins...

ase2dais · 01-14-2007, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Saad

I live in North Florida. I have tried 3 dealerships around me, and the best I can do so far is $47,000 out the door. This price is for 335 coupe, with metallic paint, sport package, and premium package. The invoice according to KBB for this car with the options I want is $41,615. Here is the breakdown:

$41615 = invoice
2496 = sales tax 6%
44111 = taxable amt

47000 = dealer offer

2888 = dealer profit minus small tag trf fee and nomial county tax.

What do you guys suggest? Thanks.

I can get a good used AMG for that amount

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Daas Second Lieutenant 56 Rep 268 Posts Drives: A British car Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Dealer offer for 335 coupe - Accept or Wait? I live in North Florida. I have tried 3 dealerships around me, and the best I can do so far is $47,000 out the door. This price is for 335 coupe, with metallic paint, sport package, and premium package. The invoice according to KBB for this car with the options I want is $41,615. Here is the breakdown: $41615 = invoice 2496 = sales tax 6% 44111 = taxable amt 47000 = dealer offer 2888 = dealer profit minus small tag trf fee and nomial county tax. What do you guys suggest? Thanks.
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01-09-2007, 12:28 PM	#2
BMW F22 Major General 3661 Rep 9,783 Posts Drives: ///M235i Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (8)	that's pretty high. Im sure you can do better than that. People are getting $1200 over INVOICE right now. It's not that hard. Just take that quote, lower it a few hundreds and send it to another dealer and see if they can beat that. Then take the new quote (hopefully lower) and send it to a different dealership (could b the 1st one) and ask them if they can beat that. Just play games with them and you will save some money. hehehe
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Daas Second Lieutenant 56 Rep 268 Posts Drives: A British car Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	It seems like people in CA are getting closer to Invoice than some other states. I'll keep trying...I was hoping not to play games with them.
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01-09-2007, 02:58 PM	#6
bonedaddy1977 Private 7 Rep 89 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Space Gray coupe Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 335i [0.00]	I PM'd you with my info and can probably get you a better deal
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01-09-2007, 06:21 PM	#8
wistarf Second Lieutenant 15 Rep 219 Posts Drives: 335i Coupé Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego iTrader: (0)	That may not be such a bad deal. But to find out, you'll need to do some more homework. Your invoice price doesn't look right. To give you an idea what you might be missing, here are the invoice prices paid by my dealer for my similarly equipped 335 MT coupe (I assume you were quoted a manual transmission): Base 37,350 Sport 910 Prem 2,230 Paint 430 Dest 695 MACO 380 (varies by dealer and by state, imposed by BMWNA) Training Fee 180 (imposed by BMWNA) --------------------- Total Invoice $42,175 To compare their deal to others you really need to more accurately calculate the true invoice price and then add up all taxes, license, doc prep (sometimes negotiable) and registration fees to see how much profit the dealer is actually making. A $1200 dealer profit seems to be a fair deal, in California right now. Good luck __________________ 07 335 MT, silver on black, sport, premium.
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01-09-2007, 08:53 PM	#9
Daas Second Lieutenant 56 Rep 268 Posts Drives: A British car Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Wistarf, You are correct. I did not add MACO and Training fee to my invoice price. BTW, what does MACO stand for? Initially, I had calculated... $2888 dealer profit, so lets subtract 560 maco and training fee 100 tag trf fee (approx) Dealer profit would be approx $2228, or at least $2000. Oh well, Florida isn't California Thanks for the input.
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TwinT335i New Member 0 Rep 26 Posts Drives: 01 Mitsubishi eclipse GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Florida iTrader: (0)	It seems like prices in North Florida are higher since there is less competition here. I'm in Gainesville, FL, which only has 1 BMW dealer and I've been trying to work out a good deal. I'll let you know how it goes.
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jadeddjay Major 118 Rep 1,441 Posts Drives: e92 335i, f10 m5 comp Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: jackson, ms iTrader: (4) Garage List 2007 e92 335i [0.00]	closest good deal for you would probably be adrian at nalley bmw in decatur ga. he is on vacation rite now so wait till next week and im sure he will give you a deal you cant refuse and the only fee you really need to pay is destination. everything else is crap.
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jadeddjay Major 118 Rep 1,441 Posts Drives: e92 335i, f10 m5 comp Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: jackson, ms iTrader: (4) Garage List 2007 e92 335i [0.00]	thats weird... i got an ED quote from an austin dealer. he told me 1200 over invoice so i asked him what the invoice includes my calculation includes destination only and comes out to xx,xxxx.xx and he emailed me back and said "yea just add 1200 to that and we can call it a deal" im gonna hit up adrian at nalley bmw to see if i can do any better. i expect that i will
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beemah Captain 8 Rep 612 Posts Drives: Porsche Cayman S Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: CT iTrader: (0)	get the car!!!!
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01-11-2007, 12:16 AM	#15
wistarf Second Lieutenant 15 Rep 219 Posts Drives: 335i Coupé Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego iTrader: (0)	As I said earlier, not all dealers pay the MACO fees, and the fees vary. It all depends on the dealer's contractual agreement with BMW NA. However I believe that all dealers have to pay the training fee. __________________ 07 335 MT, silver on black, sport, premium.
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beemah Captain 8 Rep 612 Posts Drives: Porsche Cayman S Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: CT iTrader: (0)	get the car!!!!!
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01-14-2007, 12:46 PM	#17
Daas Second Lieutenant 56 Rep 268 Posts Drives: A British car Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Beemah, don't know who you are but thanks for the advice... The damage has been done. Ordered a e92 Sapp Black with Coral Red/Gray Poplar, 6-sp, Sports and Premium Package. $46,700 out the door (including 2 BMW hats, lol). Already got my production number. Getting delivery at PDC sometime in April. Now the wait begins...
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