Info for dinan owners

rcusick · 09-28-2010, 08:27 PM

Since I haqte BMW so much now thought I would post this tidbit. Bit of background - relationship between din an and BMW is not very good right now. BMW dealership that sold me a din an tune now refuses to honor any din an warranty. They also charged me $300 to ref lash my car back to stock before performing warranty work. Anyhow...

Din an now encrypts and hides their tune (similar to giac). I had to have my caqr reflashed a second time by BMW (second time in 3 weeks). Not only did the dealer not detect the tune. The ref lash didn't overwrite the din an software. Very nice...

vase330 · 09-28-2010, 08:36 PM

It depends on dealership IMO. Some of them just like being #@$%. Take your money to someone who values you as a customer. So if the tune is now invisible and not overwriten that good right?

Fone Phreak · 09-28-2010, 09:10 PM

more mystery...

Brey335i · 09-28-2010, 09:16 PM

Were we supposed to be able to read that OP? Dinan... not din an

This sounds strange. I'll pop by and ask my SA tomorrow

san6279 · 09-28-2010, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by vase330

It depends on dealership IMO. Some of them just like being #@$%. Take your money to someone who values you as a customer. So if the tune is now invisible and not overwriten that good right?

I have to agree. Just had Stage 1 software installed and got it confirmed in writing that Dinan warranty applies and that it also has absolutely no impact on my remaining 4yr/50k warranty or CPO warranty.

When I was discussing options prior to install, SA stated they had never installed a BMW perf pkg because of the cost and minimal gains....and instead recommended the Dinan products. I'm scheduled for an oil cooler (OEM) and Dinan Stage 2 next week (caught the bug).

Jonny550 · 09-28-2010, 11:22 PM

Renntech>dinan

Bavarian E92 · 09-29-2010, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcusick

Since I haqte BMW so much now thought I would post this tidbit. Bit of background - relationship between din an and BMW is not very good right now. BMW dealership that sold me a din an tune now refuses to honor any din an warranty. They also charged me $300 to ref lash my car back to stock before performing warranty work. Anyhow...

Din an now encrypts and hides their tune (similar to giac). I had to have my caqr reflashed a second time by BMW (second time in 3 weeks). Not only did the dealer not detect the tune. The ref lash didn't overwrite the din an software. Very nice...

I don't get it...Why did you pay? Dinan pays the dealer $128 dollars to reflash the car. You should never pay to get your car to re-flashed.

skim7x · 09-29-2010, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcusick

Since I haqte BMW so much now thought I would post this tidbit. Bit of background - relationship between din an and BMW is not very good right now. BMW dealership that sold me a din an tune now refuses to honor any din an warranty. They also charged me $300 to ref lash my car back to stock before performing warranty work. Anyhow...

Din an now encrypts and hides their tune (similar to giac). I had to have my caqr reflashed a second time by BMW (second time in 3 weeks). Not only did the dealer not detect the tune. The ref lash didn't overwrite the din an software. Very nice...

Honestly, people talk about this and that about the BMW - Dinan relationship... it really doesn't matter. BMW does the work/labor, Dinan pays for it, simple as that. Why would BMW care who pays for the work, you or Dinan.

You should have just called Dinan, told them that you needed the car reflashed, and given them the number for the dealership... they take care of the rest. Think of it like an Insurance company... nobody ever talks about the BMW - Geico relationship.

And BMW doesn't honor a Dinan Warranty... they fix whatever is broken OUT of warranty, and Dinan pays for it.

GaryS · 09-29-2010, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rcusick

BMW dealership that sold me a din an tune now refuses to honor any din an warranty. They also charged me $300 to ref lash my car back to stock before performing warranty work.

You got ripped off by a dishonest dealer. I can't believe you handed over $300.

adding: You should still call Dinan. If the dealer won't take responsibility for the Dinan upgrade they sold you, that should be Dinan's problem, not yours.

M4TW · 09-29-2010, 12:33 PM

I am more interested in a Dinan flash that will remain even if the dealer installs a software update. This would be a great feature if it is true. It sounds implausible to me though and I would want to see something official from Dinan before believing this.

san6279 · 09-29-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparkplug

I am more interested in a Dinan flash that will remain even if the dealer installs a software update. This would be a great feature if it is true. It sounds implausible to me though and I would want to see something official from Dinan before believing this.

Why is this important to you when the dealer will reinstall the Dinan flash after the updates? Just curious what you are thinking, or your situation.

techlogik · 09-29-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bavarian E92

I don't get it...Why did you pay? Dinan pays the dealer $128 dollars to reflash the car. You should never pay to get your car to re-flashed.

Who is this thing in your signature.... I enjoy your post everytime, without reading a single word.

techlogik · 09-29-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by san6279

Why is this important to you when the dealer will reinstall the Dinan flash after the updates? Just curious what you are thinking, or your situation.

Because the TS claims a stock DME flash from the dealer did NOT overwrite the after market flash.

Which I find hard to believe. Sounds like the dealer charged him $300 to do nothing.

bogeygolf · 09-29-2010, 04:25 PM

I'm with the crowd that believes he got s(rewed out of $300. I had my car to the dealer to look at a long-crank issue. Software was remapped to BMW's newest version. Drive home felt a bit bland... w/o the dinan.

took it back to the dealer a week later to have the S2 reinstalled the car stopped feeling like a pansy. You can tell w/ the stock dme that the revs continue to climb but there isn't any power after 3k. Not the case with Dinan S2.

$.02

Bavarian E92 · 09-29-2010, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by techlogik

Who is this thing in your signature.... I enjoy your post everytime, without reading a single word.

Hey hey dont stare at my girls boobs! 50 bucks to the person who can find her in a sextape or porno. Christina Model. 36DD i love'em!

Bro you paid 2 grand! Common sense would make you knee jerk when they said you would have to pay again. Go back and get a refund. They took your 300 and sent the RO back to dinan so they could get reimbursed.

M4TW · 09-29-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by san6279

Why is this important to you when the dealer will reinstall the Dinan flash after the updates? Just curious what you are thinking, or your situation.

10 minute drive to my dealer, 6 hour drive to a dealer who has Dinan.

scott@bmwhn · 09-30-2010, 11:13 AM

Sorry sparkplug but anytime your dealer updates The DME, you still will need to have the Dinan software reflashed. The OP's situation sounds like an unfortunate case of the dealer taking advantage of him.

Trojan4evr · 09-30-2010, 11:25 AM

dishonest dealership. let me guess, BMW of Beverly hills.

IlChengis · 09-30-2010, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by techlogik

I enjoy your post everytime, without reading a single word.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bavarian E92

50 bucks to the person who can find her in a sextape or porno.

Not gonna happen, I TRIED years ago.

Quote:

i love'em!

Me too... too bad she can't dance for shizzle, but who's listening to the music?

-Walter

rcusick · 10-01-2010, 09:22 AM

A couple of things...

1) HPFP issues are well documented here. What is new is BMW has revised their procedure for dealing with "fixing" the issue. Used to be they would replace fule pump no questions asked. Now you have to go through the following steps - 1) reflash, 2) new sensor 3)???. This is well documented on this forum (also see good Wikipedia description).

2) several others with flash base tunes have also confirmed that BMW will charge $300 for a reflash.

In short - if you have ANY flash tune and you have HPFP issues, you will pay $300 or BMW will not even start work on your car under warranty. People can laugh, but its a fact. Policy has nothing to do with the dealer but everything to do with BMW's repair policy.

3) when a car is reflashed, the entire DME does not have to reflashed. BMW has released two software updates in the last two months - both supposedly related to the fuel pump. So, theoretically they could reflash a portion of the DME without over writing the Dinan flash.

4) Info on encrypting and not "marking" dinan flash came straight from Dinan. Thought some Dinan owners might find it helpful.

5) as I stated, the dealership who originally installed the flash is no longer a Dinan dealer. I thought it was a bit crappy that the same dealer would not ever work directly with Dinan to get my reflashing costs covered by Dinan. And "yes" I do intend to make a claim directly with Dinan.

6) Dinan and the alternate dinan dealership I have been working with have been awesome throughout all of this. Kudos to Dinan. I still really enjoy their product. BMW is the one who has a potential huge issue on their hands the HPFP (perhaps has big as Toyotal acceleration issues - again see Wikipedia update - very interesting).

7) I do know to spell (and pronounce) Dinan. My iphone seems to like splitting Dinan into two words.

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rcusick Private First Class 12 Rep 133 Posts Drives: BMW 335 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	Info for dinan owners Since I haqte BMW so much now thought I would post this tidbit. Bit of background - relationship between din an and BMW is not very good right now. BMW dealership that sold me a din an tune now refuses to honor any din an warranty. They also charged me $300 to ref lash my car back to stock before performing warranty work. Anyhow... Din an now encrypts and hides their tune (similar to giac). I had to have my caqr reflashed a second time by BMW (second time in 3 weeks). Not only did the dealer not detect the tune. The ref lash didn't overwrite the din an software. Very nice...
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vase330 Colonel 103 Rep 2,760 Posts Drives: 19 E63S; 15.5 RangeRover ATB Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Arlington, Va iTrader: (1)	It depends on dealership IMO. Some of them just like being #@$%. Take your money to someone who values you as a customer. So if the tune is now invisible and not overwriten that good right? __________________ E92 335 \| Space Gray \| Saddle Brown Dakota \| Dark Burl Trim \| ZPP \| ZSP \| AT \| Idrive \| 6FL \| FBO \| Dinan CAI \| Quaife LSD \| STG3 PROCede.
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Brey335i Banned 118 Rep 4,771 Posts Drives: e46 ///M3 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Austin, TX iTrader: (11)	Were we supposed to be able to read that OP? Dinan... not din an This sounds strange. I'll pop by and ask my SA tomorrow
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M4TW ///M Uber Alles 332 Rep 1,601 Posts Drives: '15 MW M4 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: GSA iTrader: (1)	I am more interested in a Dinan flash that will remain even if the dealer installs a software update. This would be a great feature if it is true. It sounds implausible to me though and I would want to see something official from Dinan before believing this. __________________ die Welt ist meine Auster 2015 M4, MW, Black Full Merino, DCT, CCB, Adaptive M Suspension, Premium, Executive. Technology, ConnectedDrive, CF Trim, Convenience Telephony, European Delivery
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bogeygolf Enlisted Member 0 Rep 34 Posts Drives: 335i cpe Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Houston iTrader: (0)	I'm with the crowd that believes he got s(rewed out of $300. I had my car to the dealer to look at a long-crank issue. Software was remapped to BMW's newest version. Drive home felt a bit bland... w/o the dinan. took it back to the dealer a week later to have the S2 reinstalled the car stopped feeling like a pansy. You can tell w/ the stock dme that the revs continue to climb but there isn't any power after 3k. Not the case with Dinan S2. $.02
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scott@bmwhn Major 139 Rep 1,245 Posts Drives: Msport X3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Houston iTrader: (3)	Sorry sparkplug but anytime your dealer updates The DME, you still will need to have the Dinan software reflashed. The OP's situation sounds like an unfortunate case of the dealer taking advantage of him. __________________ 03' 525iT stick, 22' 530i Previous: 20' X3 M40i, 19' 740i Msport, 17' 430i GC, 15' Msport X3 28i, 15' Sportline X1 28i, 13' Msport 328i, 09' Msport 335i, 07' Msport 335i
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rcusick Private First Class 12 Rep 133 Posts Drives: BMW 335 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	A couple of things... 1) HPFP issues are well documented here. What is new is BMW has revised their procedure for dealing with "fixing" the issue. Used to be they would replace fule pump no questions asked. Now you have to go through the following steps - 1) reflash, 2) new sensor 3)???. This is well documented on this forum (also see good Wikipedia description). 2) several others with flash base tunes have also confirmed that BMW will charge $300 for a reflash. In short - if you have ANY flash tune and you have HPFP issues, you will pay $300 or BMW will not even start work on your car under warranty. People can laugh, but its a fact. Policy has nothing to do with the dealer but everything to do with BMW's repair policy. 3) when a car is reflashed, the entire DME does not have to reflashed. BMW has released two software updates in the last two months - both supposedly related to the fuel pump. So, theoretically they could reflash a portion of the DME without over writing the Dinan flash. 4) Info on encrypting and not "marking" dinan flash came straight from Dinan. Thought some Dinan owners might find it helpful. 5) as I stated, the dealership who originally installed the flash is no longer a Dinan dealer. I thought it was a bit crappy that the same dealer would not ever work directly with Dinan to get my reflashing costs covered by Dinan. And "yes" I do intend to make a claim directly with Dinan. 6) Dinan and the alternate dinan dealership I have been working with have been awesome throughout all of this. Kudos to Dinan. I still really enjoy their product. BMW is the one who has a potential huge issue on their hands the HPFP (perhaps has big as Toyotal acceleration issues - again see Wikipedia update - very interesting). 7) I do know to spell (and pronounce) Dinan. My iphone seems to like splitting Dinan into two words.
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