Latest Progman software

YvesD · 10-01-2010, 07:46 AM

Guys,

I've recently been updated and have noticed over this last week that the ECU never primes the LPFP the 1st time I open the door in the morning.

This is really strange as the 1st cold start is the only time it actually needs to prime the LPFP!

Consequently, my car starts no different to the way it did before the upgrade, ie, sometimes cranks and splutters, sometimes not.

I've tried fooling it by energising the ignition, switching off, locking the door, starting the process again but it will not prime the LPFP until the 1st actual start is out of the way.

Any one else noticed this?

Cheers

Yves

335i E92 · 10-01-2010, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YvesD

Guys,

I've recently been updated and have noticed over this last week that the ECU never primes the LPFP the 1st time I open the door in the morning.

This is really strange as the 1st cold start is the only time it actually needs to prime the LPFP!

Consequently, my car starts no different to the way it did before the upgrade, ie, sometimes cranks and splutters, sometimes not.

I've tried fooling it by energising the ignition, switching off, locking the door, starting the process again but it will not prime the LPFP until the 1st actual start is out of the way.

Any one else noticed this?

Cheers

Yves

I'll let you know next week, my car is having th e latest full ECU software update on Thursday.

What version were you running before? What's the throttle response like on the latest software, much lag?

H

doughboy · 10-01-2010, 08:22 AM

My car is a mar 09 (never been updated) and has always run the lift pump, (often called LPFP) to prime the HPFP from the moment you press unlock on the fob.

My HPFP is on its way out now BTW, long cranks every morning.

Some people on here have said the priming has been added in recent updates, but this must have been on pre Mar 08 cars as mine's done it from new.

Strange yours is now NOT priming as this means it must have been removed now, have you had a new HPFP??

YvesD · 10-01-2010, 08:22 AM

No idea what the version was before, it was loaded on in July 2009, thats all I can tell you.

No difference in throttle response from where I'm sitting, in fact the only thing discernably different is the LPFP noise while it primes itself.

If it can be bothered that is!

Yves

Quote:

Originally Posted by 335i E92

I'll let you know next week, my car is having th e latest full ECU software update on Thursday.

What version were you running before? What's the throttle response like on the latest software, much lag?

H

YvesD · 10-01-2010, 08:26 AM

Hi doughboy,

My car has never run the lift pump until this latest software update.

No new fuel pump fitted although I am on my second one, the 1st having died Jan 09 so not a factor.

Strange isnt it

Yves

Quote:

Originally Posted by doughboy

Some people on here have said the priming has been added in recent updates, but this must have been on pre Mar 08 cars as mines done it from new.

Strange yours is now NOT priming, have you had a new HPFP??

m1bjr · 10-01-2010, 10:00 AM

I had the patch last month.
Prime begins when I hit the keyfob.
Often Im working on the car without starting it, and it does it when I close it up too

Steve

doughboy · 10-01-2010, 10:02 AM

Sorry Yves,

Your initial post said your car never ran the lift pump since the update...

Quote:

I've recently been updated and have noticed over this last week that the ECU never primes the LPFP

Then you said the car has only run the lift pump since the update....

Quote:

My car has never run the lift pump until this latest software update

Which one is it??

YvesD · 10-01-2010, 10:57 AM

Both things aere true.

The car never ran the lift pump before the software upgrade and now it only does it after the first start of the day which is totally useless.

Come to think of it, it doesnt operate every time following the 1st time either...

Coding error somewhere??

Quote:

Originally Posted by doughboy

Sorry Yves,

Your initial post said your car never ran the lift pump since the update...

Then you said the car has only run the lift pump since the update....

Which one is it??

335i E92 · 10-10-2010, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YvesD

Both things aere true.

The car never ran the lift pump before the software upgrade and now it only does it after the first start of the day which is totally useless.

Come to think of it, it doesnt operate every time following the 1st time either...

Coding error somewhere??

Hi Yves

As I mentioned my car was booked in last week to have the latest software upgrade.

My car prior to the update always primed the fuel pump but now I can't hear anything!!

I've had my fair share of faults injectors / coils / actuators but no fuel pump issues. Needless to say the car doesn't start any differently, always withing a crank or 2.

What I can report though is how well the car is running, very smooth and much much
less turbo lag. My car had the actuators done back in April and I'm covinsed that they didn't instal the wastgate retrofit softare as it has been laggy ever since.

However I can say for sure that this latest update has definatley addressed this as
the car now responds very quickly. I also used to get an anoying vibration noise from the valve / flap in the exhaust at around 2rpm which has also disapeared!!

YvesD · 10-10-2010, 12:55 PM

Software is wierd isnt it.

My ECU decided to prime the LPFP once or twice last week on first start just to confuse me and with no discernable pattern regards outside temp, length of time left stood etc etc.

Engine starts no different to before the update (actually worse if anything)and runs just fine when warm.

Dont know what to make of it.

Yves

Quote:

Originally Posted by 335i E92

Hi Yves

As I mentioned my car was booked in last week to have the latest software upgrade.

My car prior to the update always primed the fuel pump but now I can't hear anything!!

I've had my fair share of faults injectors / coils / actuators but no fuel pump issues. Needless to say the car doesn't start any differently, always withing a crank or 2.

What I can report though is how well the car is running, very smooth and much much
less turbo lag. My car had the actuators done back in April and I'm covinsed that they didn't instal the wastgate retrofit softare as it has been laggy ever since.

However I can say for sure that this latest update has definatley addressed this as
the car now responds very quickly. I also used to get an anoying vibration noise from the valve / flap in the exhaust at around 2rpm which has also disapeared!!

RichJ · 10-10-2010, 05:21 PM

After a software upgrade last week mine seems to prime every time i open it with the key.

doughboy · 10-11-2010, 04:34 AM

Mines in this week for indicators (LEDs failed).

I've also mentioned the fuel pump / long cranking but as there are no fault codes raised by it (check on BT lead) they will probably do nothing about it.

Probably update the software though as its still on its delivery version from March 2009.

YvesD · 10-11-2010, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by doughboy

Mines in this week for indicators (LEDs failed).

I've also mentioned the fuel pump / long cranking but as there are no fault codes raised by it (check on BT lead) they will probably do nothing about it.

Probably update the software though as its still on its delivery version from March 2009.

Mine primed again this morning and then stumbled into life.

m1bjr · 10-11-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Jones

After a software upgrade last week mine seems to prime every time i open it with the key.

Me too, but only if left a long time.

I suspect its looking at the feed pressure, perhaps it only leaks away over time.
And some are worse than others.

YvesD · 10-11-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by m1bjr

Me too, but only if left a long time.

I suspect its looking at the feed pressure, perhaps it only leaks away over time.
And some are worse than others.

Nice theory.

Mine will not prime after being sat 3 days doing nothing but then will prime 3 hours later at the 2nd start of the day.

Ant Man · 10-14-2010, 07:00 AM

Fyi - My local senior tech inform me that Progman no longer exists and has been replaced by Firmware which is used on the new ISYS (spelling) system.

Updates now take minutes.

doughboy · 10-14-2010, 07:11 AM

It's been ISTA-P rather than progman for a while now, but its just names.

My LPFP re-priming all the time, unlock, open a door 20 secs later, lock, unlock, open the bonnet, open the boot. Just keeps on priming.....

It in today for HPFP investigation and a new rear light, they update the DME so we'll see whats changed when I get it back.

m1bjr · 10-14-2010, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doughboy

My LPFP re-priming all the time, unlock, open a door 20 secs later, lock, unlock, open the bonnet, open the boot. Just keeps on priming.....
.

Mmmm... would support my theory of worn pump guts leaking off pressure then?

doughboy · 10-15-2010, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by m1bjr

Mmmm... would support my theory of worn pump guts leaking off pressure then?

Interesting though, prior to the car going in to the dealers, I set the JB3 to
map 0, then reset all the adaptations via BT (including the High pressure fuel adaptations)

Immediately the car then started STRAIGHT AWAY. Next morning stone cold, it started ON THE BUTTON.

The dealers have reported the same, I've had discussions about it with the the workshop manager and he took it home to check the starting at different temperatures and again no problems.

He understands my concerns as I just want a new pump, but he says BMW have really tightened up on N54 fuel system problems, a year or so ago he said they would just throw pumps, injectors, coil packs and all sorts at it, but now they have to jump through hoops with test routines, including remote FASTA verification of diagnostics before they can get parts approved under warranty.

They've carried out the full diagnostic routine, including splitting the High and Low pressure systems, checking both their running pressures, pressure rise rates and and residual decay pressures, and everything is 100% in spec.

Now the car is on the FASTA remote diagnostic link where technicians remotely check it and can run additional routines.

So, maybe its OK? Who knows?

We'll see when I pick it up later.

YvesD · 10-15-2010, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by doughboy

So, maybe its OK? Who knows?

We'll see when I pick it up later.

I've given up thinking about mine, it starts from cold, throws the same shadow codes everytime ( 2FCA & 2FDA ) then runs fine without throwing any additional codes.

Ho hum

doughboy · 10-16-2010, 10:26 AM

Got mine back from the dealers yesterday, Still starting on the button, they have done all the tests and said the HPFP is fine.

It has had the DME updated.

Ta Da.... stone cold this morning - NO PRIMING - started on the button.

15 minutes later after refueling - IT PRIMED when I unlocked the door!! - Still started fine.

Odd.

YvesD · 10-16-2010, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by doughboy

Got mine back from the dealers yesterday, Still starting on the button, they have done all the tests and said the HPFP is fine.

It has had the DME updated.

Ta Da.... stone cold this morning - NO PRIMING - started on the button.

15 minutes later after refueling - IT PRIMED when I unlocked the door!! - Still started fine.

Odd.

Welcome to the wierd software update club!

My ECU never threw a code in 6 months and now having been updated it throws 2 every time it starts!

Theres a glitch in the programme somewhere....

Yves

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YvesD Lamininist 89 Rep 1,030 Posts Drives: Carbon Black X5M Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: United Kingdom iTrader: (3)	Latest Progman software - LPFP Priming Guys, I've recently been updated and have noticed over this last week that the ECU never primes the LPFP the 1st time I open the door in the morning. This is really strange as the 1st cold start is the only time it actually needs to prime the LPFP! Consequently, my car starts no different to the way it did before the upgrade, ie, sometimes cranks and splutters, sometimes not. I've tried fooling it by energising the ignition, switching off, locking the door, starting the process again but it will not prime the LPFP until the 1st actual start is out of the way. Any one else noticed this? Cheers Yves
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doughboy Major General 1582 Rep 8,971 Posts Drives: 2018 M2 Comp 6MT Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (2)	My car is a mar 09 (never been updated) and has always run the lift pump, (often called LPFP) to prime the HPFP from the moment you press unlock on the fob. My HPFP is on its way out now BTW, long cranks every morning. Some people on here have said the priming has been added in recent updates, but this must have been on pre Mar 08 cars as mine's done it from new. Strange yours is now NOT priming as this means it must have been removed now, have you had a new HPFP??
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m1bjr LSD - No, you're not seeing things 76 Rep 3,302 Posts Drives: Baby F36 Gran Coupe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Plymouth UK iTrader: (4)	I had the patch last month. Prime begins when I hit the keyfob. Often Im working on the car without starting it, and it does it when I close it up too Steve
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RichJ First Lieutenant 11 Rep 358 Posts Drives: E92 M-Sport 330i Le Mans Blue Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South iTrader: (0)	After a software upgrade last week mine seems to prime every time i open it with the key.
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doughboy Major General 1582 Rep 8,971 Posts Drives: 2018 M2 Comp 6MT Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (2)	Mines in this week for indicators (LEDs failed). I've also mentioned the fuel pump / long cranking but as there are no fault codes raised by it (check on BT lead) they will probably do nothing about it. Probably update the software though as its still on its delivery version from March 2009.
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Ant Man Major 79 Rep 1,179 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Individual Edition Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: East Anglia iTrader: (1)	Fyi - My local senior tech inform me that Progman no longer exists and has been replaced by Firmware which is used on the new ISYS (spelling) system. Updates now take minutes.
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doughboy Major General 1582 Rep 8,971 Posts Drives: 2018 M2 Comp 6MT Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (2)	It's been ISTA-P rather than progman for a while now, but its just names. My LPFP re-priming all the time, unlock, open a door 20 secs later, lock, unlock, open the bonnet, open the boot. Just keeps on priming..... It in today for HPFP investigation and a new rear light, they update the DME so we'll see whats changed when I get it back.
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doughboy Major General 1582 Rep 8,971 Posts Drives: 2018 M2 Comp 6MT Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (2)	Got mine back from the dealers yesterday, Still starting on the button, they have done all the tests and said the HPFP is fine. It has had the DME updated. Ta Da.... stone cold this morning - NO PRIMING - started on the button. 15 minutes later after refueling - IT PRIMED when I unlocked the door!! - Still started fine. Odd.
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