GIAC Stage II dyno results

turb0mik3 · 11-06-2010, 10:01 PM

I might as well get crucified up front, I didn't do a baseline dyno when I got the car

but anywho...

I took my car to Bottle Blown Racing today in Camarillo before my Westmont College Choir concert at Biola University. I arrived at the shop at 8am and met Brook and Tommy. Both have full time jobs but run this shop as a hobby on the weekends and late weeknights. They are really knowledgable and cool guys to talk to. Brook has a 640whp 04 Cobra, and to make matters worse, it looks all stock from the outside

Anywho, I need to give the background settings for this whole shabang, because no matter what numbers you throw down it all depends on the environmental settings. Some people like to dyno the car when its 50 degrees out and optimal temperature, which is fine to get peak numbers, but this was a more accurate "California" reading.

So, the conditions sucked, but here they are...

8:00am
71 degrees
70% humidity

Modifications:
GIAC Stage 2
Match Shnell Catless DPs
Custom Borla Race Exhaust
ER Competition Intercooler
ER Charge Pipe w/ TIAL BOV
aFe dual cone intake
aFe hood scoops

I was running about a 96ish octane (combined mostly 91 and 5 gallons 109); I have not installed my methanol injection yet (midterms were last week).

The Results:
404whp and 398wtrq @ a very safe 15.6psi

VIDEO:

As an analysis, it took them about 5 runs to get those numbers. The first run was around 370whp, lol. Tommy was the driver and didn't realize that the turbos spool up so quickly, so multiple runs were needed. I also love the curve because the HP peaks right after the torque starts to decline and the HP holds really nicely. It is a gorgeous graph and congrats to GIAC for making such a great product. I would comment that it did run a little rich for my taste, but I think that will be somewhat corrected with the meth but I could be wrong.

I talked to Brook and Tommy and I will set up an appointment in the upcoming weeks when the weather gets a little better. Brook said that if I come during a weeknight when the temp is about 60 degrees with 20-30% humidity, while running meth and my racing wheels I should be around 430whp+ with stage 2 race.

I will also run some stock mode runs.

Thanks for looking and hopefully this will get some people to AT LEAST TRY GIAC!!!

-Mike

Bimmer This · 11-06-2010, 10:07 PM

awesome numbers! Everything looks smooth.

Iwantm3 · 11-06-2010, 10:08 PM

But how do you run meth with this if it's not compatible with fail safety units ? Or am I missing something ? btw how much is this tune ?

Iwantm3 · 11-06-2010, 10:10 PM

should of ran pump gas this is just stupid btw were you just trying to get a bigger number on a dyno sheet ? or see the real world gains ?

BrianMN · 11-06-2010, 10:39 PM

Nice numbers, and very smooth! but it looks like it falls of very fast after 5500 rpm.

turb0mik3 · 11-06-2010, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iwantm3

should of ran pump gas this is just stupid btw were you just trying to get a bigger number on a dyno sheet ? or see the real world gains ?

I wanted to attempt to try a race map large number, but in the end Brook said it wouldn't matter that much because the meth also cools down the air as well as essentially raising octane levels, which I didn't consider before. The stage II is 1k and the race tune is 200 more.

turb0mik3 · 11-06-2010, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianMN

Nice numbers, and very smooth! but it looks like it falls of very fast after 5500 rpm.

I could be wrong but this could be due to heat soak and humidity. This was the 5th run and was conducted after a 5 min cool-off from the previous pull.

JB335 · 11-06-2010, 10:47 PM

damn... thats awesome dude. If my lease wasnt ending and I wasnt giving my car back I would definitely give GIAC stage 2 a shot

PeteW84 · 11-07-2010, 12:16 AM

Nice numbers, car looks good as well.

Iwantm3 · 11-07-2010, 12:25 AM

^ +1 car looks amazing

turb0mik3 · 11-07-2010, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iwantm3

^ +1 car looks amazing

I;m drunk, and thank you playboy.

Sniz · 11-07-2010, 09:23 AM

a superflow dyno? do u have a baseline to compare this to?

looks smooth and happy.

dzenno · 11-07-2010, 10:26 AM

congrats, great numbers...

what type of dyno was this?

dzenno · 11-07-2010, 10:45 AM

wait, just realized something is off...you're running stg 2 map, dynoed 400whp AND on 15psi...those 3 things DO NOT sit well together with me...i think at least 2 more PSI was involved here for that whp or this dyno is reading about 30whp high OR the boost graph is for the 370whp dyno pull??

turb0mik3 · 11-07-2010, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzenno

wait, just realized something is off...you're running stg 2 map, dynoed 400whp AND on 15psi...those 3 things DO NOT sit well together with me...i think at least 2 more PSI was involved here for that whp or this dyno is reading about 30whp high OR the boost graph is for the 370whp dyno pull??

Those are the dynojet numbers, which usually run really high. The dyno is a superflow dyno which read 381.7whp at 15.8psi for that run. The dyno also calculates dynojet numbers for people who want to brag about it, LOL. Don't know if that helps at all.

Sniz · 11-07-2010, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mflowt5

Those are the dynojet numbers, which usually run really high. The dyno is a superflow dyno which read 381.7whp at 15.8psi for that run. The dyno also calculates dynojet numbers for people who want to brag about it, LOL. Don't know if that helps at all.

so those are calculated #'s based on some sort of inflation delta over a superflow?

turb0mik3 · 11-07-2010, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sniz

so those are calculated #'s based on some sort of inflation delta over a superflow?

I believe so. Don't know if that's a good or bad thing, lol.

DriftDreamzSS · 11-07-2010, 08:48 PM

Nice, ive been to bottle blown a few times, they are good guys. Did you get your flash at HP autowerks? Im thinking about going giac as well but probably stage 1 till my cpo warranty expires.

sleepergm · 11-07-2010, 09:06 PM

Good Numbers ... can't wait to get mine this week.

turb0mik3 · 11-08-2010, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DriftDreamzSS

Nice, ive been to bottle blown a few times, they are good guys. Did you get your flash at HP autowerks? Im thinking about going giac as well but probably stage 1 till my cpo warranty expires.

Yup, Harold flashed it. And I have basically said "F you" to the warranty with everything I have.

enrita · 11-08-2010, 01:28 AM

great numbers and very nice beefy car !

turb0mik3 · 11-08-2010, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DriftDreamzSS

Nice, ive been to bottle blown a few times, they are good guys. Did you get your flash at HP autowerks? Im thinking about going giac as well but probably stage 1 till my cpo warranty expires.

BTW, were you at the Camarillo autox in your RX7? I was there as well (if you didn't notice my signature, haha)

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turb0mik3 247 Rep 2,781 Posts Drives: E90 335i Racecar Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: San Diego, CA iTrader: (1) Garage List 2010 BMW 335i [8.90]	GIAC Stage II dyno results I might as well get crucified up front, I didn't do a baseline dyno when I got the car but anywho... I took my car to Bottle Blown Racing today in Camarillo before my Westmont College Choir concert at Biola University. I arrived at the shop at 8am and met Brook and Tommy. Both have full time jobs but run this shop as a hobby on the weekends and late weeknights. They are really knowledgable and cool guys to talk to. Brook has a 640whp 04 Cobra, and to make matters worse, it looks all stock from the outside Anywho, I need to give the background settings for this whole shabang, because no matter what numbers you throw down it all depends on the environmental settings. Some people like to dyno the car when its 50 degrees out and optimal temperature, which is fine to get peak numbers, but this was a more accurate "California" reading. So, the conditions sucked, but here they are... 8:00am 71 degrees 70% humidity Modifications: GIAC Stage 2 Match Shnell Catless DPs Custom Borla Race Exhaust ER Competition Intercooler ER Charge Pipe w/ TIAL BOV aFe dual cone intake aFe hood scoops I was running about a 96ish octane (combined mostly 91 and 5 gallons 109); I have not installed my methanol injection yet (midterms were last week). The Results: 404whp and 398wtrq @ a very safe 15.6psi VIDEO: As an analysis, it took them about 5 runs to get those numbers. The first run was around 370whp, lol. Tommy was the driver and didn't realize that the turbos spool up so quickly, so multiple runs were needed. I also love the curve because the HP peaks right after the torque starts to decline and the HP holds really nicely. It is a gorgeous graph and congrats to GIAC for making such a great product. I would comment that it did run a little rich for my taste, but I think that will be somewhat corrected with the meth but I could be wrong. I talked to Brook and Tommy and I will set up an appointment in the upcoming weeks when the weather gets a little better. Brook said that if I come during a weeknight when the temp is about 60 degrees with 20-30% humidity, while running meth and my racing wheels I should be around 430whp+ with stage 2 race. I will also run some stock mode runs. Thanks for looking and hopefully this will get some people to AT LEAST TRY GIAC!!! -Mike __________________ HG Motorsports \| Motiv Motorsport \| Sparta Evolution \| BBS Motorsports \| Sabelt \| JRZ \| NASA ST1 SoCal --- 554whp/487wtrq --- 3200lbs <<YouTube Channel w/ Race Videos>>
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Iwantm3 Banned 38 Rep 1,284 Posts Drives: 335i M sport Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: US AND A I likeeeee iTrader: (1)	But how do you run meth with this if it's not compatible with fail safety units ? Or am I missing something ? btw how much is this tune ?
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Iwantm3 Banned 38 Rep 1,284 Posts Drives: 335i M sport Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: US AND A I likeeeee iTrader: (1)	should of ran pump gas this is just stupid btw were you just trying to get a bigger number on a dyno sheet ? or see the real world gains ?
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BrianMN Banned 117 Rep 2,428 Posts Drives: 4 Door Family Sedan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Minneapolis iTrader: (7)	Nice numbers, and very smooth! but it looks like it falls of very fast after 5500 rpm.
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Sniz Lieutenant General 682 Rep 10,584 Posts Drives: e92 335 - gone // e36 M3 turbo Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ellicott City, MD iTrader: (1)	a superflow dyno? do u have a baseline to compare this to? looks smooth and happy. __________________
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