Dyno: ASR Upgraded turbos

OpenFlash · 11-11-2010, 08:08 PM

Found this posted elsewhere. I don't know much else about it...

135 6MT from PR with:
Injen Intake
Riss Racing catted Dp's
Riss Racing 3" exhaust
AMS FMIC
Procede v4
ASR upgraded turbos

93oct pump gas
NO meth
NO racegas

Pretty darn good for having a pair of cats and running pump gas. Temp was 85F with 90% humidity as well. Judging by the relatively low RPM for peak hp in the 2nd gear, I'd say that 18psi was probably a bit too aggressive. Would have probably made the same power running 17psi.

MKE_M3 · 11-11-2010, 08:15 PM

That 16psi HP curve is the ( . Y . )s

peak HP at over 6000rpm!

IlChengis · 11-11-2010, 08:17 PM

Thanks for sharing Shiv.

On a side note, the least I hear about ASR and Abid the better. I had bad experiences with that individual 10 years ago when I had just moved to this country, barely spoke any English and didn't know much about cars. Judging by recent experiences people are reporting on various online Forums it doesn't look like this person has changed much.

-Walter

Fernflex · 11-11-2010, 08:17 PM

Shiv those dynos are from the new pair of turbo that Amador Perez bough, he is a friend of mine. I think he have been talking to you lately about the tuning!

OpenFlash · 11-11-2010, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fernflex

Shiv those dynos are from the new pair of turbo that Amador Perez bough, he is a friend of mine. I think he have been talking to you lately about the tuning!

Yep i got a call from someone a couple days ago asking how to raise the boost. At first, he was running the default boost value of 13.5psi. That must have been a letdown

Fernflex · 11-11-2010, 08:33 PM

It wasn't easy for my friend to get those turbos down here to PR, he almost buy a ticket and go to Asr offices but after almost 3 month he is very happy with the performance.

He tells me the car pulls like crazy in every gear and he wants to go back to the dyno!

Also that dyno was extremely hot around 85 degrees, poor ventilations (cheap fans), almost 100% humidity!

cn555ic · 11-11-2010, 08:39 PM

Wow great numbers with such hot and humid weather...Wonder what it will do with meth and 1 psi more!

Bimmer This · 11-11-2010, 08:40 PM

awesome. Numbers look good. Now its time to turn it up.

Fernflex · 11-11-2010, 09:47 PM

That car with JB3 map 5 same mods last dyno was around 356whp so is like 70whp more, that huge a gain!

And I know that he needs to tune his car better and send you some logs that he haven't done!

OpenFlash · 11-11-2010, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fernflex

That car with JB3 map 5 same mods last dyno was around 356whp so is like 70whp more, that huge a gain!

And I know that he needs to tune his car better and send you some logs that he haven't done!

He really doesn't need to do anything. As I told him on the phone, he just needs to set maximum boost to 18psi and let Procede Autotuning do the rest. Not only will it find the best boost level, timing retard curve for the octane/conditions, it will also adjust the wastegate DC map to compensate for the new wastegates. The days of sending logs back and forth to get an halfway decent result is over. Now you don't have to do anything and get a darn good result.

shiv

dzenno · 11-11-2010, 11:22 PM

Why would you set to 18psi for pump??? I know autotuning will take care of tuning it down but why run higher than 16psi on pump...

would be nice to know a baseline...the Helix turbos at about 16psi made this much on a Mustang dyno 93 pump but we don't know sh*t without a baseline...

IlChengis · 11-11-2010, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzenno

Why would you set to 18psi for pump??? I know autotuning will take care of tuning it down but why run higher than 16psi on pump...

I was running 20-22psi on 93 octane on my DSM back in the day. No water injection.

-Walter

dzenno · 11-11-2010, 11:37 PM

That means nothing on this platform..

lamia2super · 11-11-2010, 11:53 PM

the ams intercooler is also really small so that might hinge his performance. anyways ive seen these turbos at work first hand and their pretty darn impressive.....made my car look like it was standing still

M3_WC · 11-12-2010, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Found this posted elsewhere. I don't know much else about it...

What are you doing on your competitors forum?

OpenFlash · 11-12-2010, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3_WC

What are you doing on your competitors forum?

Just to keep track of rumors and gossip. Today I learned that I set up a fake account and pretended to be a Russian? And that I'm best friends with Abid@ASR. And all sorts of stuff. I suppose this need for drama and conflict is why reality shows are so popular.

OpenFlash · 11-12-2010, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzenno

Why would you set to 18psi for pump??? I know autotuning will take care of tuning it down but why run higher than 16psi on pump...

would be nice to know a baseline...the Helix turbos at about 16psi made this much on a Mustang dyno 93 pump but we don't know sh*t without a baseline...

The reason why 15-16psi is the limit for good safe power on pump gas is because the factory turbos are induces a great deal of exhaust backpressure at that boost level. As a result, some of that super hot exhaust gets pushed back into the engine during valve overlap. This a) increases in-cylinder charge temp and b) reduces pumping efficiency which makes the engine far more prone to detonation.

Alleviating this condition with a good turbo upgrade will allows you to run more boost with the same octane constraint. In such a case, running 17-18psi on pump gas can be perfectly suitable as long as the rest of the system supports it.

Shiv

kennejp · 11-12-2010, 01:16 AM

This is all priceless! This looks almost the same as the helix upgrade everyone was dogging the numbers bc it didnt have a procede tune yada yada and this is higher boost levels and making less power and everyone is saying it looks good. Talk about FANBOI'S!!!

AltecBX · 11-12-2010, 01:19 AM

Will a upgrade turbo with stock DP = to Stock turbos with Catless DP?

OpenFlash · 11-12-2010, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by AltecBX

Will a upgrade turbo with stock DP = to Stock turbos with Catless DP?

Unlikely. A turbo itself, pushed towards it's upper limit, will often create a whole lot more backpressure than the exhaust downstream of it.

AltecBX · 11-12-2010, 01:44 AM

Gotcha!
Then how can we prevent the added back-pressure from the higher psi turbo?

ar design · 11-12-2010, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I suppose this need for drama and conflict is why reality shows are so popular.

I supposed this explains your incessant need to post in competitors threads.

My work is done here.

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IlChengis once Treppiede 64 Rep 915 Posts Drives: 2012 E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Miami and Atlanta iTrader: (4)	Thanks for sharing Shiv. On a side note, the least I hear about ASR and Abid the better. I had bad experiences with that individual 10 years ago when I had just moved to this country, barely spoke any English and didn't know much about cars. Judging by recent experiences people are reporting on various online Forums it doesn't look like this person has changed much. -Walter __________________ 2013 E92 M3 \| 6MT \| AlpWhite \| SilverNovillo \| CarbonTrim \| ZCP \| PremiumPkg \| Alarm 2009 E92 335i \| 6MT \| AlpWhite \| CoralRed \| AlumTrim \| M-Sport \| Nav \| Logic7 \| Alarm (sold to a friend - still in the family)
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Fernflex First Lieutenant 49 Rep 334 Posts Drives: E92 Crimson Red 335i Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Guaynabo iTrader: (9)	Shiv those dynos are from the new pair of turbo that Amador Perez bough, he is a friend of mine. I think he have been talking to you lately about the tuning! __________________ R56 Cooper S E92 335i E30 332is Burger Tuning, Evolution Racewerks and VRFS in Puerto Rico...
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Fernflex First Lieutenant 49 Rep 334 Posts Drives: E92 Crimson Red 335i Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Guaynabo iTrader: (9)	It wasn't easy for my friend to get those turbos down here to PR, he almost buy a ticket and go to Asr offices but after almost 3 month he is very happy with the performance. He tells me the car pulls like crazy in every gear and he wants to go back to the dyno! Also that dyno was extremely hot around 85 degrees, poor ventilations (cheap fans), almost 100% humidity! __________________ R56 Cooper S E92 335i E30 332is Burger Tuning, Evolution Racewerks and VRFS in Puerto Rico...
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Fernflex First Lieutenant 49 Rep 334 Posts Drives: E92 Crimson Red 335i Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Guaynabo iTrader: (9)	That car with JB3 map 5 same mods last dyno was around 356whp so is like 70whp more, that huge a gain! And I know that he needs to tune his car better and send you some logs that he haven't done! __________________ R56 Cooper S E92 335i E30 332is Burger Tuning, Evolution Racewerks and VRFS in Puerto Rico...
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kennejp First Lieutenant 42 Rep 348 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: TN iTrader: (2)	This is all priceless! This looks almost the same as the helix upgrade everyone was dogging the numbers bc it didnt have a procede tune yada yada and this is higher boost levels and making less power and everyone is saying it looks good. Talk about FANBOI'S!!!
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