I'm a little confused on what a "short engine" means ?

tscdennab · 12-15-2010, 11:15 AM

Hi,

From my understanding, a short block engine means the engine without the cylinder head and above parts.

But when I look at realoem, I see a picture of the whole engine referred to as a "short engine" (not "short block engine").

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...30&hg=11&fg=05

So for $3700 for a "remanufactured short engine" at Tischer do you get the whole engine top to bottom or only the engine without the cylinder head ?

Just asking...for comfort

e93WhiteonRed · 12-15-2010, 12:30 PM

There is no way the long block is 3700 bucks, I'm sure it's a stripped down short block. Full engine assembly is over 15k.

enrita · 12-15-2010, 12:35 PM

whatever you do it will cost you 10K-15K to rebuild.

zeenon53 · 12-15-2010, 12:46 PM

I'm surprised that a shot block from tisher is only 3700!

boostd92 · 12-15-2010, 12:53 PM

BMW is a little inconsistent with that term. "Short Engine" usually means a bare longblock in the ETK.

davedave1234 · 12-15-2010, 01:34 PM

I must be missing something because that link shows me $10K and $18K and Tisher shows me $9K. O well I wish/hope it is only $3700 if I did have a out of warranty issue :-P

tscdennab · 12-15-2010, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by davedave1234

I must be missing something because that link shows me $10K and $18K and Tisher shows me $9K. O well I wish/hope it is only $3700 if I did have a out of warranty issue :-P

You do miss something

Look up the part number for "rmfd short engine" which is 11000415044 at Tischer.

And I do believe it's the bare long block which is very nice. Bmw very rarely uses different pictures than the real part.

davedave1234 · 12-15-2010, 02:05 PM

Hmmm thats odd, I just did a model search and clicked on engine and it doesnt even have that as a option. Thats good news if something did go seriusly wrong after warranty.

klipseracer · 12-15-2010, 05:03 PM

short block typically means anything below the head. but again, wording here is critical. For 3700 I am doubting you'll have more than you think.

thread killer · 12-15-2010, 05:48 PM

sheesh lol

BMW's definition of a short engine/block is a engine block with fitted pistons. no rods/crank or any of that jazz. a block, 4/6/8/10/12 pistons, rings, pins and clips.

tscdennab · 12-16-2010, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by thread killer

sheesh lol

BMW's definition of a short engine/block is a engine block with fitted pistons. no rods/crank or any of that jazz. a block, 4/6/8/10/12 pistons, rings, pins and clips.

This is definitely not plausible. Because a "new" (not-remanufactured) short engine costs $15000 at Tischer. There is no way only a block and pistons would cost this much, even new.

enrita · 12-16-2010, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tscdennab

This is definitely not plausible. Because a "new" (not-remanufactured) short engine costs $15000 at Tischer. There is no way only a block and pistons would cost this much, even new.

yuo are wrong because thats what i payed for the block an pistons. i have posted all the parts and costs (in swedish SEK) in my turbo rebuild thread.

tscdennab · 12-16-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by enrita

yuo are wrong because thats what i payed for the block an pistons. i have posted all the parts and costs (in swedish SEK) in my turbo rebuild thread.

We all know swedish ripoff prices...no offense...

By the way, here is the answer from Tischer BMW:

"Hi Catalin,

BMWs terminology is a little misleading when it comes to engines. They refer to them as a short engine - but they are actually the complete engines.

11000415044 is a complete remanufactured engine."

So...good news...knock on wood though !

BrianMN · 12-16-2010, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tscdennab

We all know swedish ripoff prices...no offense...

By the way, here is the answer from Tischer BMW:

"Hi Catalin,

BMWs terminology is a little misleading when it comes to engines. They refer to them as a short engine - but they are actually the complete engines.

11000415044 is a complete remanufactured engine."

So...good news...knock on wood though !

So that means complete with heads, cams, cam covers, etc? If so that is awesome! What about HPPF, oil pump, pulleys/belts? It would be great if it came with all that, but I'm sure it wouldn't.

BrianMN · 12-16-2010, 01:19 PM

For $3700, that seems too good to be true.

enrita · 12-16-2010, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tscdennab

We all know swedish ripoff prices...no offense...

By the way, here is the answer from Tischer BMW:

"Hi Catalin,

BMWs terminology is a little misleading when it comes to engines. They refer to them as a short engine - but they are actually the complete engines.

11000415044 is a complete remanufactured engine."

So...good news...knock on wood though !

good luck than on your rumanian installation prices

BrianMN · 12-16-2010, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enrita

good luck than on your rumanian installation prices

If one has the right tools and equipment, and can do the engine swap themselves, this doesn't seem that much of a financial hit. Obviously if you want to get the head ported/polished and get everything matched, mated balanced would be a bit more, but if I were to burn a ringland or spin a crank bearing, $4000 is a pretty low price to pay to get a "new" engine.

tscdennab · 12-16-2010, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enrita

good luck than on your rumanian installation prices

You are laughing, but do you know how much they charged me here to install an intercooler ? $60. And the price to rebuild an engine is about $550

thread killer · 12-16-2010, 07:49 PM

ok to make this even more basic:

the rest of the world in laymens terms calls a short block a complete bottom end, minus sheetmetal and heads.

in BMW terms, its a block with fitted pistons.

a long block in the rest of the world in laymens terms is a complete bottom end with heads, minus sheetmetal.

in BMW terms, it is a complete engine with sheetmetal, spark plugs, minus accessories (alternator, power steering pump, exhaust, intake etc.etc.)

now, does THAT make sense?

BrianMN · 12-16-2010, 08:39 PM

What doesn't make sense is that they sell a block and 6 pistons/rings as a 'shortblock'.

However, with the email above, 11000415044 appears as if it is a Complete engine...which I interpret as:

Block
Crank/bearings
oil pan
piston/rings
connecting rods
heads/cams/valves
valve cover

probably no fuel items or ignition items. maybe HPFP.
definitely no A/C, power steering, or any other accessory.

However, $4000 for all that seems too good to be true.

ETS Michael · 12-17-2010, 12:46 AM

The best place to look for the guys in the US is car-part if your looking for a decent priced replacement motor.

Iwantm3 · 12-17-2010, 01:08 AM

That's a normal price for a used rebuild v6 engine.

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davedave1234 New Member 0 Rep 26 Posts Drives: 135i (on order) Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: South FL iTrader: (0)	Hmmm thats odd, I just did a model search and clicked on engine and it doesnt even have that as a option. Thats good news if something did go seriusly wrong after warranty.
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thread killer Banned 14 Rep 472 Posts Drives: faster then your car Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: pulling away iTrader: (3)	sheesh lol BMW's definition of a short engine/block is a engine block with fitted pistons. no rods/crank or any of that jazz. a block, 4/6/8/10/12 pistons, rings, pins and clips.
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thread killer Banned 14 Rep 472 Posts Drives: faster then your car Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: pulling away iTrader: (3)	ok to make this even more basic: the rest of the world in laymens terms calls a short block a complete bottom end, minus sheetmetal and heads. in BMW terms, its a block with fitted pistons. a long block in the rest of the world in laymens terms is a complete bottom end with heads, minus sheetmetal. in BMW terms, it is a complete engine with sheetmetal, spark plugs, minus accessories (alternator, power steering pump, exhaust, intake etc.etc.) now, does THAT make sense?
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BrianMN Banned 117 Rep 2,428 Posts Drives: 4 Door Family Sedan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Minneapolis iTrader: (7)	What doesn't make sense is that they sell a block and 6 pistons/rings as a 'shortblock'. However, with the email above, 11000415044 appears as if it is a Complete engine...which I interpret as: Block Crank/bearings oil pan piston/rings connecting rods heads/cams/valves valve cover probably no fuel items or ignition items. maybe HPFP. definitely no A/C, power steering, or any other accessory. However, $4000 for all that seems too good to be true.
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