[LOK11atXEDE]

ChipTorque has been designing, manufacturing, and tuning “Chips” for BMW and most other Auto makes since 1993. ChipTorque has designed, manufactured and refined the XEDE as a integratable Piggyback ECU system since 2002. Many other systems have copied the success and features of the XEDE, some even using the same case design and wiring plugs. Vishnu has been the sole distributor of XEDE for the entire US region for the last 4 years and we have welcomed their support and local knowledge. As of December 31st 2006, Vishnu Tuning no longer has exclusivity of distribution for the XEDE in the US market.

It was a surprise to us however to read on this very forum that Vishnu are going to use another manufacturer’s product in place of the XEDE to tune your vehicles, or indeed that there was ANY level of dissatisfaction with the XEDE product.

Be assured that the XEDE is alive and well and available for purchase for the BMW 335i, as well as Subaru STi/WRX & Forester, Mazdaspeed3, Miata & RX-8, Mitsubishi EVO, Nissan 350Z, Lotus Elise and more. Remember, only XEDE has “V3.2 Smart Tuning” functions built-in for the latest vehicle support.

Should anyone experience a difficulty in supply or support from Vishnu, the XEDE can be purchased directly from the Manufacturer of the XEDE, ChipTorque in Australia. Full support of the XEDE Processor is available for all products purchased from ChipTorque and Vishnu.

In the pipeline…..

ChipTorque is currently developing a new revision of XEDE with a whole new feature list which will include:- Direct USB connection for tuner interface, speed limit defeats, variable valve (Vanos) control and much more on top of, and to compliment, all the existing functions of the XEDE, which you as customers, Vishnu Tuning and many other users throughout the US market have relied on for the past five years.

ChipTorque Australia is currently expanding and reviewing our US dealer network and we will have additional US support for the famous XEDE with more local tuning shops throughout the US very soon.

We welcome customer feedback and suggestions and I would like to thank all the owners with XEDE's for their feedback and trust you're enjoying the use of our products. If you haven't purchased one yet and you are considering the many options, we would suggest that you ensure you are satisfied with the quality and durability of any alternate product that does not bear the XEDE brand name.



Lachlan Riddel
Technical Director
ChipTorque
www.chiptorque.com
www.xede.com.au

[modvp]

I am confused, how is the PROcede related to the xede?

[BMW320i]

didnt understand as well...

are u saying that Vishnu are using another product to tune the cars, not XEDE???

[modvp]

I think this post (below) explains it…Shiv is expanding the capabilities of the product.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=100

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Hi guys,
Keeping the Xede name isn't an option. The Xede was not our product. We were just the nerds in charge of distribution and US application development/tuning. The product itself belonged a an Australian company. During the last 4 years of supporting the Xede, we took it as far as we could go with it given the hardware. But with a limited number of inputs and outputs, we simply couldn't do things like VANOS control, speed limiter defeats, closed loop boost control, etc,--- all the things we KNEW that we wanted to eventually do with the 335i (as well as in other applications). This is why we only used the Xede platform as for beta testing. And this is why we only released a couple dozen of them. We knew we would have to replace every single one when the ante is upped. No one wants to be left with old technology.

The beta period gave us the time and info we needed to quantify and address whatever limitations/shortcomings we could find. Every single diagnostic code that we tripped (thanks again to the beta guys for their feedback and understanding!), every single loss of CAS sync we logged, ever single little glitch we found was going to be addressed by our own system. Something that had the hardware guts we needed to move forward with. The Xede is going through a major redesign later this year and there's a good chance that it'll be back in the playing field in a new-and-improved form.

But the show must go on. As for the name, all of the people we asked, months back, liked it. Of course, we're always open to suggestions. If someone has a better name, let's hear it!

cheers,
shiv

[turbojet3]

LOK11, Welcome to the forum

[sflgator]

Shiv @ Vishnu Performance Tuning was the U.S. distributor for the XEDE; now he's going with another "computer" box that he calls the PROcede...not that difficult to understand. However, I was under the impression that the XEDE was Shiv's invention; not the AUS company, ChipTorque's product. I guess this wasn't the case...my mistake though. However, its great to know that ChipTorque will continue support for the XEDE here in the U.S.; it's a great product!

[Walked U]

This is probably why shiv cant use the name xede for his software for the 335i?

[Ado]

I too was under the impression that Shiv developed the product until recently when he was wanting to change the name of it.

I am happy to hear that ChipTorque will continue to sell the product in the USA... ChipTorque, if people wanted to order the XEDE from you would you sell it and how much would it cost.

[Juggs]

interesting

[NaViT]

Originally Posted by Juggs

interesting

yea pretty interesting i didnt know all of this until now...

[max boost]

Originally Posted by Walked U

This is probably why shiv cant use the name xede for his software for the 335i?

ah...yeah

Originally Posted by Ado

I too was under the impression that Shiv developed the product until recently when he was wanting to change the name of it.

I am happy to hear that ChipTorque will continue to sell the product in the USA... ChipTorque, if people wanted to order the XEDE from you would you sell it and how much would it cost.

good question.........

[DrM]

The computer itself (XEDE, PROcede, whatever) isn't the most important thing. There are many piggy back computers available (eManage, etc) that could probably do the job.

The most important thing to remember is the fact that Shiv has spent HUNDREDS of hours reverse engineering the signals and codes from the 335 computer. He then used that information to tune the car for better performance. Without Shiv's work, the XEDE would be worthless to us.

Is Shiv doing stuff that won't/can't be replicated by other tuners? I doubt it.

But for whatever reason, Shiv appears to have a big lead in understanding the inner workings of the 335. It is his maps + the computer (XEDE, PROcede, whatever) that is of value to us.

[Aeroav8r]

Another reason why my car is staying stock - too much amibiguity, smoke and mirrors from vendors. No reason to take chances with a $50K car.

[grkm3]

I wonder how much more mid range power Shiv can make when he messes with the valve timing :rocks:

PS and I hope Shiv has a backup map that he hasnt even talked about yet just incase a few tuners go nuts with the stock ecu and make a little more power than he does.

[Ninjaneer]

Originally Posted by TS335i

Another reason why my car is staying stock - too much amibiguity, smoke and mirrors from vendors. No reason to take chances with a $50K car.

Not sure how you consider it ambiguity when Shiv himself (in the post someone quoted above) mentioned that the XEDE wasn't his and that he's moving to his own PROcede. Plus, with all the reports of XEDE/PROcede users who have seen Shiv in action, there's clarity and peace of mind in knowing that his product works.

Likewise ChipTorque's product has been tested and proven to deliver.

Though I don't hold it against you for being timid to mod a $50K car - I am too, till I'm satisfied with what I hear.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by DrM

The computer itself (XEDE, PROcede, whatever) isn't the most important thing. There are many piggy back computers available (eManage, etc) that could probably do the job.

The most important thing to remember is the fact that Shiv has spent HUNDREDS of hours reverse engineering the signals and codes from the 335 computer. He then used that information to tune the car for better performance. Without Shiv's work, the XEDE would be worthless to us.

Is Shiv doing stuff that won't/can't be replicated by other tuners? I doubt it.

But for whatever reason, Shiv appears to have a big lead in understanding the inner workings of the 335. It is his maps + the computer (XEDE, PROcede, whatever) that is of value to us.

Originally Posted by Ninjaneer

Not sure how you consider it ambiguity when Shiv himself (in the post someone quoted above) mentioned that the XEDE wasn't his and that he's moving to his own PROcede. Plus, with all the reports of XEDE/PROcede users who have seen Shiv in action, there's clarity and peace of mind in knowing that his product works.

Likewise ChipTorque's product has been tested and proven to deliver.

Though I don't hold it against you for being timid to mod a $50K car - I am too, till I'm satisfied with what I hear.

Yes, I agree that no matter the piggyback computer (XEDE, PROcede, or whatever), it's the understanding of the 335i's innerworkings and how to tweak the s/w maps so the computer hardware controls the engine in a more efficient (and more powerful) manner that's most important. So, still a big hats off to Shiv for spending the time and doing all of this.

[modvp]

Originally Posted by TS335i

Another reason why my car is staying stock - too much amibiguity, smoke and mirrors from vendors. No reason to take chances with a $50K car.

I really don’t see any ambiguity here now. Try getting those guys from chiptorque up here to tune you 50k car let alone to answer any questions you may have. I think Shiv has done and excellent job, he has spent a lot of time in the development of the xede/procede (what ever it’s now called) and is now taking it to a new level in terms of R&D.

[musc]

Shiv made it pretty clear that the Xede wasn't solely his product. The reason for going to PROcede was that they were limited on the variables they could tune with the old Xede package....hence the PROcede is born. It sounds like the makers the Xede will be updating there product to do the same things. I am sure they obviously are going to be losing some profit with Shiv switching.

So it looks like you'll have two products that will be similar, the PROcede and Xede. The PROcede still seems like the better choice right now as Shiv is constantly expanding it, and doing numerous dyno days. Time will tell as to how the new upgraded Xede works.

[grkm3]

Guys Shiv is the man...I can't believe how much time he has spent on these forums talking to us and answering all the question we throw at him...IM sure his PM box is full right now lol.

I can't name any tuners that would go this far out of there way to help us out and even go to far away places to tune peoples cars.

I sent Giac an e-mail right when the 335 came out and I got a resonce 2 months later saying that they didnt have any plans so far.At that time Shiv was answering all the questions I had on the board and I felt like he really cared about us and he didnt seem like a big shot huge company that just want to rush out a chip and basically bounce on us to another project.

Wheres all the Dinan techs at so we can ask them a billion questions?

[Jason]

Originally Posted by TS335i

Another reason why my car is staying stock - too much amibiguity, smoke and mirrors from vendors. No reason to take chances with a $50K car.

There's been no ambiguity, smoke or mirrors from Shiv. He fully explained the deal with the Xede product name - http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=100

And regarding the development of his PROcede product, he has pretty much provided background and updates on its development every step of the way (as seen in this FAQ - http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37494) .

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by grkm3

Guys Shiv is the man...I can't believe how much time he has spent on these forums talking to us and answering all the question we throw at him...IM sure his PM box is full right now lol.

I can't name any tuners that would go this far out of there way to help us out and even go to far away places to tune peoples cars.

I sent Giac an e-mail right when the 335 came out and I got a resonce 2 months later saying that they didnt have any plans so far.At that time Shiv was answering all the questions I had on the board and I felt like he really cared about us and he didnt seem like a big shot huge company that just want to rush out a chip and basically bounce on us to another project.

Wheres all the Dinan techs at so we can ask them a billion questions?

True, so true!

[MrRipfrog]

Well I tell you, I am confident with Shiv and his decision to go with a new unit; PROcede. And this Sunday I will be able to tell you all about it...:rocks:

It comes down to the individual person that makes something special. I know he has put a lot of time working on the 335i just by reading the hundreds of posts from him. The guy likes what he does and cares about it. He’s got my vote of confidence.