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      02-11-2007, 10:45 PM   #1
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PROcede 335i vs. modded V8 S4 and 335i with exhaust...

So while at Harman Motive a guy name David in a modded V8 S4 Tiptronic
swung by to say hi and wanted a ride in my car.
He apparently is ordering a 335i.

Well, after a few drive arounds he wanted to know how his S4 would do against my now PROceded 335i.

His S4 has intake, full exhaust, REVO chip tuned and I'm not sure what else.

Well, I EASILY walked him.
We did 3 runs.
One from a stop...(no brake torque launching) to about 100 mph.
I had him by 5 car lengths.

One from 20-100 mph (2nd gear start)..had him by 4 car lengths.

One from 40-100 mph (3rd gear start) I took him by 2.5+ car lengths.

The PROcede 335i just walks that car.


Now, my buddy Kujo which most of you know and I did a couple runs too.
He has a prototype catless full back exhaust on his car. We both have step sedans.
When my car was stock we ran and from 10-90 mph he pulled close to one car length on me. We were pretty even until about 40 mph then his car started to pull. By 90 my front bumper was around his rear tire to rear bumper. Both of our cars were hot then, he just did a few donuts and hard runs and I had just returned from a 90 mile road trip to Santa Barbara where I was occasionally blasting up to 120 mph.

Now we did the same 10-90 mph run with my PROceded car.
My car was boiling hot, as I had just gave my wife a run in the newly chipped car, then let Kujo drive it himself.
His car was ice cold as we drove it out of his garage and a mile down the street for the runs.
But even so in the 10-90 mph run I still pulled about 2.5 car lengths on him.
And that was with me spinning all through 2nd gear. I spun so much that I really didn't start to pull on him until I hit about 40-ish mph and I got traction.
Had my car been cold too, it would of been 3-3.5 car lengths.

That means the PROceded 335i would probably pull 4-4.5 car lengths on a stock 335i from a 10-90 mph run. That's huge over such a short distance.

This newly PROceded 335i is fast. Gobs of midrange power.
The power between 3000-5000 rpm is where it's most impressive.
Just lurches forward.

This car will easily walk away from a 01-06 M3 and with the LSD install (hopefully soon) we can actually get traction a bit better and pull even more.
What a ball, best $1300 mod ever spent.

I have no reason to doubt Shiv's claim of high 12's @ 111-112 mph even with the Steptronic.
The manuals might be making 10+ hp and 5-10 ft lbs more torque, but I'm doubting if that's enough to make up for the speed of the shifts in the step.

I'd like to do some runs with a PROceded or two 335i Manual and we'll all find out.
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So while at Harman Motive a guy name David in a modded V8 S4 Tiptronic
swung by to say hi and wanted a ride in my car.
He apparently is ordering a 335i.

Well, after a few drive arounds he wanted to know how his S4 would do against my now PROceded 335i.

His S4 has intake, full exhaust, REVO chip tuned and I'm not sure what else.

Well, I EASILY walked him.
We did 3 runs.
One from a stop...(no brake torque launching) to about 100 mph.
I had him by 5 car lengths.

One from 20-100 mph (2nd gear start)..had him by 4 car lengths.

One from 40-100 mph (3rd gear start) I took him by 2.5+ car lengths.

The PROcede 335i just walks that car.


Now, my buddy Kujo which most of you know and I did a couple runs too.
He has a prototype catless full back exhaust on his car. We both have step sedans.
When my car was stock we ran and from 10-90 mph he pulled close to one car length on me. We were pretty even until about 40 mph then his car started to pull. By 90 my front bumper was around his rear tire to rear bumper. Both of our cars were hot then, he just did a few donuts and hard runs and I had just returned from a 90 mile road trip to Santa Barbara where I was occasionally blasting up to 120 mph.

Now we did the same 10-90 mph run with my PROceded car.
My car was boiling hot, as I had just gave my wife a run in the newly chipped car, then let Kujo drive it himself.
His car was ice cold as we drove it out of his garage and a mile down the street for the runs.
But even so in the 10-90 mph run I still pulled about 2.5 car lengths on him.
And that was with me spinning all through 2nd gear. I spun so much that I really didn't start to pull on him until I hit about 40-ish mph and I got traction.
Had my car been cold too, it would of been 3-3.5 car lengths.

That means the PROceded 335i would probably pull 4-4.5 car lengths on a stock 335i from a 10-90 mph run. That's huge over such a short distance.

This newly PROceded 335i is fast. Gobs of midrange power.
The power between 3000-5000 rpm is where it's most impressive.
Just lurches forward.

This car will easily walk away from a 01-06 M3 and with the LSD install (hopefully soon) we can actually get traction a bit better and pull even more.
What a ball, best $1300 mod ever spent.

I have no reason to doubt Shiv's claim of high 12's @ 111-112 mph even with the Steptronic.
The manuals might be making 10+ hp and 5-10 ft lbs more torque, but I'm doubting if that's enough to make up for the speed of the shifts in the step.

I'd like to do some runs with a PROceded or two 335i Manual and we'll all find out.
Nice...thanks for sharing. btw -- I have a feeling that although the PROcede-equipped 335i MT might make a little more HP/TQ than a PROcede-equipped 335i AT, I bet they would either be even or the AT might actually come out front b/c it may be able to get a better launch. It seems the XEDE/PROcede-equipped 335i MT's are having even more difficulties launching than similarly equipped 335i AT's. Plus, like you said, these AT's shift soooo freakin fast; they're so efficient and smooth.
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Driver 72 I just ordered my procede

after reading this i just pull out my credit card and just ordered no second guessing at al
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Cool write up. Ive raced one when I was stock on the freeway from a 60 mph roll, and walked it by 3-4 CL's. It was an manual.


60-110 mph, or so.


You know tho b6 s4 tips are slow. Dramaticly slower than the manual.
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Cool write up. Ive raced one when I was stock on the freeway from a 60 mph roll, and walked it by 3-4 CL's. It was an manual.

You know tho b6 s4 tips are slow. Dramaticly slower than the manual.

60-110 mph, or so.

True, my buddy has a tip S4, it was never close from any point, but pulling on a stock 335I by 4.5 CL's is very impressive!

Easily pull on an M3? Hmmmm, not to sure about that. A stock one, no doubt.

I wonder if that was David Sarabi who pulled up in that S4, haha. He's a longtime Audi/VW tuner, same cat who sells those Big Turbo kits for my buds A4 and that Big Turbo GTI and Charlie's record breaking Avant A4.
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Easily pull on an M3? Hmmmm, not to sure about that. A stock one, no doubt.


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hahahahah ass
haha, hey from a 1st gear roll next time, then you can celebrate.
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nice story man!! Dropping the idea of getting a S4
I had a B6 S4, with intake, exhaust, and a chip it made 260 whp

Its a great car, and the interior is amazing but its not a fast car.
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Now a run in with an RS4 would be more interesting!!!!! But see, if you're going there, you're at the $70k+ sports car range; not exactly Lambo/Ferrari/Porsche 911 Turbo/Porsche GT3 territory, but still all very exciting nonetheless!

btw - My family and I were at a local, upscale outdoor shopping/restaurants hangout in the Palm Beach area today, and we saw 3 of these very cool sports cars...

...and yes, one was that lime green (the Gallardo, I think) and two were black (the Murciélago). Nice sight to see!
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Now a run in with an RS4 would be more interesting!!!!!
I think a Procede equipped 335i MT would take it, the rs4 only has 317 ft lbs of tq to the motor! Either way the RS4 is $70k+ and for that money you can buy a 335i, do a turbo swap and smoke a lot of cars out there...
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Yeah, I know the stock S4 Tips are pretty slow.
Kujo had one and I hung right with him with my Stock Legacy GT
when our cars were stock. He started to ever so slightly pull on me.

But even the manual S4's weren't much faster as in 1st and into 2nd gear I'd run with it (actually a 1/2 car length in front).
But by 50 mph it would pull up to me and by 100 it would be 1.5 car length in front.

But David stated his car is faster than a stock 335i
I don't think it is. Even with his mods, I beat him worse than I beat Kujo
with his full back exhaust 335i.

I think David's modded S4 tip would run neck and neck with a stock 335i.

Keep in mind these runs were only to 90-100 mph.
My PROceded car would of pulled another car length had it been a full 1/4 mile run.

That's probably a solid 5 car lengths on a stock 335i sedan (step vs. step) or about 4 car lengths on a stock M3.

Shiv's PROcede is great.
With a full exhaust, LSD, and custom tune, the 335i would be all a stock M5 could handle and be a driver's race.
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By the way, wanted to add, David with the S4 was a super nice guy.
Very appreciative and actually excited about the performance of the Proceded 335i.
He said, "it's the first time I was happy to lose a race."

He will no doubt have a Proceded 335i soon enough.
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Now a run in with an RS4 would be more interesting!!!!!
Even a stock 335 should hang with an RS4 based on times that i've seen in mags anyway.
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I had a B6 S4, with intake, exhaust, and a chip it made 260 whp

Its a great car, and the interior is amazing but its not a fast car.
My buddy made 320WHP with all the bolt on and hit 13.2 at 103, so they can be fast with the right mods.
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Yeah, I know the stock S4 Tips are pretty slow.
Kujo had one and I hung right with him with my Stock Legacy GT
when our cars were stock. He started to ever so slightly pull on me.

But even the manual S4's weren't much faster as in 1st and into 2nd gear I'd run with it (actually a 1/2 car length in front).
But by 50 mph it would pull up to me and by 100 it would be 1.5 car length in front.

But David stated his car is faster than a stock 335i
I don't think it is. Even with his mods, I beat him worse than I beat Kujo
with his full back exhaust 335i.

I think David's modded S4 tip would run neck and neck with a stock 335i.

Keep in mind these runs were only to 90-100 mph.
My PROceded car would of pulled another car length had it been a full 1/4 mile run.

That's probably a solid 5 car lengths on a stock 335i sedan (step vs. step) or about 4 car lengths on a stock M3.

Shiv's PROcede is great.
With a full exhaust, LSD, and custom tune, the 335i would be all a stock M5 could handle and be a driver's race.

Not much of a chance that you would run with a stock M5. With some DR's the 1/4 mile might be a good run though.

Also stock 335I would have no chance against the RS4, unless you were at high elevation.

I will be setting up a run with "Walked U's" 335I procede and an RS4, Stage 3 S4 and a (GIAC chipped) 997S. Those runs will be very interesting.
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Now a run in with an RS4 would be more interesting!!!!!
Hahah that can be arranged.
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Not much of a chance that you would run with a stock M5. With some DR's the 1/4 mile might be a good run though.

Also stock 335I would have no chance against the RS4, unless you were at high elevation.

I will be setting up a run with "Walked U's" 335I procede and an RS4, Stage 3 S4 and a (GIAC chipped) 997S. Those runs will be very interesting.
Ya im with drew, maybe with dr's exhaust, and good launch it would be a good 1/4 mile run.

But seriously those m5's on a roll are fucking insane. they just breathe so well on top end.

Im all up for the procede 335i as much as the next 335i owner. But come on guys lets not let this get to our heads hahah
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Im the S4 that got smoked today..

Just wanted to say thanks to Mike who was kind enough to give me a ride (Car really pulls) and then took the time to compare our cars. Needless to say I'm so happy I have my ED set and now know that my choice is a good one.

It was great meeting all of you and look forward to getting together in the future. Good to see Shiv again, it had been awhile, not since he did my Evo, same detailed and enthusiastic guy.

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My prototype exhaust is just a 'cat back', as it runs from the DPs back.

a 'Full Back exhaust' consists of hi flow DPs as well.
When we put hi flow DPs on this bitch, it's gonnna get another 30-40 HP easy, as the stock DPs are VERY restrictive !!!

Just to clarify the difference......

Cat back system with center cat delete and no tune is probably 20whp or so.

When I have the full back and tune...... step back..... ;- )
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cool threads. plz keep posting these, they are great reading and really give real world results that are hard to come by for alot of us.

keep up the great work!!
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My prototype exhaust is just a 'cat back', as it runs from the DPs back.

a 'Full Back exhaust' consists of hi flow DPs as well.
When we put hi flow DPs on this bitch, it's gonnna get another 30-40 HP easy, as the stock DPs are VERY restrictive !!!

Just to clarify the difference......

Cat back system with center cat delete and no tune is probably 20whp or so.

When I have the full back and tune...... step back..... ;- )
I don't know what those mods will actually gain, but they were huge on the B5 S4 and you are totally right this is just the beginning for the 335I, with the procede and those supplemental mods, it's going to flat out fly.
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