[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Just read a little good news for those of you stuck with flash tuning but wanting more power.

The JB4 can basically filter out the flash tuning and deliver them normal JB4 like performance. We have a couple guys testing it now and it works very well. Same principle that is used with the 335is, BMW power kit, etc. Getting a flash, being disappointed with the performance, and throwing a JB4 on top of it is not the cheapest way to go but it is a viable option.

This attached log shows the Dinan target and the revised JB4 target.

[Penn999]

Nice work, I told Shiv I thought this could be done but he said it would be rather expensive which is correct, but its a viable option. Good work Mike

[bulldog_yyc]

good to have options but as the post states, anyone going down this road clearly did not do enough research on the benefit vs. cost of dinan

[poloace]

I am schedule to reflash my car with the dinan stage 2. already had paid for it... but, need to reinstall since the new December ECU flash from
bmw. bmw is saying it'll cost me 100 buck to reflash. is it worth it? or, should i pick up the jb4?

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by poloace

I am schedule to reflash my car with the dinan stage 2. already had paid for it... but, need to reinstall since the new December ECU flash from
bmw. bmw is saying it'll cost me 100 buck to reflash. is it worth it? or, should i pick up the jb4?

dont reflash if you dont want to, jb4 will be better in term of power for sure. dinan if for those guys that dont want to deal with bmws warranty issues. They can be sticklers sometimes, find a good SA and tech and you will be fine.

[mkPOTO]

this is good news, i had to get my flash taken off for jb3, but now i can leave it on which is great!

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by poloace

I am schedule to reflash my car with the dinan stage 2. already had paid for it... but, need to reinstall since the new December ECU flash from
bmw. bmw is saying it'll cost me 100 buck to reflash. is it worth it? or, should i pick up the jb4?

Why not try the JB4, as it comes with a 14-day guarantee and if you don't like it you can flash back to Dinan and get a full refund.

Mike

[poloace]

would there be any gain to the dinan reflash and jb superimposed?

[mkPOTO]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Why not try the JB4, as it comes with a 14-day guarantee and if you don't like it you can flash back to Dinan and get a full refund.

Mike

AGREED! wait does this mean that you can purchase Jb4?!?
Coming for a ex-Dinan user I recommend trying out Jb3-4 it is highly recommended and for the price worth it

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by poloace

would there be any gain to the dinan reflash and jb superimposed?

yes, meth integration, power above what dinan's flash would give. I would think that this would keep the dme a bit happier, mike is that correct?

[atlharry]

Originally Posted by Penn999

yes, meth integration, power above what dinan's flash would give. I would think that this would keep the dme a bit happier, mike is that correct?

I think what he meant was - Is there any advantage to having the dinan tune as the base for the JB4? Rather than, "will the JB4 offer advantages over the dinan tune?"

To which - No, no advantage.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by atlharry

I think what he meant was - Is there any advantage to having the dinan tune as the base for the JB4? Rather than, "will the JB4 offer advantages over the dinan tune?"

To which - No, no advantage.

That what I was saying advantages of both. Why not? you dont think dinan would better control the dme?

[atlharry]

Originally Posted by Penn999

That what I was saying advantages of both. Why not? you dont think dinan would better control the dme?

yeah, actually, I got to thinking about it afterwards and since the JB doesn't have true timing control (hope this post doesn't get deleted), the altered dme tables would probably be beneficial to a point - at least until you exceed the dinan load targets.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by atlharry

yeah, actually, I got to thinking about it afterwards and since the JB doesn't have true timing control (hope this post doesn't get deleted), the altered dme tables would probably be beneficial to a point - at least until you exceed the dinan load targets.

Thats what I thought. It would be expensive but probably the best of both worlds until you climbed up to higher and higher psi, then the dinan flash would be rendered useless.

[I335]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Just read a little good news for those of you stuck with flash tuning but wanting more power.

Interesting..., are there a lot of flashed folks feeling that they're "stuck" with their flash these days?

What about adding a JB4 to a GIAC flash - will that work too?

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by atlharry

yeah, actually, I got to thinking about it afterwards and since the JB doesn't have true timing control (hope this post doesn't get deleted), the altered dme tables would probably be beneficial to a point - at least until you exceed the dinan load targets.

The Dinan advance set points are similar to the stock ones. They just use the long term adaption trims as the JB does.

I can't think of any advantage in running the Dinan+JB4 vs. just the JB4. This is simply an option for those stuck with the Dinan tuning and wanting more power at a reasonable price. @ $ 529 a full JB4 PnP costs half that of a Dinan intake.

Mike

[poloace]

i have purchased my ride. so, for me - i wanted some reassurance that if anything were to go wrong with the car, it would be warrantied. to the poster that stated i 'didn't do enough research' - i beg your pardon, as you are highly mistaken.

that said, i am kind of miffed that BMW wants me to fork out 100 bucks for the 'technician fee' to reprogram my car. that was not part of my understanding when i purchased the ECU flash. i think i'm still going to go the route of the reflash for the time being... when its 4 years old, i'll consider other options.

what else can i do to get solid HP/response gains that won't break the bank? what have people found the most useful?

p

[MarkRacerX]

Nice options, as I wouldn't shell out the funds for a Dinan tune, my car came with it already on it. So may as well keep it on the car / maintain warranty.

Sadly I had HPFP issue and my map is gone, but stating I can visit any Dinan BMW dealership to have it put back on for free. Sadly the nearest is across the state!!

So once removed the Dinan map will still remain on the car? What a win/win for more Power and not lose current map. As when time comes nice selling point is Dinan map already on car / warranty.

Keep up the Great work!!

[atlharry]

Originally Posted by MarkRacerX

Nice options, as I wouldn't shell out the funds for a Dinan tune, my car came with it already on it. So may as well keep it on the car / maintain warranty.

Sadly I had HPFP issue and my map is gone, but stating I can visit any Dinan BMW dealership to have it put back on for free. Sadly the nearest is across the state!!

So once removed the Dinan map will still remain on the car? What a win/win for more Power and not lose current map. As when time comes nice selling point is Dinan map already on car / warranty.

Keep up the Great work!!

Keep in mind that any piggyback solution will allow for this. JB+, JB3/4, JB Pro (when it comes out) and Procede all do not alter the DME itself (only the flash tunes do that). Only the signals from various sensors are being adjusted.

Your Dinan flash would be safe.

[atlharry]

Originally Posted by poloace

i have purchased my ride. so, for me - i wanted some reassurance that if anything were to go wrong with the car, it would be warrantied. to the poster that stated i 'didn't do enough research' - i beg your pardon, as you are highly mistaken.

that said, i am kind of miffed that BMW wants me to fork out 100 bucks for the 'technician fee' to reprogram my car. that was not part of my understanding when i purchased the ECU flash. i think i'm still going to go the route of the reflash for the time being... when its 4 years old, i'll consider other options.

what else can i do to get solid HP/response gains that won't break the bank? what have people found the most useful?

p

If you are worried about warranty, I would just stick with what you have. No reason to pay Dinan prices specifically to maintain (or in this case, gain) a warranty and then risk voiding it by adding things like downpipes, meth, etc. Your biggest bang for the buck came from the tune itself.

[BQTuning]

LMAO ! Right after I sent Terry Burger an email about this same question in the OP now Mike make a post with almost the same identicle answer.

Mike - Did you an Terry just talk about this or something ? LOL...awesome, feel so much better now seeing soo much support.

Edit: A question was asked, which I never got a change to reply to, why dont I flash back to stock BMW software ? If I or anyone was to do that then they would know somethings up cause they know how I am about my car, and they know the car too well.

Leave the Dinan on as a camouflage for the JB4. If I intend to sell the car later I can sell it with the Dinan and get back my money. The car will sell at a higher value with the Dinan.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by turkish335

good to have options but as the post states, anyone going down this road clearly did not do enough research on the benefit vs. cost of dinan

Actually it would work out better for us in the long run. See my previous post. Its expensive but guess what, I would still be covered. The reason why I didnt go with JB3 before is because I didnt not like their torque, H2O pump, and knock results vs Dinan. Since they are now able to work around or bypass the Dinan if give me more confidence in their product.

The guys for the PROcede just knocked down my request. Kudos to Terry who went further with it and landed with positive results.