[Driver72]

Shiv,

I know you mentioned it a time or two at the dyno day, but don't recall
when you said you'd get us these remotes?

Do you have a time frame on them?
These remotes will allow us to switch back to "stock" mode for servicing without removing the PROcede correct?

Thanks.

[Ninjaneer]

Shiv while you're at it, let us know if we have to order these separately in the future if we have PROcede on order and est. cost.

[010101]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Shiv,

I know you mentioned it a time or two at the dyno day, but don't recall
when you said you'd get us these remotes?

Do you have a time frame on them?
These remotes will allow us to switch back to "stock" mode for servicing without removing the PROcede correct?

Thanks.

What happens if the dealer looks under the hood? Screwing with the ECU on a turbo car would be just cause to void the entire powertrain warranty. I'd just take it off.

[DrM]

Originally Posted by 010101

What happens if the dealer looks under the hood? Screwing with the ECU on a turbo car would be just cause to void the entire powertrain warranty. I'd just take it off.

The PROcede is located under plastic covers next to the factory ECU. It is not possible to see the PROcede without removing those covers. They would need to suspect something before they started looking there.

However, as you indicated, if the dealer finds a PROcede or other ECU modification (flash, etc.) it is POSSIBLE for them to void your warranty on powertrain components.

As discussed before, technically the dealer can only void your warranty on parts where they can prove that the after market part caused the failure. From a practical standpoint, you have very little leverage if they decide to void part/all of your warranty.

As always, if you are worried about these things, don't buy the PROcede or other modifications.

Good luck!

[BlueLion]

but its suppose to be so simple to remove....its not worth the risk

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by BlueLion

but its suppose to be so simple to remove....its not worth the risk

It isn't as simple as you think.
I watched Shiv install it on mine and one other guys car.

It requires taking off several engine cover parts just to GET to the ECU.
Then the PROcede has about 8-10 wires that "replace" 8-10 wires in two different control blocks.

Even a BMW tech not having done it before would need a solid 1/2 hour to do it.
I would suspect a first time owner would need an hour to take it out and an hour to put it back in.
And that would be with a step by step picture guide or the video that Shiv is working on to send out to all of us.

True, if you are taking in your car to have engine work, I would remove it.
If you are taking it in because of a squeeky wheel or rattle or oil change...then simply using the remote to switch it back to stock is all you'd need. They will never pull your engine covers apart and take off two ECU covers and then start looking into the ECU to find the PROcede if they suspect nothing.
Furthermore, do you really think the hourly worker technicians really give a rats a$$ about it???
Chances are no way.

Anyway, I'm sure Shiv will respond to this thread and let us know about the remotes when he gets some spare time.

[Ninjaneer]

Originally Posted by Driver72

It isn't as simple as you think.

I haven't seen this personally but since PROcede hooks up to the ECU (same compartment, covering location) then going by the pictures in the DIY - ECU Removal thread, I'd agree that it'd take a bit to get to it.

In reality though, hopefully no one would have to go to the dealer for service SO OFTEN that this becomes a frequent concern.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by Ninjaneer

I haven't seen this personally but since PROcede hooks up to the ECU (same compartment, covering location) then going by the pictures in the DIY - ECU Removal thread, I'd agree that it'd take a bit to get to it.

In reality though, hopefully no one would have to go to the dealer for service SO OFTEN that this becomes a frequent concern.

Well, to be honest, I wouldn't want to take it out for simple oil changes or baisc service issues. That's what I'd want the remote for anyway.
Again, if I had an engine or drivetrain issue, then surely it would be removed. But as you stated, hopefully that would be extremely INfrequent to never.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Driver72

It isn't as simple as you think.
I watched Shiv install it on mine and one other guys car.

It requires taking off several engine cover parts just to GET to the ECU.
Then the PROcede has about 8-10 wires that "replace" 8-10 wires in two different control blocks.

Even a BMW tech not having done it before would need a solid 1/2 hour to do it.
I would suspect a first time owner would need an hour to take it out and an hour to put it back in.
And that would be with a step by step picture guide or the video that Shiv is working on to send out to all of us.

True, if you are taking in your car to have engine work, I would remove it.
If you are taking it in because of a squeeky wheel or rattle or oil change...then simply using the remote to switch it back to stock is all you'd need. They will never pull your engine covers apart and take off two ECU covers and then start looking into the ECU to find the PROcede if they suspect nothing.
Furthermore, do you really think the hourly worker technicians really give a rats a$$ about it???
Chances are no way.

Anyway, I'm sure Shiv will respond to this thread and let us know about the remotes when he gets some spare time.

FWIW, there are only 4 wires that you intercept with the PROceed. The other two are for ground and power. The ground just loops onto a bolt in the engine bay. The power just jumpers off the main fuse next to your ECU. The whole job, once the ecu is exposed, can be done in under 5 minutes. I've timed myself at 2 min 45 sec to be precise

Exposing the ECU takes about as long and brings the total PROcede install time to about 5 min if you've done it before. If you've not done it before and want to take your time, it will take more time. But anyway you look at it, there is only 5 minutes of actual work involved.

As for the remote control, we'll release it after we get a bunch of PROcedes out. First things first. No need to complicate matters just yet.

-shiv

[Driver72]

Thanks Shiv.

In that case, just in case I do have to take it to the dealer, do you have the step by step video or manual or something for us??

Meant to ask another question at the dyno day event.
When you do updates, how will I upload them to my PROcede?

Thanks

[010101]

Originally Posted by DrM

The PROcede is located under plastic covers next to the factory ECU. It is not possible to see the PROcede without removing those covers. They would need to suspect something before they started looking there.

However, as you indicated, if the dealer finds a PROcede or other ECU modification (flash, etc.) it is POSSIBLE for them to void your warranty on powertrain components.

As discussed before, technically the dealer can only void your warranty on parts where they can prove that the after market part caused the failure. From a practical standpoint, you have very little leverage if they decide to void part/all of your warranty.

As always, if you are worried about these things, don't buy the PROcede or other modifications.

Good luck!

Since this is a very common mod on these cars I wouldn't be surprised if they took a look. I personally wouldn't want to bet my warranty on it.

Increasing boost and power significantly puts a lot more stress on virtually every component of the powertrain/drivetrain. If your car has 100 more ft lbs of torque than stock and your clutch dies why should BMW have to replace it? I think any mod that increases boost is justification to void the entire power train warranty. Not everyone may agree with that, but why put your warranty at risk? Just take it out.

[DrDomer]

Originally Posted by 010101

Since this is a very common mod on these cars I wouldn't be surprised if they took a look. I personally wouldn't want to bet my warranty on it.

Increasing boost and power significantly puts a lot more stress on virtually every component of the powertrain/drivetrain. If your car has 100 more ft lbs of torque than stock and your clutch dies why should BMW have to replace it? I think any mod that increases boost is justification to void the entire power train warranty. Not everyone may agree with that, but why put your warranty at risk? Just take it out.

I wouldn't call this a common mod in the big scheme of things. The majority of 3 series sold are 328's. The majority of 335's are never modded. I know there are only two 335's in my whole area. Mine will have the Procede. The techs at the garage know nothing about the Procede. My dealer had never heard of it. My salesman wants me to get it, and guarantee's it won't be an issue with warranty coverage if I just take it out if anything major happens. Maybe I'm being naive, but it's not like the tech's are sitting up at night worrying about modded 335's. How many Procede's have been installed? 30? How many total in the next few months? 200? Just be smart going to do service. Oil change not an issue. Tranny cooked.. an issue.

[010101]

Originally Posted by DrDomer

I wouldn't call this a common mod in the big scheme of things. The majority of 3 series sold are 328's. The majority of 335's are never modded. I know there are only two 335's in my whole area. Mine will have the Procede. The techs at the garage know nothing about the Procede. My dealer had never heard of it. My salesman wants me to get it, and guarantee's it won't be an issue with warranty coverage if I just take it out if anything major happens. Maybe I'm being naive, but it's not like the tech's are sitting up at night worrying about modded 335's. How many Procede's have been installed? 30? How many total in the next few months? 200? Just be smart going to do service. Oil change not an issue. Tranny cooked.. an issue.

You are correct that Procede isn't very common yet. As I understand it it is very new and still in the testing stage. ECU type mods will be the most common performance mod on the 335i though. That is the most common mod on most new turbo cars. It gives you the biggest gain for the money. It also puts a lot more strain on the engine and the rest of the drive train though. If BMW catches on and realizes they are shelling out big money to fix problems caused by mods I'm betting they will start checking. Anyway..... even if there was only a 10% chance they were gonna look.... why risk your warranty?