UPGRADED TURBOS Discussion thread

enrita · 03-08-2011, 05:02 PM

Opening this to post logs, dynoes, discuss options , technology, installation and anything related to BIG Turbos and the BIG POWA!

Rotorocious · 03-08-2011, 05:07 PM

Waiting for new dyno sheets.
450rwhp for $3000 isn't impressing me. Guess they need to figure out fueling?

dzenno · 03-08-2011, 05:07 PM

Awesome...i'll do some datalogs and post up tonight...right now its rush hour, bumper to bumper traffic

dzenno · 03-08-2011, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rotorocious

Waiting for new dyno sheets.
450rwhp for $3000 isn't impressing me. Guess they need to figure out fueling?

450 is pump gas no meth no race gas 16psi...hard to impress?

jpsimon · 03-08-2011, 05:09 PM

I have baby-upgraded turbos, but I'll still contribute.. here's the latest log of mine from february.

pump 93 only, 100% ign. correction. This is one of the pre-beta dic maps if I remember correctly

here are a couple meth logs from october (sorry don't remember the firmware/software i was using at the time). this was with a CM10 nozzle

dzenno · 03-08-2011, 05:10 PM

great looking logs JP..can you guys add the firmware/maps versions as well...

enrita · 03-08-2011, 05:11 PM

Procede V5 2-14 maps:

PUMP GAS 94 - Temp 32
UT70
Ic50

PUMP GAS 94 - and METH Temp 32
UT70
Ic50

Another 3rd with Meth
IC100
UT75

Brey335i · 03-08-2011, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rotorocious

Waiting for new dyno sheets.
450rwhp for $3000 isn't impressing me. Guess they need to figure out fueling?

$3000 isn't bad when you consider the fact that the e46 M3 gains only a couple of horsepower from $1000 headers

zeenon53 · 03-08-2011, 05:19 PM

What does e90post consider to be big turbo's?

jpsimon · 03-08-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by zeenon53

What does e90post consider to be big turbo's?

anything other than stock at this point... modified stock turbos, or the mythological single turbo setup.

anonemouse · 03-08-2011, 05:24 PM

Dzenno in the other thread you asked "anonemouse, are you misfiring up top as well? have any datalogs to share?"

No obvious misfires so far, but only pushed it to around 14.5PSI. I'll push it more when I am confident it is running fine there. Got some datalogs from before I modified the settings to compensate for the stiff wastegates, also didn't disable the DTC so those logs are useless.

Everytime I go out to log it either starts raining or get no break in local traffic to get some good logs. Will try again this week though, otherwise I am sure Shiv will post some of the Dyno runs when he takes my car.

A.

jpsimon · 03-08-2011, 05:29 PM

just added some meth logs to my original post

anonemouse · 03-08-2011, 05:30 PM

I should say even at 14.5PSI on 93 with Shiv's last map the car is a whole lot of fun, on the way to work I pulled a surprise on an overly agressive M5 that was riding my bumper letting me know he was there. Gotta love that 335 Torque.

A.

dzenno · 03-08-2011, 05:36 PM

So it seems I'm the only one misfiring up top of the upgraded turbo guys so far? A few others that also misfire aren't running upgraded...might actually not be boost related?? Or am I wrong..

Anonemouse, when you say 14.5psi you really mean 45% UT value right? Default map2 2-14firmware?

jpsimon · 03-08-2011, 05:39 PM

The only time I had misfire issues was when one of my injectors died, and the car would misfire at idle.

Rotorocious · 03-08-2011, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzenno

450 is pump gas no meth no race gas 16psi...hard to impress?

500 yes.
I'd say most FBO car's run close to ~400-420 whp, right?
An additional 30-50 whp doesn't seem worth it. Maybe if you tacked on meth on it and were able to make more.

It's about more than peak numbers tho, I guess. That's just what I look at first.

anonemouse · 03-08-2011, 05:42 PM

"Anonemouse, when you say 14.5psi you really mean 45% UT value right? Default map2 2-14firmware?"

Yes.

A.

jpsimon · 03-08-2011, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rotorocious

500 yes.
I'd say most FBO car's run close to ~400-420 whp, right?
An additional 30-50 whp doesn't seem worth it. Maybe if you tacked on meth on it and were able to make more.

It's about more than peak numbers tho, I guess. That's just what I look at first.

power under the curve is far more important than glory-peak runs which push the stock turbos far beyond what they were designed to run. The RB's look to produce around 450whp at only 16psi, which is very conservative/repeatable.... and that is to nearly redline.

Rotorocious · 03-08-2011, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpsimon

power under the curve is far more important than glory-peak runs which push the stock turbos far beyond what they were designed to run. The RB's look to produce around 450whp at only 16psi, which is very conservative/repeatable.... and that is to nearly redline.

I hear ya. Just curious what they can make once they get cranked up.

FoxFire74 · 03-08-2011, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpsimon

The only time I had misfire issues was when one of my injectors died, and the car would misfire at idle.

I thought you had tied your mifires to the cooler ngk plugs..No?

enrita · 03-08-2011, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rotorocious

I hear ya. Just curious what they can make once they get cranked up.

Dzenno did 511 whp on Race gas and meth and 19psi, repeatable but you dont want to run that on only meth for safety and the fuel system is basically maxed out than.

This is a VERY fast car at only 16 psi and pump all the way to redline. you would kill almost anything with it i think and still have plenty of safety margin. Spray a bit on top of that and you are golden.

jpsimon · 03-08-2011, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxFire74

I thought you had tied your mifires to the cooler ngk plugs..No?

No the big problem with the NGK plugs was a lot of weird timing dropouts that I never had before

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anonemouse Private First Class 16 Rep 159 Posts Drives: Santorini Blue F80 M3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NorCal iTrader: (0)	Dzenno in the other thread you asked "anonemouse, are you misfiring up top as well? have any datalogs to share?" No obvious misfires so far, but only pushed it to around 14.5PSI. I'll push it more when I am confident it is running fine there. Got some datalogs from before I modified the settings to compensate for the stiff wastegates, also didn't disable the DTC so those logs are useless. Everytime I go out to log it either starts raining or get no break in local traffic to get some good logs. Will try again this week though, otherwise I am sure Shiv will post some of the Dyno runs when he takes my car. A. Last edited by anonemouse; 03-08-2011 at 05:38 PM..
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anonemouse Private First Class 16 Rep 159 Posts Drives: Santorini Blue F80 M3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NorCal iTrader: (0)	I should say even at 14.5PSI on 93 with Shiv's last map the car is a whole lot of fun, on the way to work I pulled a surprise on an overly agressive M5 that was riding my bumper letting me know he was there. Gotta love that 335 Torque. A.
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dzenno Banned 298 Rep 5,876 Posts Drives: Join Date: Feb 2006 iTrader: (1)	So it seems I'm the only one misfiring up top of the upgraded turbo guys so far? A few others that also misfire aren't running upgraded...might actually not be boost related?? Or am I wrong.. Anonemouse, when you say 14.5psi you really mean 45% UT value right? Default map2 2-14firmware?
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