[momstmg78]

1. Have Engine At Running Temp

2. Take Intake And Charge Pipe Off

3. Start Engine

4. Have A Buddy Keep Engine At 1500 Or So Rpm's

5. Take A Can Of Amsoil Powerfoam Cleaner And Spray Entire Contents Into Throttle Body

6. Turn Engine Off And Let Sit For 10 - 15 Minutes

7. While Waiting Put Charge Pipe And Intake Back On

8. After 10 - 15 Minutes, Take Car And Drive The Hell Out Of It For A Couple Of Miles And Blow Alot Of White Smoke.

9. Now You Have A Smoother Running Engine



Hope That Helps

[vasillalov]

Do you have pictures of before and after?


...just asking because the official BMW tech procedure involves removing the intake manifold, rotating the engine by hand to expose intake valves one at a time, heating them up with a heat gun and cleaning them with a small brush (toothbrush) and BMW fuel injector cleaner....

[chili36]

Yes, pictures of valves before and after with this procedure would be interesting to see.

[momstmg78]

this is how you can do it without taking manifold off.

[Beemw335]

Seafoam ftw

[vasillalov]

Originally Posted by Beemw335

Seafoam ftw

Sheep! Show me before and after pics of the intake valves! Until then, I still maintain that the smoke you see coming out of the exhaust during SeaFoam application is the seafoam itself being burnt and not the carbon buildup being removed...

[Beemw335]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

Sheep! Show me before and after pics of the intake valves! Until then, I still maintain that the smoke you see coming out of the exhaust during SeaFoam application is the seafoam itself being burnt and not the carbon buildup being removed...

Seafoam helps take off sone carbon deposits, but of course you need to manually scrub kt off to get all of it off.
Seafoam does help get the top layer of it which is pretty good.

[Tzu]

These guys had some complaints about seafoam in higher mileage cars:

http://us.lexusownersclub.com/forums...howtopic=38852

[mithiral67]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

Do you have pictures of before and after?


...just asking because the official BMW tech procedure involves removing the intake manifold, rotating the engine by hand to expose intake valves one at a time, heating them up with a heat gun and cleaning them with a small brush (toothbrush) and BMW fuel injector cleaner....

Which dealer told you they do it this way. The one I asked at said they simply unhook the fuel system, hook the engine up to a machine and run fluids through to clean the engine. When I pointed out that this process would not do any clearning to parts prior the injectors, they told me that that is the best they can do.

[momstmg78]

I'm not a fan of seafoam. I don't believe the hype.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Tzu

These guys had some complaints about seafoam in higher mileage cars:

http://us.lexusownersclub.com/forums...howtopic=38852

Yea when your car is that age you should leave it alone.... a lot of things are "held together" so to speak cause of sludge/carbon build up ETC

Sometimes seafoam shows you the weakest links of your car, which may be a good or bad thing depending what your end goals are.

[chili36]

Originally Posted by Beemw335

Seafoam ftw

How did you apply it? and how do you know it did as advertised?

[momstmg78]

Seafoam goes through vacuum line and doesn't clean as much of the intake as my method. My way cleans throttle body, manifold, and valves.

[chili36]

I know how it is applied. I was asking him Beemw335. (aka Beemw)

[cssnms]

I am not suggesting one product is any better than the other, but for those disbelievers you do realise that every gas company adds detergents to fuel in effort help keep the fuel delivery system, intake valves etc clean from carbon desposits to keep emissions down. As a matter of fact in addition to being mandated by the EPA, the EPA has conducted extensive testing of the effectivness of carbon removing detergents. That being said, the requirements the EPA set are a bare minimum requirement and no gasoline company with the exception of say Cheveron w/Techron (as far as I know) elects to exceed the minimum requirement - it's a cost issue.

Carbon is a byproduct of the combustion process, it's naturally occuring. To say there is a not a product available in any concentration that would remove any amount of carbon is a bit nieve and it flies in the face of the results demonstrated under controlled conditions in a labratory, as well as what I have witnessed.

[mycoupe]

Originally Posted by cssnms

I am not suggesting one product is any better than the other, but for those disbelievers you do realise that every gas company adds detergents to fuel in effort help keep the fuel delivery system, intake valves etc clean from carbon desposits to keep emissions down. As a matter of fact in addition to being mandated by the EPA, the EPA has conducted extensive testing of the effectivness of carbon removing detergents. That being said, the requirements the EPA set are a bare minimum requirement and no gasoline company with the exception of say Cheveron w/Techron (as far as I know) elects to exceed the minimum requirement - it's a cost issue.

Carbon is a byproduct of the combustion process, it's naturally occuring. To say there is a not a product available in any concentration that would remove any amount of carbon is a bit nieve and it flies in the face of the results demonstrated under controlled conditions in a labratory, as well as what I have witnessed.

EVERYTHING you have said has no merit on DI engines. If your injection system is DI, fuel cleaners don't do shit for anything other than your fuel lines and your injectors.

[chili36]

Originally Posted by mycoupe

EVERYTHING you have said has no merit on DI engines. If your injection system is DI, fuel cleaners don't do shit for anything other than your fuel lines and your injectors.

This^

[chili36]

Originally Posted by cssnms

Carbon is a byproduct of the combustion process, it's naturally occuring. To say there is a not a product available in any concentration that would remove any amount of carbon is a bit nieve and it flies in the face of the results demonstrated under controlled conditions in a labratory, as well as what I have witnessed.

Can you be more detailed on what exactly you have witnessed?

[cssnms]

Look my point was do not discredit the effectivness of certain detergent additives. They have proven to be effective in a variety of engines both 2 stroke and 4 stroke.

[cssnms]

Originally Posted by chili36

Can you be more detailed on what exactly you have witnessed?

Something tells me regardless of what I tell you, you still won't believe me. Let's just say I have torn down and rebuilt both 2 and 4 stroke engines, some were maintaned and others were not. It was readily apparent when someone wasn't using a decarb product.

[chili36]

Originally Posted by cssnms

Something tells me regardless of what I tell you, you still won't believe me. Let's just say I have torn down and rebuilt both 2 and 4 stroke engines, some were maintaned and others were not. It was readily apparent when someone wasn't using a decarb product.

Your right we won't unless you can prove it.

[cssnms]

Originally Posted by chili36

Your right we won't unless you can prove it.

I have no interest in proving anything to anyone esp to some know it all kid. I have no vested interest in these products, I only speak from personal experience. Try lifting a wrench sometime, tearing down and working on an engine, experience I have found is life's best teacher. Otherwise, continue living in that blissful world of yours often referred to as ignorance.