[Icy J]

did anyone go check it out? my dad and I went, at first he liked it and was seriously thinking about it but then he sat in the back seat and completely hated it told him to go buy a M3 instead

[RC3]

cool photos.

A bit too pricy for the F13 IMO.

Waiting to check out the coming F10 M5.

[little_croco]

Icy, ask your dad, how many times he will be willing to seat at the back?

[Icy J]

Originally Posted by RC3

cool photos.

A bit too pricy for the F13 IMO.

Waiting to check out the coming F10 M5.

1.5mil (tax included) for 640i...you could get the E60 M5 for more or less that and 650i is 1.7...

Originally Posted by little_croco

Icy, ask your dad, how many times he will be willing to seat at the back?

originally I was checking out the Z4, apparently when I get my driving license I'll need rear seating for when I need to 'take my friends out'... I told him that the others can just 包剪'dup' for the passenger seat when I sit in the driver's seat of the E93 now it's pretty much impossible to sit behind...

on another note, i think joining your meets with a 'P' plate is not such a good idea... LOL

[K3VMO]

I was there today... But didn't know the show was on. The coupe 6 series looks way better but costs too much.

I'm more interested in the F10 M5

[NL684]

Crazy pricing for the new 6 series, 1.5M and 1.7M for 640i and 650i respectively.

I met Frank with his family at TKW showroom today and he is checking out the Z4 35i........

[JohnMan]

Great photos, Icy J, I also went to Ocean Terminal to see the new 6 series in person. Looks better then the previous 6 series, at least it did'nt have that sleepy headlights. Funny thing about your Dad not liking the back seat, maybe he should just buy a 6 series for his own personal driving pleasure and you can another bimmer for your driving needs, problem solved.

On a side note, man I'm so jealous, you haven't got a license yet but is already able to drive a decent bimmer the moment you do, so lucky! I had to drive crappy corolla for many years to saved up before I had the chance to own a bimmer If I had the chance to drive nice cars the moment I got my license, I would have gotten...hmmm...what would i have gotten? Relax, I'm not criticizing you in anyway, I am just daydreaming about my own what if scenarios, sigh,

[Exception]

Was there today also. Absolutely love the wheels on the 6.

[Icy J]

Originally Posted by JohnMan

Looks better then the previous 6 series, at least it did'nt have that sleepy headlights.

that reminds me, on the way home I saw a E63 6 Coupé with freaking eyelashes on the headlights... WTF?!

Originally Posted by JohnMan

Funny thing about your Dad not liking the back seat, maybe he should just buy a 6 series for his own personal driving pleasure and you can another bimmer for your driving needs, problem solved.

I wish my parents don't buy cars for the car, they buy it for the badge lol...they were originally going to get a 320i E93 but the sales agent said that it wouldn't have enough power on hills

Originally Posted by JohnMan

On a side note, man I'm so jealous, you haven't got a license yet but is already able to drive a decent bimmer the momment you do, so lucky! I had to drive crappy corolla for many years to saved up before I had the chance to own a bimmer If I had the chance to drive nice cars the moment I got my license, I would have gotten...hmmm...what would i have gotten? Relax, I'm not criticizing you in anyway, I am just daydreaming about my own what if scenarios, sigh,

I've seen a pic of an Aston Martin DB9 Volante with 'P' plates LOL. My dad said something about Japanese cars being unsafe therefore I'm going to be allowed to drive nicer cars... hey, not complaining here.

[JohnMan]

Originally Posted by Icy J

that reminds me, on the way home I saw a E63 6 Coupé with freaking eyelashes on the headlights... WTF?!

Mods in poor taste I suppose, haha. Let's hope this new 6 series will get some tasteful mods.

Originally Posted by Icy J

I wish my parents don't buy cars for the car, they buy it for the badge lol...they were originally going to get a 320i E93 but the sales agent said that it wouldn't have enough power on hills

In HK, it seems the average buyer buys the car for the badge 99% (the remaining 1% are folks of this board as well as the bmw hk club members, I suppose, haha). I often wonder about all those cute girls I see at the carshows taking photos with their phones of the cars. Do they have any idea what a particular BMW stand for? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they are interested in BMW, I just wish they can be interested in more then the badge and actually see what the badge represents. I'm hardly an expert myself and most people here know more about bimmers then me, but I'm a relative newbie and I at least know what RWD stand for and why BMW's straight-six engine is mechanically balanced, famous and smooth, you know the basics.

Originally Posted by Icy J

I've seen a pic of an Aston Martin DB9 Volante with 'P' plates LOL. My dad said something about Japanese cars being unsafe therefore I'm going to be allowed to drive nicer cars... hey, not complaining here.

Well I'm glad you know and appreciate just how lucky and fortunate you are, never take that for granted, treasure each moment you drive a bimmer. The only downside is that you will be spoiled from the get go, haha. It's interestng how your Dad thinks Japanese cars are unsafe, that whole Toyota recall business was overhyped and overblown. Japanese cars are on average more reliable then German cars, if much less exciting or interesting to drive (unless you have a Nissan Fairlady or Miata, now those are the exceptions...).

[Icy J]

Originally Posted by JohnMan

In HK, it seems the average buyer buys the car for the badge 99% (the remaining 1% are folks of this board as well as the bmw hk club members, I suppose, haha).

IIRC my mom only chose the car because we went to the showroom and they demonstrated the roof...and no idea about my dad, he didn't even test drive the car LOL

Originally Posted by JohnMan

I'm hardly an expert myself and most people here know more about bimmers then me, but I'm a relative newbie and I at least know what RWD stand for and why BMW's straight-six engine is mechanically balanced, famous and smooth, you know the basics.

I just find the engine sound at 6k rpm rather addicting frustrating how I have to tell my dad how to use the manual mode in DS even though he has a manual license I think my dad attributes the better handling over our other car (Toyota Previa) because the steering is 'heavier'... LOL

The only other thing I find annoying is that the 323 feels kind of slow... at 6k rpm there's sound, but not much movement...

Originally Posted by JohnMan

Well I'm glad you know and appreciate just how lucky and fortunate you are, never take that for granted, treasure each moment you drive a bimmer. The only downside is that you will be spoiled from the get go, haha. Funny how your Dad thinks Japanese cars are unsafe, that whole Toyota recall business was overhyped and overblown. Japanese cars are on average more reliable then German cars, if much less exciting or interesting to drive (unless you have a Nissan Fairlady or Miata, now those are the exceptions...).

Apparently Japanese cars 'crumple' to a worse extent in crashes than German ones?

[JohnMan]

Originally Posted by Icy J

IIRC my mom only chose the car because we went to the showroom and they demonstrated the roof...and no idea about my dad, he didn't even test drive the car LOL



I just find the engine sound at 6k rpm rather addicting frustrating how I have to tell my dad how to use the manual mode in DS even though he has a manual license I think my dad attributes the better handling over our other car (Toyota Previa) because the steering is 'heavier'... LOL

The only other thing I find annoying is that the 323 feels kind of slow... at 6k rpm there's sound, but not much movement...



Apparently Japanese cars 'crumple' to a worse extent in crashes than German ones?

Japanese cars crumple more? I've never heard of that, so can't really say whether that is true or not. If you practice defense driving techniques, that should not be too much of a problem. I can say however that Japanese cars will breakdown less often then German or American cars. Their overall build quality is higher and has less problematic issues.

The main problem is that many Japanese cars just aren't that fun to drive, unless you count the exceptions I mentioned above. Miata is a great little sports car. Nissan Fairlady is real nice, but apart from those, can't think of any other current nice driving Jap cars (Honda S2000 ceased production and so did the Toyota MR2-so no other really good-driving Japanese cars left). German autos likes BMW on the other hand place much more emphasis on the driving experience. Their engineers are renowned for being able to develop cars with handling characteristics that respond to your needs and wishes. However, they also tend to be less reliable, BMWs are expensive to own in that sense, since there always issues that keep cropping up and needing $$$ to fix.

Don't worry too much about a 323i going a bit slow. Based on my own painful past experience, as a soon-to-be new driver, I think it's best you don't focus too much on speed or doing drifts or other stunts. You may not have the driving skills needed to really bring out the max performance of a bimmer safely. Better be safe then dead. Have patience and take your time to develop your driving skills, once you do, then you can drive in the sporty way then bimmers are known for.

[css]

Originally Posted by JohnMan

Japanese cars crumple more? I've never heard of that, so can't really say whether that is true or not. If you practice defense driving techniques, that should not be too much of a problem. I can say however that Japanese cars will breakdown less often then German or American cars. Their overall build quality is higher and has less problematic issues.

The main problem is that many Japanese cars just aren't that fun to drive, unless you count the exceptions I mentioned above. Miata is a great little sports car. Nissan Fairlady is real nice, but apart from those, can't think of any other current nice driving Jap cars (Honda S2000 ceased production and do did the Toyota MR2-so no other really good-driving Japanese cars left). German likes BMW on the other hand place much more emphasis on the driving experience. Their engineers are renowned for being able to develop cars with handling characteristics that respond to your needs and wishes. However, they also tend to be less reliable, BMWs are expensive to own in that sense, since there always issues that keep cropping up and needing $$$ to fix.

Don't worry too much about a 323i going a bit slow. Based on my own painful past experience, as a soon-to-be new driver, I think it's best you don't emphasis too much on speed or doing drifts or other stunts. You may not have the driving skills needed to really bring out the max performance of a bimmer safely. Better be safe then dead. Have patience and take your time to develop your driving skills, once you do, then you can drive in the sporty way then bimmers are known for.

believe it or not but Honda Odyssey is fun as hellllll to drive

[little_croco]

Originally Posted by oda

believe it or not but Honda Odyssey is fun as hellllll to drive

Evo is also not too bad...

[f_klo]

Stumbled across this thread and had to comment on the ridiculous pricing of the the 650i vert. Really 1.76mill is not a lot for the rich, but then again if it were for the rich i'd get something more exclusive e.g Masser Grancabrio?? TBH who is doing the pricing of BMWHK should be fired and then fed to dogs. The reason is a few years ago the introduction price of the M3 was 1.4mill, and the C63 was 1.1mill. So 2-3years later they decide we should drop the price down to 1.18mill in expense of the carbon roof to lure sales....LOL that should've been done long time ago. Now maybe with the 650i vert to lure sales they gonna sell a vert with manually operated cloth instead of the automatic vinyl. Good job BMWHK....

Originally Posted by oda

believe it or not but Honda Odyssey is fun as hellllll to drive

Which GEN are we talking about here? I've driven the current gen odyssey in China ONCE and the steering wheel feels like a spring! no feedback! no weight! nothing! The brakes were bent after 1000km's and then the acceleration is non-existent no matter how many gears you drop. Worst thing ive driven in my life. My GF's daihatsu charade felt better than that....

[Icy J]

Originally Posted by f_klo

Really 1.76mill is not a lot for the rich, but then again if it were for the rich i'd get something more exclusive e.g Masser Grancabrio??

my parents say that they would rather get the 6 or a Porsche than a Maserati...because 'no one knows what a Maserati is' ==''

On the other hand, if I had 1.76 mil I'd probably go with an 05/06 F430/DB9/etc...

Originally Posted by f_klo

TBH who is doing the pricing of BMWHK should be fired and then fed to dogs. The reason is a few years ago the introduction price of the M3 was 1.4mill, and the C63 was 1.1mill.

But isn't 1.4 mil for the E92/E93 M3 and not the E90, which should be more comparable to the C63? (4 doors)

[f_klo]

Originally Posted by Icy J

But isn't 1.4 mil for the E92/E93 M3 and not the E90, which should be more comparable to the C63? (4 doors)

You are indeed correct on that but the introduction of the M3 was a coupe and only a year later they introduced the M3 and by that time the C63 already had the "first spoon of soup" LOL

BTW is the 650i vert price of 1.76mill before tax or after tax?? if before tax with 2-3options it'll be hitting a good 2.0mill sweet spot LOL NICE!

1yr old 2nd hand cars here i come!!

[Icy J]

Originally Posted by f_klo

BTW is the 650i vert price of 1.76mill before tax or after tax?? if before tax with 2-3options it'll be hitting a good 2.0mill sweet spot LOL NICE!

pretty sure it's after tax...2 mil + 115% for a 6 series =

[JohnMan]

I went to the wanchai showroom the other day to confirm the pricing and yup, it's around 1.7 million. I agree, in my opinion, that's way too pricey for a regular non-M car in this class. We aren't talking about a SLS here, but a regular 6 series. I'm better off getting a Porsche at that price, since for that same amount of money, you can get a more special car marque with more focused performance. I'm not saying the 6 series is a bad car driving-wise, but it just dosen't have the justification for that kind of pricing. Now if we are talking about a M6, then it's a different story, but I don't see any reason for charging these kind of prices for a regular series bimmer.

Of course, who am I to know, all those mainlanders will just lap it up, sigh...

[f_klo]

It really bothers me that BMWHK has hired monkeys to do their pricing. Since the start of this topic i've dived a little deeper and done some research. The closest german competitor was the CLS based on the same E-Class platform (since 6er= 5er)and the AMG CLS63 is also priced at 1.7mill!! IF compared to the E-Class convertible its nearly double the price!! but its unfair since that was based on the C-Class which leads to another funny topic. Why an E-Class coupe and a C-Class coupe on the same platform?? Good job MB!! LOL

I should stop my research now and get back to work before i get in trouble.

[ny911]

Originally Posted by f_klo

Stumbled across this thread and had to comment on the ridiculous pricing of the the 650i vert. Really 1.76mill is not a lot for the rich, but then again if it were for the rich i'd get something more exclusive e.g Masser Grancabrio?? TBH who is doing the pricing of BMWHK should be fired and then fed to dogs. The reason is a few years ago the introduction price of the M3 was 1.4mill, and the C63 was 1.1mill. So 2-3years later they decide we should drop the price down to 1.18mill in expense of the carbon roof to lure sales....LOL that should've been done long time ago. Now maybe with the 650i vert to lure sales they gonna sell a vert with manually operated cloth instead of the automatic vinyl. Good job BMWHK........

The CF roof is still there at the recent 10/11 1.03mil sale.

Which GEN are we talking about here? I've driven the current gen odyssey in China ONCE and the steering wheel feels like a spring! no feedback! no weight! nothing! The brakes were bent after 1000km's and then the acceleration is non-existent no matter how many gears you drop. Worst thing ive driven in my life. My GF's daihatsu charade felt better than that

Was the Odyssey you drove made in China? After owning few China made cars (Honda,Toyota,Audi,BMW), I would say those China Made Japanese cars and German cars are still far inferior in terms of 'feelings' and craftsmanship.

[f_klo]

Originally Posted by ny911

The CF roof is still there at the recent 10/11 1.03mil sale.




Was the Odyssey you drove made in China? After owning few China made cars (Honda,Toyota,Audi,BMW), I would say those China Made Japanese cars and German cars are still far inferior in terms of 'feelings' and craftsmanship.

Really the M3 was that cheap?! Crap im uninformed!! Should visit the dealers more often LOL

The Odyssey was china manufactured, probably made the difference. But i cant imagine the difference being night and day.