Question from my bro

Gig103 · 05-03-2011, 03:28 PM

I've been teaching my brother the ropes of detailing, sent him links to the DI how-tos, etc... So he washes and clays the car, but doesn't have the Blackfire Wet Diamond applicator so he just waxed the car.

The question is -- when he wants to apply the sealant, should he make sure the wax is stripped by using Dawn (doesn't have any citrus wash), or will the Blackfire "cut through" the wax and still bond to the paint?

dday · 05-03-2011, 04:28 PM

sealant doesn't cut through anything. if he wants the sealant to work it's best he should strip the wax and apply the sealant.

jopa489 · 05-03-2011, 05:26 PM

Indeed, it would be better to strip any existing protection from the paint before applying Blackfire. The sealant will bond to an unprotected surface much easier. After applying the sealant (and once it cures), he can wax again if he wants. But Blackfire leaves a nice finish so a layer of wax is definitely options for most people.

MuttGrunt · 05-03-2011, 10:03 PM

Just Blackfire over has my vote. How much more durability does he need? The difference in applying over an "unprepped" surface versus a "sterile" surface might be a difference in days as far as durability goes. At best, it'll be a difference of a couple of weeks.

In other words, unless he doesn't plan on taking care of the car at all... just apply the Blackfire and enjoy the new found slickness. It's different when someone is paying you and you're working to the highest degree: you have an obligation to deliver the best product possible. In the case of my own personal car; it's NEVER stripped unless I'm going to polish it (was last done 14+ months ago). I apply a new layer of wax each month and top-off the protection with Red Mist Tropical after each wash.

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dday Captain 35 Rep 856 Posts Drives: 2014 Alpine White 335 M-Sport Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: MA iTrader: (1)	sealant doesn't cut through anything. if he wants the sealant to work it's best he should strip the wax and apply the sealant.
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jopa489 Major General 127 Rep 6,594 Posts Drives: Anything with Wheels Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA iTrader: (9)	Indeed, it would be better to strip any existing protection from the paint before applying Blackfire. The sealant will bond to an unprotected surface much easier. After applying the sealant (and once it cures), he can wax again if he wants. But Blackfire leaves a nice finish so a layer of wax is definitely options for most people. __________________ X7 LCI // Incoming C7 ZR1 ZTK // Sebring + TRX // Hydro + Raptor Gen1 Roush // Tuxedo
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MuttGrunt Banned 27 Rep 872 Posts Drives: beater;) Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SE Michigan iTrader: (0)	Just Blackfire over has my vote. How much more durability does he need? The difference in applying over an "unprepped" surface versus a "sterile" surface might be a difference in days as far as durability goes. At best, it'll be a difference of a couple of weeks. In other words, unless he doesn't plan on taking care of the car at all... just apply the Blackfire and enjoy the new found slickness. It's different when someone is paying you and you're working to the highest degree: you have an obligation to deliver the best product possible. In the case of my own personal car; it's NEVER stripped unless I'm going to polish it (was last done 14+ months ago). I apply a new layer of wax each month and top-off the protection with Red Mist Tropical after each wash.
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