long crank under Procede V5 map 3

howiedds · 05-03-2011, 07:31 PM

background: just got new HPFP from recall. put v4 back in upgraded to v5 with current autotune map. Set on map 3 for NA mode.

Today after work, i started the car and it cranked a bit longer than usual...is this common under NA mode/map 3 or am I having stupid HPFP problems. Didnt crank like that before Procede install.

OpenFlash · 05-03-2011, 07:38 PM

With the current DIC beta maps, expect the engine to crank approx 1/2 second longer than normal. The Procede runs a diagnostic upon start up which contributes to the small delay. It doesn't matter what map you start on. If you are getting a longer crank than that, something unrelated is going on.

MKE_M3 · 05-03-2011, 07:39 PM

I thought you weren't supposed to use map 3 on the DIC maps?

secretsquirrel · 05-03-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jdemetry

I thought you weren't supposed to use map 3 on the DIC maps?

Do you really expect us to read? Surely you are asking too much!

dzenno · 05-03-2011, 09:28 PM

Diagnostic on startup?

just fix it lol

themyst · 05-03-2011, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

With the current DIC beta maps, expect the engine to crank approx 1/2 second longer than normal. The Procede runs a diagnostic upon start up which contributes to the small delay. It doesn't matter what map you start on. If you are getting a longer crank than that, something unrelated is going on.

That's not true, on the 3-30 DIC my car cranks for 3-4 seconds at times, however when I backdated to an older firmware, the car starts up instantly.

marcvtec · 05-03-2011, 09:37 PM

In the reading material it states a little longer startup for the procede,
totally normal

jdbretz · 05-03-2011, 09:58 PM

Am I the only one that caught the OP said he loaded the current autotuning maps so I would assume that means 12-17. OP which firmware specifically did you load? If you are running the DIC beta maps, don't use map 3 at all (according to the read me). If you are indeed running 12-17, don't run map 3 for extended periods, i.e. only use it for valet purposes only. There are some adaptations issues that Shiv still has to work out. The longer crank has been answered already.

Zasquatch · 05-03-2011, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by themyst

That's not true, on the 3-30 DIC my car cranks for 3-4 seconds at times, however when I backdated to an older firmware, the car starts up instantly.

+1... Mine randomly takes an extra couple seconds here and there without any reason... Brand new HPFP, injectors and plugs so hardware is not the issue... Other than this, the car seems to be running better than ever with the latest DIC maps.

RR80 · 05-03-2011, 10:11 PM

I will not too worry on the long cranks... the rev will jump up and down if there is the HPFP problem.

BMW1986 · 05-03-2011, 10:40 PM

Mine is kind of long; almost seems like it wants to stall out. Any ideas?

howiedds · 05-05-2011, 12:52 AM

yeah i loaded 12-17....long cranks happen once in a while...esp on when engine is cold.

howiedds · 05-05-2011, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jdbretz

Am I the only one that caught the OP said he loaded the current autotuning maps so I would assume that means 12-17. OP which firmware specifically did you load? If you are running the DIC beta maps, don't use map 3 at all (according to the read me). If you are indeed running 12-17, don't run map 3 for extended periods, i.e. only use it for valet purposes only. There are some adaptations issues that Shiv still has to work out. The longer crank has been answered already.

Doh...i can't run map 3 for extended periods? Crap i've been driving all over on map 3.....

jdbretz · 05-05-2011, 04:24 PM

Which firmware are you running? Are you using the 12-17 with autotuning or are you using the newer 3-30 DIC maps?

jdbretz · 05-05-2011, 05:41 PM

I just got off the phone with Vishnu and they said you can run Map3 for stop and go traffic, but it is still not recommended for any sort of cruising due to the adaptation issue.

howiedds · 05-05-2011, 07:34 PM

im using 12-17 with autotuning. yeah i was cruising on highways with map 3...i just love the growl....

jdbretz · 05-05-2011, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by howiedds

im using 12-17 with autotuning. yeah i was cruising on highways with map 3...i just love the growl....

You may notice some driveability issues when you switch back to map1. I think most people reset the adaptations in the command center and after a couple days or normal driving they went away.

gtenedio · 05-05-2011, 09:18 PM

What year is your car/miles?

Could be carbon buildup..had this problem on my audi- had my valves cleaned and started right up on cold starts

blueaudi18 · 05-05-2011, 09:23 PM

same here... i have long crank then normal and the farting noise.. i swithch back to the old firmawre 12-17 and both problem are gone now.

Slops · 05-05-2011, 09:30 PM

Why not keep your car on the stock map if you drive normally... I like to keep mine on the stock map until I feel like pushing it... And when I'm shutting the car off... Should take care of your long cranks.

howiedds · 05-05-2011, 10:52 PM

Nah I was just posting to see if it was a possible problem because i had V4 and had no engine crank issues.

klipseracer · 05-05-2011, 11:03 PM

I think we should start a thread and name a tune that DOESN'T get any long cranks.

05-03-2011, 07:31 PM	#1
howiedds D.D.S. 32 Rep 460 Posts Drives: 12 AW E70 X5d Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY iTrader: (5)	long crank under Procede V5 map 3 background: just got new HPFP from recall. put v4 back in upgraded to v5 with current autotune map. Set on map 3 for NA mode. Today after work, i started the car and it cranked a bit longer than usual...is this common under NA mode/map 3 or am I having stupid HPFP problems. Didnt crank like that before Procede install.
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05-03-2011, 07:39 PM	#3
MKE_M3 Lieutenant Colonel 72 Rep 1,705 Posts Drives: 2011 e90 M3 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Milwaukee, WI iTrader: (0)	I thought you weren't supposed to use map 3 on the DIC maps? __________________
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dzenno Banned 298 Rep 5,876 Posts Drives: Join Date: Feb 2006 iTrader: (1)	Diagnostic on startup? just fix it lol
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05-03-2011, 09:37 PM	#7
marcvtec Banned 414 Rep 2,696 Posts Drives: M5 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: toronto iTrader: (0)	In the reading material it states a little longer startup for the procede, totally normal
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05-03-2011, 09:58 PM	#8
jdbretz Captain 56 Rep 923 Posts Drives: '18 X5d, '12 M3 ZCP, '12 F30 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FL Panhandle iTrader: (10)	Am I the only one that caught the OP said he loaded the current autotuning maps so I would assume that means 12-17. OP which firmware specifically did you load? If you are running the DIC beta maps, don't use map 3 at all (according to the read me). If you are indeed running 12-17, don't run map 3 for extended periods, i.e. only use it for valet purposes only. There are some adaptations issues that Shiv still has to work out. The longer crank has been answered already.
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05-03-2011, 10:11 PM	#10
RR80 Lieutenant 17 Rep 480 Posts Drives: F10 535i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hong Kong, Vancouver iTrader: (0)	I will not too worry on the long cranks... the rev will jump up and down if there is the HPFP problem.
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05-03-2011, 10:40 PM	#11
BMW1986 Major 95 Rep 1,465 Posts Drives: 11 M3 E92 ZCP JB/PS & BLK Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brooklyn, NY iTrader: (7)	Mine is kind of long; almost seems like it wants to stall out. Any ideas? __________________ 11 E92 M3 DCT Jerez Black ZCP...Eisenmann, Dinan, Fabspeed, IND, LUX
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05-05-2011, 12:52 AM	#12
howiedds D.D.S. 32 Rep 460 Posts Drives: 12 AW E70 X5d Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY iTrader: (5)	yeah i loaded 12-17....long cranks happen once in a while...esp on when engine is cold.
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05-05-2011, 04:24 PM	#14
jdbretz Captain 56 Rep 923 Posts Drives: '18 X5d, '12 M3 ZCP, '12 F30 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FL Panhandle iTrader: (10)	Which firmware are you running? Are you using the 12-17 with autotuning or are you using the newer 3-30 DIC maps?
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05-05-2011, 05:41 PM	#15
jdbretz Captain 56 Rep 923 Posts Drives: '18 X5d, '12 M3 ZCP, '12 F30 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FL Panhandle iTrader: (10)	I just got off the phone with Vishnu and they said you can run Map3 for stop and go traffic, but it is still not recommended for any sort of cruising due to the adaptation issue.
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05-05-2011, 07:34 PM	#16
howiedds D.D.S. 32 Rep 460 Posts Drives: 12 AW E70 X5d Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY iTrader: (5)	im using 12-17 with autotuning. yeah i was cruising on highways with map 3...i just love the growl....
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05-05-2011, 09:18 PM	#18
gtenedio Major 365 Rep 1,269 Posts Drives: '%E2%80%9909 e92 m3, '19 X3, % Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: nyc iTrader: (1)	What year is your car/miles? Could be carbon buildup..had this problem on my audi- had my valves cleaned and started right up on cold starts __________________ .
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05-05-2011, 09:23 PM	#19
blueaudi18 Colonel 307 Rep 2,687 Posts Drives: e92 08' 335i , mb sl500 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: boston iTrader: (25)	same here... i have long crank then normal and the farting noise.. i swithch back to the old firmawre 12-17 and both problem are gone now. __________________ POSTED WITH APOLOGIES FOR POOR SPELLING, GRAMMAR AND SENTENCE STRUCTURE Poor Man's M3
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05-05-2011, 09:30 PM	#20
Slops Major General 190 Rep 5,417 Posts Drives: 2005 C55 AMG Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oxford iTrader: (2)	Why not keep your car on the stock map if you drive normally... I like to keep mine on the stock map until I feel like pushing it... And when I'm shutting the car off... Should take care of your long cranks.
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05-05-2011, 10:52 PM	#21
howiedds D.D.S. 32 Rep 460 Posts Drives: 12 AW E70 X5d Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY iTrader: (5)	Nah I was just posting to see if it was a possible problem because i had V4 and had no engine crank issues.
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05-05-2011, 11:03 PM	#22
klipseracer Banned 234 Rep 3,012 Posts Drives: 2007 E90 335i, 05 E46 330i Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Arizona iTrader: (27) Garage List 2007 335i [0.00] 2005 330i [0.00]	I think we should start a thread and name a tune that DOESN'T get any long cranks.
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