[KwlAznKid]

I'm trying to rent an apt with a friend and i've done some renting in the past but nothing close to what the realtor is asking of me to do this time.. this seems a bit weird to me.. anyone have any input? is this normal? the application asks me to attach a PICTURE of myself? and also attach a copy of my credit report that I have to obtain myself.. usually don't they run it for you?

i included a screenshot of part of the application..

thanks.

[kyleb350]

Wow, that IS a lot.... almost as bad as applying for a home loan. That biography request is funny. Sorry, I have no advice to give but to inquire with a landlord at a different apartment you might be interested in to compare.

[MediaArtist]

The biography request doesn't seem very legal.

[Quick6EF]

Perfect Troll Opportunity!!!!!

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

The biography request doesn't seem very legal.

Probably is, normally you should interview people thoroughly, maybe the management company is passing the bio on to the actual owner for approval in lieu of an interview.

To the OP though, unless the place is in high demand for some reason I would just tell them you're not doing the more ridiculous stuff take it or leave it and find a new place.

[KwlAznKid]

thanks for the advice guy i'm going to talk to the real estate agent, this seems like a lot of bs to me

Originally Posted by Quick6EF

Perfect Troll Opportunity!!!!!

you mean to use my information? or are you saying i'm a troll? , been here since 2005 lol

[KGB7]

#6 is not legal, the selection process clearly falls under discrimination.


You have money, you have a job, good credit, everything else is bs.

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by KGB7

#6 is not legal, the selection process clearly falls under discrimination.

They are perfectly entitled to ask for the information, so long as they ask it of everyone regardless. If they use it to discriminate then it becomes illegal. You have to prove this. Otherwise they are well within their rights.

Now if the OP is black, and is only being asked for all this because he's black, and knows of a white person who was just asked for the normal application, that would be illegal.

[ABQ325i]

Perfect troll opportunity on the person who requested the information.

Please post link so someone can have some fun

[KGB7]

Originally Posted by O-cha

They are perfectly entitled to ask for the information, so long as they ask it of everyone regardless. If they use it to discriminate then it becomes illegal. You have to prove this. Otherwise they are well within their rights.

Now if the OP is black, and is only being asked for all this because he's black, and knows of a white person who was just asked for the normal application, that would be illegal.

Let me rephrase it for you.

Landlords intention is to discriminate, thats why he/she is asking for pictures and family history in the first place.

Money is money, what i look like and the history of my family does not change value of money. Thus #6 is not only unethical, it clearly indicates that landlord will discriminate.

[KGB7]

http://www.dca.ca.gov/publications/l...mination.shtml

Ancestry, is protected by law under discrimination.

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by KGB7

Let me rephrase it for you.

Landlords intention is to discriminate, thats why he/she is asking for pictures and family history in the first place.

Money is money, what i look like and the history of my family does not change value of money. Thus #6 is not only unethical, it clearly indicates that landlord will discriminate.

Originally Posted by KGB7

http://www.dca.ca.gov/publications/l...mination.shtml

Ancestry, is protected by law under discrimination.

That's nice, it doesn't change the fact that they can ask for what they are asking for, they are not directly asking for anything they cannot. It's only illegal if you can prove they used it to discriminate. Asking about your family is not asking about your ancestry.

"Indication" means nothing.

Furthermore it's not unethical, a landlord is perfectly within their rights to determine what type of person you are, if you're a slob and think you will ruin the property they won't want to rent to you, nor do they have to rent to you. It's only if they make this determination only because you fall into one of the protected minorities that it's illegal, instead of say you showing up smelling like BO with yellow teeth or something. Landlords still get to choose who they rent to outside of those categories.

[KGB7]

Originally Posted by O-cha

That's nice, it doesn't change the fact that they can ask for what they are asking for, they are not directly asking for anything they cannot. It's only illegal if you can prove they used it to discriminate. Asking about your family is not asking about your ancestry.

"Indication" means nothing.

Furthermore it's not unethical, a landlord is perfectly within their rights to determine what type of person you are, if you're a slob and think you will ruin the property they won't want to rent to you, nor do they have to rent to you. It's only if they make this determination only because you fall into one of the protected minorities that it's illegal, instead of say you showing up smelling like BO with yellow teeth or something. Landlords still get to choose who they rent to outside of those categories.

The proof is provided in writing in #6. Clearly stating how landlord will make his/her selection.

If you dont want some one that smells of BO, then its your job to meet me in person. My picture and me telling you of my family will tell you nothing if im a slob do to my yellow teeth or something.

The only thing that a picture of you and description of your family will tell me, if I want to rent my apartment to your kind, based on your; race, sex, ancestry. And California is a colorful place full of colorful people, thus its very easy to discriminate against Ancestry once i tell you about my immediate family.

And asking for what they are asking in #6, serves no other purpose at hand what so ever.

[KwlAznKid]

Originally Posted by O-cha

That's nice, it doesn't change the fact that they can ask for what they are asking for, they are not directly asking for anything they cannot. It's only illegal if you can prove they used it to discriminate. Asking about your family is not asking about your ancestry.

"Indication" means nothing.

Furthermore it's not unethical, a landlord is perfectly within their rights to determine what type of person you are, if you're a slob and think you will ruin the property they won't want to rent to you, nor do they have to rent to you. It's only if they make this determination only because you fall into one of the protected minorities that it's illegal, instead of say you showing up smelling like BO with yellow teeth or something. Landlords still get to choose who they rent to outside of those categories.

ah crap, there goes my new apt...

[E90SoFlo]

Originally Posted by KGB7

The proof is provided in writing in #6. Clearly stating how landlord will make his/her selection.

If you dont want some one that smells of BO, then its your job to meet me in person. My picture and me telling you of my family will tell you nothing if im a slob do to my yellow teeth or something.

The only thing that a picture of you and description of your family will tell me, if I want to rent my apartment to your kind, based on your; race, sex, ancestry. And California is a colorful place full of colorful people, thus its very easy to discriminate against Ancestry once i tell you about my immediate family.

And asking for what they are asking in #6, serves no other purpose at hand what so ever.

You're wrong, I'm a real estate agent in multiple states and as long as they can prove they are asking these questions to all minority groups, its legal.

They have every right to know what the person and family renting there unit's look like. They can choose to rent it to whoever they want, as long as they don't specifically say you can't be black, mexican, blah blah blah.

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by KGB7

The proof is provided in writing in #6. Clearly stating how landlord will make his/her selection.

If you dont want some one that smells of BO, then its your job to meet me in person. My picture and me telling you of my family will tell you nothing if im a slob do to my yellow teeth or something.

The only thing that a picture of you and description of your family will tell me, if I want to rent my apartment to your kind, based on your; race, sex, ancestry. And California is a colorful place full of colorful people, thus its very easy to discriminate against Ancestry once i tell you about my immediate family.

And asking for what they are asking in #6, serves no other purpose at hand what so ever.

I can make a copy of your ID if I want showing your black, but I can't write down the applicant is black. You might not like it, doesn't change that it's not against the law, sorry. It's now a dead horse.

[KGB7]

Originally Posted by E90SoFlo

You're wrong, I'm a real estate agent in multiple states and as long as they can prove they are asking these questions to all minority groups, its legal.

They have every right to know what the person and family renting there unit's look like. They can choose to rent it to whoever they want, as long as they don't specifically say you can't be black, mexican, blah blah blah.

And by providing this information (in #6) to a landlord, how exactly does it help him/her to make a selection??

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by KGB7

And by providing this information (in #6) to a landlord, how exactly does it help him/her to make a selection??

There's no law that says the landlord can't get to know you and decide to rent to you or not based on this. Again you're wrong, just accept it.

[E90SoFlo]

Originally Posted by O-cha

There's no law that says the landlord can't get to know you and decide to rent to you or not based on this. Again you're wrong, just accept it.

+1

same as asking for a background check. As long as its not "discriminating" and the landlord is not only asking this from Black people (or only white people etc) then its legal.

[KGB7]

Originally Posted by O-cha

There's no law that says the landlord can't get to know you and decide to rent to you or not based on this. Again you're wrong, just accept it.

Originally Posted by E90SoFlo

+1

same as asking for a background check. As long as its not "discriminating" and the landlord is not only asking this from Black people (or only white people etc) then its legal.

Im wrong, yet you two cant answer my question. Interesting....



Arbitrary discrimination that is prohibited by the state Unruh Civil Rights Act. Under the Unruh Act, a landlord cannot reject a potential tenant simply on the basis of the individual's class or group affiliation. Your family in this case and with whom they might be affiliated with.

The California Supreme Court has ruled that the Unruh Civil Rights Act bars arbitrary discrimination on the basis of a person’s “personal characteristics” (e.g., hair style) or “personal traits”. What you look like in your picture.

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by KGB7

Im wrong, yet you two cant answer my question. Interesting....



Arbitrary discrimination that is prohibited by the state Unruh Civil Rights Act. Under the Unruh Act, a landlord cannot reject a potential tenant simply on the basis of the individual's class or group affiliation. Your family in this case and with whom they might be affiliated with.

The California Supreme Court has ruled that the Unruh Civil Rights Act bars arbitrary discrimination on the basis of a person’s “personal characteristics” (e.g., hair style) or “personal traits”. What you look like in your picture.

You are just interpreting things in a way to agree with your opinion, fact is the law interprets it differently. Being a slob, for instance, is not arbitrary, it relates to your care of the property.

Your question as to how it helps isn't answered because it doesn't matter how it helps or not. The landlord is entitled to ask for it, just like a landlord can interview applicants.


Again, you might not like it, but fact is it's completely legal, googling crap is not going to make you any more right. Let us know when you get a google result for the CA supreme court ruling that asking for bios and interviewing applicants is illegal.

Until then,

[KGB7]

Originally Posted by O-cha

You are just interpreting things in a way to agree with your opinion, fact is the law interprets it differently. Being a slob, for instance, is not arbitrary, it relates to your care of the property.

Your question as to how it helps isn't answered because it doesn't matter how it helps or not. The landlord is entitled to ask for it, just like a landlord can interview applicants.


Again, you might not like it, but fact is it's completely legal, googling crap is not going to make you any more right. Let us know when you get a google result for the CA supreme court ruling that asking for bios and interviewing applicants is illegal.

Until then,

How exactly is landlord entitled to ask about my family and its biography? According to whom? You?

Just as much a landlord is entitled to ask about my religion practices?

Interesting theory.

And how exactly will you know im a slob if I send you my picture and description of me and my family? Because you are a magician? We are not discussing about being a slob, so learn to read. The discussion is about landlords intentions and how he/she will use my information.