Tires for Beginners

deltron · 04-29-2007, 05:50 PM

Hi All,

I'm looking to upgrade my tires, 156's w/EL42's, to a non-RFT summer tire that will also work as a nice setup for Auto-cross and tracking. Thus far I've read that individuals starting out should not get really awesome tires (like those r-compound tires, I don't even know what they are).

So I've put together some tires that I think are good for performance, relative comfort, and also good (not great) for auto-cross and tracking.

http://www.edgeracing.com/tire/1523/

http://www.edgeracing.com/tire/750/

http://www.edgeracing.com/tire/3126/

What do you guys think? I think the Hankook come with a road hazard warranty, so there's no need to buy one.

Thanks!

LOLrance · 04-29-2007, 06:37 PM

If your looking a autocross and track tires, i'd probably look at the Falken Azenis or the BFG KDW

Carnage · 04-29-2007, 06:51 PM

PS2's aren't a bad choice, but pricey.

ward · 04-29-2007, 06:54 PM

hit up tirerack and find a "max performance summer tire"

all of those are going to be pretty good

I like PS2's, others like Eagle F1's, and bridgestone makes some sticky stuff too

larryn · 04-29-2007, 08:28 PM

In my opinion, the best non-Rs out there now are:
#1 Yoko Advan Neova AD07
#2 Falken Azenis
#3 BF Goodrich g-Force KD
#4 Michelin PS2

The Falkens are half the cost of the other three.

I used the autocross results from the SCCA national tour events to rank these tires. Really only #1 and #2 run at the tour events...

deltron · 04-29-2007, 08:50 PM

Thanks for the feedback.

All of the tires I posted are max performance or ultra high performance tires. None of them are any good?

The Azenis seem to be a favorite on this forum. I think they're $130 per tire, which for now, is out of my range. Edge Racing seems to think the Hankook tires I linked to are comparable to Azenis. Any thoughts?

larryn · 04-30-2007, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by deltron

Thanks for the feedback.

All of the tires I posted are max performance or ultra high performance tires. None of them are any good?

The Azenis seem to be a favorite on this forum. I think they're $130 per tire, which for now, is out of my range. Edge Racing seems to think the Hankook tires I linked to are comparable to Azenis. Any thoughts?

The Ventus isn't even available in 255/xx/17 size, and the closest is 245/45/17, which $121. The Azenis is $127. They cost about the same. Are you saying that the $6 makes them unabtainable?

Look at the results of the SCCA events. They specify what tire they use for all contestants. You won't see any Hankook, but you'll see plenty of Falken.

Adham · 04-30-2007, 09:35 PM

i second the tire rack search. with tires, for the most part, you get what you pay for. There are a few exceptions, but it usually rings true.

... oh, and i can't stand falkens, wouldnt recommend them to anyone.

larryn · 05-01-2007, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adham

... oh, and i can't stand falkens, wouldnt recommend them to anyone.

Why? What info do you have?

The Azenis ST-615s are fantastic autocross tires. One of the best there are, and cheap to boot. Their street tires are known to suck, but I have no personal experience with those. However, I ran 215s then 615s for years, and won many events with them...

Don Nguyen · 05-02-2007, 12:18 AM

I would start out with a tire that is in the middle of performance/wear. You don't need super sticky tires your first time out there. Doing so will only hinder you in the long run. Learn your limits and everything first on bad tires, then move onto better tires when you feel that you are maxing out your skills on your current set up. That is the best way to learn imo. Don't let your equipment out perform you.

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LOLrance The Law. 307 Rep 14,282 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SF / OC iTrader: (17)	If your looking a autocross and track tires, i'd probably look at the Falken Azenis or the BFG KDW __________________
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larryn Lieutenant General 2156 Rep 10,176 Posts Drives: '97 332ti, '21 X5 45e, '16 GT4 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seattle iTrader: (2)	In my opinion, the best non-Rs out there now are: #1 Yoko Advan Neova AD07 #2 Falken Azenis #3 BF Goodrich g-Force KD #4 Michelin PS2 The Falkens are half the cost of the other three. I used the autocross results from the SCCA national tour events to rank these tires. Really only #1 and #2 run at the tour events...
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deltron Private First Class 9 Rep 101 Posts Drives: 325xi Monaco Blue Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ iTrader: (0)	Thanks for the feedback. All of the tires I posted are max performance or ultra high performance tires. None of them are any good? The Azenis seem to be a favorite on this forum. I think they're $130 per tire, which for now, is out of my range. Edge Racing seems to think the Hankook tires I linked to are comparable to Azenis. Any thoughts? __________________ Monaco Blue 325xi Black'ette, Aluminum Trim, Xenons, Steptronic, Comfort Assist, Cold Weather - Delivered 6/15/2006
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Adham Second Lieutenant 10 Rep 243 Posts Drives: 335i sedan Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, TX iTrader: (0)	i second the tire rack search. with tires, for the most part, you get what you pay for. There are a few exceptions, but it usually rings true. ... oh, and i can't stand falkens, wouldnt recommend them to anyone. __________________
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Carnage Lieutenant General 343 Rep 16,407 Posts Drives: people insane Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: classified iTrader: (2)	PS2's aren't a bad choice, but pricey.
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ward Major General 157 Rep 6,158 Posts Drives: F Join Date: May 2005 Location: T iTrader: (0)	hit up tirerack and find a "max performance summer tire" all of those are going to be pretty good I like PS2's, others like Eagle F1's, and bridgestone makes some sticky stuff too
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Don Nguyen Banned 71 Rep 1,334 Posts Drives: '99 M3 Vert, '95 M3 Coupe, 964 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Irvine, CA iTrader: (4)	I would start out with a tire that is in the middle of performance/wear. You don't need super sticky tires your first time out there. Doing so will only hinder you in the long run. Learn your limits and everything first on bad tires, then move onto better tires when you feel that you are maxing out your skills on your current set up. That is the best way to learn imo. Don't let your equipment out perform you.
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