[E93Blackhawk]

Read up a extensive review by a member on here which was a great read on the Snow performance meth kit? Swaying towards SP's but i want to broaden my horizon on other kits.

Haven't heard much from burger tunings one or vishnu's apart from vishnu's being overly expensive tbh.

Does anyone have any 1st hand experience with any of the above meth kits or any others for that matter?

Problems occurred at all?

Thanks a lot guys.

[Jonny550]

Go with vishnu if you have a proceed.

Go with BMS if you have a Juice box.

If you dont have the above go with what your tuner suggests .

If you have no tune then you should not be getting a meth kit.

[E93Blackhawk]

Originally Posted by Jon335iFL

Go with vishnu if you have a proceed.

Go with BMS if you have a Juice box.

If you dont have the above go with what your tuner suggests .

If you have no tune then you should not be getting a meth kit.

I don't have any tune currently, i was considering getting SP's meth kit and upgrading my turbo's from RB and getting a custom tune from my tuner?

Would that be more beneficial than getting a PNP considering my planned upgrades?

I have a thread regarding PNP maps vs custom maps, if you have any information regarding that then please chime in

[Jonny550]

Gains from meth injection will be minimal running a stock tune just because the reason for meth is to run higher boost safely. You might see 10-15 hp just from the cooling meth will give you.

Dont create a custom map, Current tunes contain maps that %99 could use. The only reason you would need a custom map is with upgraded turbos and No2 and you could still use the stock maps current tunes offer.


Try out a Procede and meth or a Jb4 and meth first. 400whp is a blast and you could just go from their.

[Jonny550]

You seem new to the whole n54 scene, so i guess iall help a newbie .

http://www.procedetuning.com/BMW/n54/n54.html

http://www.burgertuning.com/products.html

http://cobbtuning.com/products/?id=5833


These guys are the best in the business right now. Vishnu and BMS have been around for a while and their tunes are very advanced,user friendly and have really cool features,like autotune witch makes the optimal amount of boost depending how healthy you car is running. Plus most importantly have great boost delivery.


cobb is new to the scene just search them, their are plenty of great reviews.



However if you want upgraded turbos then, BMS or Vishnu is the way to go.

[E93Blackhawk]

Originally Posted by Jon335iFL

Gains from meth injection will be minimal running a stock tune just because the reason for meth is to run higher boost safely. You might see 10-15 hp just from the cooling meth will give you.

Dont create a custom map, Current tunes contain maps that %99 could use. The only reason you would need a custom map is with upgraded turbos and No2 and you could still use the stock maps current tunes offer.


Try out a Procede and meth or a Jb4 and meth first. 400whp is a blast and you could just go from their.

Thanks for the info, yeah it won't be investing in upgraded turbos for a few months yet, just the meth addition for now and play it by ear for now, when ill upgrade my twins ill follow up with a custom map possibly.

[E93Blackhawk]

Originally Posted by Jon335iFL

You seem new to the whole n54 scene, so i guess iall help a newbie .

http://www.procedetuning.com/BMW/n54/n54.html

http://www.burgertuning.com/products.html

http://cobbtuning.com/products/?id=5833


These guys are the best in the business right now. Vishnu and BMS have been around for a while and their tunes are very advanced,user friendly and have really cool features,like autotune witch makes the optimal amount of boost depending how healthy you car is running. Plus most importantly have great boost delivery.


cobb is new to the scene just search them, their are plenty of great reviews.



However if you want upgraded turbos then, BMS or Vishnu is the way to go.

You got me!, yeah until recently I drove sport bikes for many years, never felt the need for a car so I'm trying to catch up now with all the info

Im aware of all of the above and thanks for the links, been doing my research, but what I can't seem to get is weather these plug and play maps are better than a custom map?

I was told by my garage, (who tunes of course) that it would be far beneficial for the longevity of the car to get a custom map instead of playing with PNP maps?

Any truth to this?

[Jonny550]

Originally Posted by E93Blackhawk

You got me!, yeah until recently I drove sport bikes for many years, never felt the need for a car so I'm trying to catch up now with all the info

Im aware of all of the above and thanks for the links, been doing my research, but what I can't seem to get is weather these plug and play maps are better than a custom map?

I was told by my garage, (who tunes of course) that it would be far beneficial for the longevity of the car to get a custom map instead of playing with PNP maps?

Any truth to this?

their are hundreds of man hours put into the stock maps. Plus the tuners have a rep they need to keep and a million dollar product they need to sell. Trust me when i say that the stock maps are much better then anything when it comes to the N54. Unless you want to run Rb's or No2. Terry or Shiv iam sure will create a custom map for you whenever your ready.

For other vehicles iam sure custom tuning is the only way to go. But the piggybacks are famous for a reason.

[E93Blackhawk]

Originally Posted by Jon335iFL

their are hundreds of man hours put into the stock maps. Plus the tuners have a rep they need to keep and a million dollar product they need to sell. Trust me when i say that the stock maps are much better then anything when it comes to the N54. Unless you want to run Rb's or No2. Terry or Shiv iam sure will create a custom map for you whenever your ready.

For other vehicles iam sure custom tuning is the only way to go. But the piggybacks are famous for a reason.

Im UK based so I wouldn't be able to get a custom tune from anyone in the US unfortunately.

Im leaning towards the procede to be honest, purely because I've read that COBB has some bugs that need fixing in the extensive reviews I've read, although the PROcede is expensive yes, i feel its money well spent according to reviews.

Question, if i where to get the PROcede, could i take it to my tuner and he still tune my car with the procede? Im not fully understood when it comes to people saying that they will buy the map and then take it to the makers to get them to tune it?

Does this mean that I can take it to my guy? Or would he have to house the software that procede uses in order to do this? Forgive me

Sounds incredibly noobish of course, very new to mapping and having got my head around it.

Thanks for all the help so far guys.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by E93Blackhawk

Im UK based so I wouldn't be able to get a custom tune from anyone in the US unfortunately.

Im leaning towards the procede to be honest, purely because I've read that COBB has some bugs that need fixing in the extensive reviews I've read, although the PROcede is expensive yes, i feel its money well spent according to reviews.

Question, if i where to get the PROcede, could i take it to my tuner and he still tune my car with the procede? Im not fully understood when it comes to people saying that they will buy the map and then take it to the makers to get them to tune it?

Does this mean that I can take it to my guy? Or would he have to house the software that procede uses in order to do this? Forgive me

Sounds incredibly noobish of course, very new to mapping and having got my head around it.

Thanks for all the help so far guys.

The Procede+PWM meth kit does have a higher power potential, out of the box, than the other tune options. It is also fully custom tunable through the free User Tuning Interface. And the PWM meth control system is few steps above the variable pressure meth systems in terms of response time, dynamic range and atomization consistency. Besides the charge pipe, there is quite a bit of hardware that goes into it. It will definitely meet your current and future needs. Feel free to email us at sales@vishnutuning.com if you have any questions.

Cheers,
Shiv

[E93Blackhawk]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The Procede+PWM meth kit does have a higher power potential, out of the box, than the other tune options. It is also fully custom tunable through the free User Tuning Interface. And the PWM meth control system is few steps above the variable pressure meth systems in terms of response time, dynamic range and atomization consistency. Besides the charge pipe, there is quite a bit of hardware that goes into it. It will definitely meet your current and future needs. Feel free to email us at sales@vishnutuning.com if you have any questions.

Cheers,
Shiv

Thanks Shiv for the reply.

Quick question, does your CP work with a HKS SSQV4?

Thanks

[E93Blackhawk]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The Procede+PWM meth kit does have a higher power potential, out of the box, than the other tune options. It is also fully custom tunable through the free User Tuning Interface. And the PWM meth control system is few steps above the variable pressure meth systems in terms of response time, dynamic range and atomization consistency. Besides the charge pipe, there is quite a bit of hardware that goes into it. It will definitely meet your current and future needs. Feel free to email us at sales@vishnutuning.com if you have any questions.

Cheers,
Shiv

One more thing, if i chose to get a stett CP can you advise me if it would fit with your kit?

Cheers

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by E93Blackhawk

One more thing, if i chose to get a stett CP can you advise me if it would fit with your kit?

Cheers

I don't advise running any charge pipe other than the one we supply with our PWM meth kit. The Stett charge pipe, in particular, is too small of an ID which negatively effects atomization and cylinder distribution. The bung design and location is also not ideal for our use.

You won't be able to run the HKS bov with our charge pipe. You would need to run stock or stock replacement DVs (we recommend Forge). Definitely don't recommend BOV without a recirculation line since you don't want methanol to be sprayed into the engine bay.

[E93Blackhawk]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I don't advise running any charge pipe other than the one we supply with our PWM meth kit. The Stett charge pipe, in particular, is too small of an ID which negatively effects atomization and cylinder distribution. The bung design and location is also not ideal for our use.

You won't be able to run the HKS bov with our charge pipe. You would need to run stock or stock replacement DVs (we recommend Forge). Definitely don't recommend BOV without a recirculation line since you don't want methanol to be sprayed into the engine bay.

Thanks for the reply Shiv

If i where to go with your charge pipe, and wanted to use a BOV, what brand would fit do you know?

If I'm going to run myself into problems by using a BOV then ill have to go for a DV i guess.

Im right in thinking Forge's DV will fit with your charge pipe?

Surely a BOV with a re-circulation hose will not give the same whooshing noise? - primarily why I'm getting a nov is this reason.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by E93Blackhawk

Thanks for the reply Shiv

If i where to go with your charge pipe, and wanted to use a BOV, what brand would fit do you know?

If I'm going to run myself into problems by using a BOV then ill have to go for a DV i guess.

Im right in thinking Forge's DV will fit with your charge pipe?

Surely a BOV with a re-circulation hose will not give the same whooshing noise? - primarily why I'm getting a nov is this reason.

With our chargepipe, definitely go with either stock valves or Forges. I run Forge DVs in our car. You will still get some whooshing noise if you have DCIs. Just not as load as you would get with a vent to atmosphere BOV. I don't know if any other charge pipe is compatible with our PWM meth kit due to clearance with the meth pump/valve mounting bracket. And I don't know of any other charge pipe that has as much internal volume as ours either. This is important to ensure good atomization as it slows down the air charge, giving the meth more time to distribute before entering the intake manifold.

Shiv

[E93Blackhawk]

Also sorry Shiv I can't PM you yet for another 24 hours probably, but will do when i can.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by E93Blackhawk

Also sorry Shiv I can't PM you yet for another 24 hours probably, but will do when i can.

Instead of PM, just shoot us an email at sales@vishnutuning.com. PMs are hard to read/respond to when using iphones

[chrisw335i]

Procede FTW!!!

[E93Blackhawk]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Instead of PM, just shoot us an email at sales@vishnutuning.com. PMs are hard to read/respond to when using iphones

Hahah no worries I will do!

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

There are plenty of options but the JB4 / WW combo is pretty strong. It makes as much or more power than anything else out there, is easier to use and install, and is less expensive to boot. Another nice plus is it doesn't require a special chargepipe so you can use any chargepipe you want. Even one with a BOV if you prefer. I'd love your business but I know BMS also has a dealer in the UK (JuiceUpTuning) so you might be able to just pick everything up locally to avoid shipping and customs fees.

The JB4 also has some pretty nifty steering wheel controls for map switching, enabling meth, and the sort. Two of the new options added not in this listing is a user adjustable automatic DTC off on startup and a user adjustable meth additive right in dash on menu 9.

[E93Blackhawk]

[QUOTE=Mike@N54Tuning.com;10576758]There are plenty of options but the JB4 / WW combo is pretty strong. It makes as much or more power than anything else out there, is easier to use and install, and is less expensive to boot. Another nice plus is it doesn't require a special chargepipe so you can use any chargepipe you want. Even one with a BOV if you prefer. I'd love your business but I know BMS also has a dealer in the UK (JuiceUpTuning) so you might be able to just pick everything up locally to avoid shipping and customs fees.

The JB4 also has some pretty nifty steering wheel controls for map switching, enabling meth, and the sort. Two of the new options added not in this listing is a user adjustable automatic DTC off on startup and a user adjustable meth additive right in dash on menu 9.

Thanks for the extensive reply.

Was looking over BMS's meth kit with the JB4 too and tossing that up in the mix with PROcede's tune and their PWM Meth kit, only thing that held me back was that I have to get their CP and can't fit a BOV to it or use any other CP if i wanted to which is a shame.

I have a family member over there in the US so I can get all items shipped to her and she can send them over as a gift so I don't get charged, so don't worry I may still grab it all from you!

[E93Blackhawk]

If anyone has any recommendations as to what meth/tune combo you would go for please let me know.

Ones I'm considering are:

PROcede's meth kit and their map

or ...

BMS meth kit and JB4 map

or ...

Snow Performance meth kit and a map (not sure which one would be suitable?)

If anyone has any recommendations tell me please.

Im planning to get RB Turbo's at some stage so would a custom map would be better here for that time?


Bit stuck for options,