[MrRipfrog]

I took the car in for service yesterday so I decided to remove the PROcede to avoid any questions at the dealership.

First of all, I was part of the LA Tuning day with Shiv so I only watched him install it. After watching the video a couple times it took me probably 45 minutes to remove the PROcede and button it back up properly. I was very meticulous. It takes actually working on the car to get the feel for some of the clips on the ECU housing, etc. Very straight forward though.

Went for a little drive after removal of the PROcede and damn... You really get a feel for what the PROcede actually does when it’s taken away.

Let me tell you, the install process when I get the car back should take about 15 minutes as that is going to be the FIRST thing I do! I was on the original map Shiv installed so this will be the perfect time to update my map.

Shiv has one kick ass product. I know there are other options now which is great, but I couldn't be happier with the PROcede. Can't wait to see what is down the pipeline... v2?
(damn, maybe I should charge him for saying that )

[bronco]

Procede fever...

[Park2670]

I have actually gotten really good at removing it. Makes the car feel slow, and respect what it adds to the acceleration

[vAnt826]

I forgot to take out the vacuum house connector when I took mine it.

The next day I made sure I took it out before they even noticed

[DCJAX]

Maybe this is a stupid question, but after watching the install video (not too closely though) I have been wondering if the proceede could be mounted remotely?

I wouldn't be willing to risk voiding the warranty every time I go in for a minor repair, and the uninstall seems to be somewhat of a pain. Why couldn't the required cables be routed into the glovebox and connect to the unit there for easy removal? (or am I misunderstanding the actual install?)

edit, does the unit require a connection to the vacuum lines?

[E90ice]

Great product, but i can't say the same thing about the customer service. sorry shiv...

you guys really need to hire somebody to answer the phone and return emails....and maybe assist with shipping....

[MrRipfrog]

Originally Posted by DCJAX

Maybe this is a stupid question, but after watching the install video (not too closely though) I have been wondering if the proceede could be mounted remotely?

I wouldn't be willing to risk voiding the warranty every time I go in for a minor repair, and the uninstall seems to be somewhat of a pain. Why couldn't the required cables be routed into the glovebox and connect to the unit there for easy removal? (or am I misunderstanding the actual install?)

edit, does the unit require a connection to the vacuum lines?

In theory, I believe you could mount the unit in the glove box or somewhere else... voltage/wattage pending on distance/gauge of wires used. However, in the end you would still need to access the ECU housing to tap into the plugs that go directly into the ECU and thus making an external mount pointless.

The unit itself does not require a direct connection to the vacuum lines but I actually forgot about those. I think it’s just a re-route. Hope they don't catch me and shake a finger at me...

[DCJAX]

Originally Posted by MrRipfrog

In theory, I believe you could mount the unit in the glove box or somewhere else... voltage/wattage pending on distance/gauge of wires used. However, in the end you would still need to access the ECU housing to tap into the plugs that go directly into the ECU and thus making an external mount pointless.

The unit itself does not require a direct connection to the vacuum lines but I actually forgot about those. I think it’s just a re-route. Hope they don't catch me and shake a finger at me...

I'm a little less blase about warranty voiding than some of you guys, a little extra time (removal etc.) seems well worth avoiding what could be a large financial risk. Perhaps BMW is somehow an exception, but I've seen warranties taken away too many times to count.

The point of an external mount would be to be able to remove the actual piggy back unit, without having to remove/open a bunch of crap in the hood.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by DCJAX

I'm a little less blase about warranty voiding than some of you guys, a little extra time (removal etc.) seems well worth avoiding what could be a large financial risk. Perhaps BMW is somehow an exception, but I've seen warranties taken away too many times to count.

The point of an external mount would be to be able to remove the actual piggy back unit, without having to remove/open a bunch of crap in the hood.

It's actually not that bad to access the ECU, takes 5 min once you've done it a couple of times.

If you want to do something that they can't find even if they do open the ECU box, do a Terry Tuner (say +2psi) between the tmap signal and a ground wire on the ECU harness. With some shrink wrap and OEM (fuzzy) tape they will never see it, and you'll be making 35rwhp+ more than stock.

[Ryan(e92)]

Nobody wants your terry tuner. Let it go seriously

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by Ryan(e92)

Nobody wants your terry tuner. Let it go seriously

[Jonmartin]

Originally Posted by Ryan(e92)

Nobody wants your terry tuner. Let it go seriously

ROFLMAO *DEAD* I've taken my car in several times for software upgrades and other shit no one ever questioned me or brought it up EVER!. HAVING A PROCEDE CAN'T VOID YOUR WARRANTY UNLESS THEY CAN PROVE YOUR CAR IS HAVING PROBLEMS BECSAUSE OF IT!They cant just look at it and say oh your warranty is voided thanks go away now.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Terry335

It's actually not that bad to access the ECU, takes 5 min once you've done it a couple of times.

If you want to do something that they can't find even if they do open the ECU box, do a Terry Tuner (say +2psi) between the tmap signal and a ground wire on the ECU harness. With some shrink wrap and OEM (fuzzy) tape they will never see it, and you'll be making 35rwhp+ more than stock.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...5&postcount=31

[BoostedBMW]

The only problem that I see with the terry tuner is that its relying on your stock wideband/knock sensors so what happens when your wideband starts to go out of whack and since you don't have a written map for the ECU to follow and tell it how much fuel to give under what conditions, you could end up running your extra 2psi without any extra fuel for it. I know that you can say that the car will throw a dummy light if the wideband fails, but its not really a chance that I would want to take, especially knowing that there was a recall for emissions sensors failing and no CEL being tripped. Just my opinion though, I could be wrong.

[DCJAX]

Originally Posted by Jonmartin

ROFLMAO *DEAD* I've taken my car in several times for software upgrades and other shit no one ever questioned me or brought it up EVER!. HAVING A PROCEDE CAN'T VOID YOUR WARRANTY UNLESS THEY CAN PROVE YOUR CAR IS HAVING PROBLEMS BECSAUSE OF IT!They cant just look at it and say oh your warranty is voided thanks go away now.

I suppose something of the procede nature could be removed in the event of engine/drivetrain failure. If you took in your car for a broken clutch with an active programmer BMW would easily be able to deny the claim, it would be up to you to go to court. Having said that perhaps BMW would rather ignore the few cases of mods to avoid the negative publicity....

http://www.pt-tuning.com/policies/Magn-Moss-Act.html -I found that instructive.

Ok, I'm sold. I'll have some sort of "cede" waiting for the car when it gets off the boat. I guess I'm still stuck in NA/mod land. Not trying to be paranoid, but I've seen friends go to court and lose warranty claims. (those mods were not able to be removed before repair though)

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...5&postcount=31

Why don't you install one and do a few test dynos for us?

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by BoostedBMW

The only problem that I see with the terry tuner is that its relying on your stock wideband/knock sensors so what happens when your wideband starts to go out of whack and since you don't have a written map for the ECU to follow and tell it how much fuel to give under what conditions, you could end up running your extra 2psi without any extra fuel for it. I know that you can say that the car will throw a dummy light if the wideband fails, but its not really a chance that I would want to take, especially knowing that there was a recall for emissions sensors failing and no CEL being tripped. Just my opinion though, I could be wrong.

Not sure what happens if the wideband fails, I think bad things, whether you have a procede, ******, or are stock.

[BoostedBMW]

Originally Posted by Terry335

Not sure what happens if the wideband fails, I think bad things, whether you have a procede, ******, or are stock.

Hmmm... I would think if your wideband fails, the car would still have fuel tables to go bye for XX amount of boost. Your A/F's might not be perfect, but I would think that it would be close to what you want. I'm just throwing out some food for thought, I give you credit for doing what you have done so don't take this as a knock against you.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Terry335

Why don't you install one and do a few test dynos for us?

Nah, too busy doing actual development/tuning. Today, with a beta version of v2 firmware, we picked up 40whp and 30lbft over v1.45 on 93oct. 375whp and 407lbft of torque with just our exhaust system and PROcede. Stock bypass valves. Stock intake. Stock downpipes.

Shiv

[scollins]

Originally Posted by DCJAX

The point of an external mount would be to be able to remove the actual piggy back unit, without having to remove/open a bunch of crap in the hood.

Yes, but now you have "non-factory wiring" coming from your ECU to the glove box. Wouldn't that look just as suspicious as a box in the ECU? I think the the intent is to remove ALL traces of a piggyback, not just the actual box itself.

Of course, a remote install would be handy when you have to drop it off at the valet......

[scottp999]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Nah, too busy doing actual development/tuning. Today, with a beta version of v2 firmware, we picked up 40whp and 30lbft over v1.45 on 93oct. 375whp and 407lbft of torque with just our exhaust system and PROcede. Stock bypass valves. Stock intake. Stock downpipes.

Shiv

tease! Please tell us what are current in-stock levels of the exhaust system?

[scollins]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Nah, too busy doing actual development/tuning. Today, with a beta version of v2 firmware, we picked up 40whp and 30lbft over v1.45 on 93oct. 375whp and 407lbft of torque with just our exhaust system and PROcede. Stock bypass valves. Stock intake. Stock downpipes.

Shiv

[hijack]
HOLY CRAP!!! I think most 335i's dyno 275 at the rear wheels, so the combination of PROcede v2 and exhaust adds 100 rwhp! I don't know how much your exhaust retails for, but if I figure a $3,000 investment, that is $30 per incremental HP. Not bad at all!

So, does anyone know the input torque rating for the 6MT in the e90? I know from my diesel modding days that the transmission was always a weak link, and needed to be upgraded to handle the torque. Of course, some were pushing 500 HP and 900 ft-lbs, so tranny issues were inevitable. If I ever decide to mod my 335i, I'd be worried about the tranny and clutch holding up over time.....