FASTA and the MSD8x....

Rob@Cobb · 03-01-2012, 06:36 PM

Threads seem to close before I get around to replying, so I figured I would open my own thread on FASTA.

From the sticky post I see over-rev data being collected from a S65 containing a very different ECU from the MSD8x. Different from the PCB to the case. Missing is load or pressure from the screen shot. Completely inconclusive data saying a tune can be detected.

From everything I can tell any guessing that FASTA logs max load and or boost is just that, pure speculation. I would love to see hard data that FASTA in fact logs boost or load. It would be nice to see the sticky with inconclusive guessing removed as it is being portrayed as fact BMW can detect when a tune has been on the car via FASTA data.

As a side note, we can clear FASTA data and control when it's tripped.

Cheers,
Rob

Focus · 03-01-2012, 06:38 PM

BOOM.

themyst · 03-01-2012, 06:39 PM

Chiz just got real.

zeel · 03-01-2012, 06:41 PM

inb4thread delete

marv85 · 03-01-2012, 06:42 PM

thanks for clearing this up Rob! and the side note is "Game Over" for that nonsense being spread.
STICKY THIS!!!!!

ATP · 03-01-2012, 06:42 PM

Ahhhh, shiz just got interesting. I was hoping Rob would chime in.

vasillalov · 03-01-2012, 06:47 PM

Of course it got for real!

This got deleted from Shiv's sticky thread but I have a screen shot:

E90SoFlo · 03-01-2012, 06:48 PM

Cobb customer service, once again.

AWESOME!

dzenno · 03-01-2012, 06:49 PM

Thank you

BES335xi · 03-01-2012, 06:50 PM

UH-HUH!!!

marv85 · 03-01-2012, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vasillalov

Of course it got for real!

This got deleted from Shiv's sticky thread but I have a screen shot:

I remember this... The fact that it got deleted is just SAD.

OpenFlash · 03-01-2012, 06:51 PM

Rob- the MSS60 DME and the MSD80/81 share the same case and manufacturer. The board is going to be different since the MSS65 isn't direction injection. As noted in the sticky, this data came from an e90 m3. The contact who supplied this screenshot to me is working on doing the same test with the reflashed MSD80/81.

I recall just last year you suggesting that max data was stored in %-of-limit format and not in nominal value format. This collected data suggests otherwise. I have strong reason to believe that all current Siemens MS family DME's are similar in this respect. If you have similar screen shot data that suggest otherwise, it would be nice to see it.

Regards,
Shiv

ATP · 03-01-2012, 06:53 PM

Hopefully this one stays open or they merge it. I would like to see some real discussion on this topic to educate the community on something that isn't well known.

vasillalov · 03-01-2012, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

If you have similar screen shot data that suggest otherwise, it would be nice to see it.

Regards,
Shiv

I can oblige that, only if you promise not to delete my posts anymore! Deal?

OpenFlash · 03-01-2012, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vasillalov

I can oblige that, only if you promise not to delete my posts anymore! Deal?

I don't have the ability to delete anyone's posts. But if you relevant info to provide, please do.

vasillalov · 03-01-2012, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I don't have the ability to delete anyone's posts. But if you relevant info to provide, please do.

I'll try to get you a screen shot tonight.

chili36 · 03-01-2012, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vasillalov

I can oblige that, only if you promise not to delete my posts anymore! Deal?

Don't expect fair play.
Other screen shots?

RaihaX · 03-01-2012, 07:02 PM

interesting.

OpenFlash · 03-01-2012, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vasillalov

Of course it got for real!

This got deleted from Shiv's sticky thread but I have a screen shot:

By the way, a DME running a piggyback doesn't result in any of the things you claim in the quote above. I'm not sure you understand how they work judging by your statement.

Kalud · 03-01-2012, 07:09 PM

If people are interested in digging that subject by their own, I suggest poking around that link: http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39...screens-2.html

Because with actual freeze_frame reading you can check for your own...

I didnt play very long, but just to check I was able to read my MAX RPM and MAX Speed logged including at what odometer it was.

Read the link for more info but here is a quick startup:
- Use Tool32 (usually C:\EDIABAS\BIN\TOOL32.EXE)
- Connect to the DME
and use Select Job / Job info...

Now, people with raised rev limiter, do the test

AltecBX · 03-01-2012, 07:10 PM

Interesting discussion here..

RnmEvo9 · 03-01-2012, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Rob- the MSS60 DME and the MSD80/81 share the same case and manufacturer. The board is going to be different since the MSS65 isn't direction injection. As noted in the sticky, this data came from an e90 m3. The contact who supplied this screenshot to me is working on doing the same test with the reflashed MSD80/81.

Regards,
Shiv

What is direction injection?

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Rob@Cobb Lieutenant 41 Rep 468 Posts Drives: 2011 E92 335i ///M Pack Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Austin, TX iTrader: (0)	FASTA and the MSD8x.... Threads seem to close before I get around to replying, so I figured I would open my own thread on FASTA. From the sticky post I see over-rev data being collected from a S65 containing a very different ECU from the MSD8x. Different from the PCB to the case. Missing is load or pressure from the screen shot. Completely inconclusive data saying a tune can be detected. From everything I can tell any guessing that FASTA logs max load and or boost is just that, pure speculation. I would love to see hard data that FASTA in fact logs boost or load. It would be nice to see the sticky with inconclusive guessing removed as it is being portrayed as fact BMW can detect when a tune has been on the car via FASTA data. As a side note, we can clear FASTA data and control when it's tripped. Cheers, Rob
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