Can anyone read my log? Missing on top of 3rd gear.

onebadmofo · 04-09-2012, 11:39 PM

Car has:

Procede v5
Procede PWM methanol injection with charge pipe (20/80-ish mix)
RB turbos
HPF FMIC
Forge diverter valves
aFE dual-cone intake

But I'm a noob when it comes to tuning

Can someone tell me what's happening here? The car feels like missing towards redline in 3rd, then SES light comes on (not half engine) and it sounds like I'm running on 5 cylinders. This goes on until I restart the engine.

Plugs are relatively new (15k or so miles), injectors are properly coded.
Also after restart SES light started blinking once every 10 seconds or so. Car sounded like it was in map1 or 0, and boost was only around 9psi with no meth. Limp mode from Procede?

onebadmofo · 04-09-2012, 11:50 PM

If I'm looking at it right my fuel trims are at 0?

jdbretz · 04-10-2012, 12:20 AM

You are maxing out your fuel trims. Trim changing OL Fuel setting to 100. Aside from that everything looks pretty good. All the timing pulls seem correspond to the throttle closing slightly, so maybe you had DTC intervene during the log. The OL Fuel setting should help a little with the AFR's too. They don't seem to be hitting their target on boost onset, but quickly reach it after.

onebadmofo · 04-10-2012, 12:25 AM

Traction was completely off. I had this happen with only DTC off so I figured it might be that. But this time everything was off.
So change OL fueling to 100?

Forgot to mention 2-3 was NLS shift.

jdbretz · 04-10-2012, 12:40 AM

Here is the close up of the throttle. You definitely had some closures so if DTC was completely off (held down for 5 seconds), then either your foot was lifting off the throttle or something else is going on. The OL Fueling of 100 will definitely help with your fuel trims though. I haven't logged running the NLS yet so I don't know what its supposed to look like, but I doubt the throttle is supposed to close during the shift like it did on your log.

jdbretz · 04-10-2012, 12:48 AM

It looks like you went really lean with that misfire occurred. The throttle was still open and boost and ignition were up, but fuel was cut. I don't know exactly how the DME reacts to a misfire, but it seems like it pulls fuel.

The Ghost · 04-10-2012, 12:54 AM

Also, if it continues after the OL fuel change, change your plugs. That worked for me.

themyst · 04-10-2012, 01:12 AM

yes sir you're tapped out on fuel. Don't think it's meth related since IATs are dropping and there is nothing in the timing that's evident. You're going to need to raise OL fueling to 100%, run 100% meth and hope you're not tapped. Otherwise, it's time to drop the boost and see if trims drop to within a manageable range.

Re: misfires, can you do a hard 3-4 shift with NLS disabled? I'd want to ensure that the NLS isn't causing it. I'd check injector coding first to ensure that it's fine, and even though 15k miles of regular daily driving should not cause your plugs to go bad so quickly, that would be the second place I'd look. If misfires are isolated to one cylinder, swap the coil pack from that cylinder to another and check if the misfire follows.

The key variable is the RB turbos. They require a lot of fuel to keep trims and AFR in check at the power level you desire. Hunting for car/tune issues is never fun as I've been there, done that.

Just to give you an idea as to what AFRs look like on a tailpipe sniffer with fuel pressure (open loop fueling) tapped out, here's a dyno chart of an RB turbo car with JB4. If I'm not mistaken, this car had an LPFP modification as well.

PS - your boost looks pretty good. Honestly wouldn't want to go much higher than 17-18 psi up top as the RB turbos are tapped around 19 psi at redline.

PPS - you don't have downpipes???

jippii ensio · 04-10-2012, 01:33 AM

When the fueling is fixed, 20+ psi is possible with upgraded MAP sensor and respectove firmware.

themyst · 04-10-2012, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jippii ensio

When the fueling is fixed, 20+ psi is possible with upgraded MAP sensor and respectove firmware.

In the mid range definitely. The rb turbos are close to tapped at 18 psi at redline however.

jippii ensio · 04-11-2012, 01:37 PM

OP, did you get your fueling fixed?

onebadmofo · 04-11-2012, 03:11 PM

I've been so busy with work that I didn't had a chance to do another run. I changed to 100% last night but only went around the block so no conclusive results.
I did pull up all the errors from DME. It's straight from INPA so it's all in german, so I used google translate.
Every single 1 through 6 cylinder has this error

$ FehlerOrtNr: 10705
$ FehlerOrtText: 0x29D1 misfiring cylinder 5
570D29D181000305012838ECBFECCAAB000000000000000000 000000
Error: 11 (11) No: 10705 0x29D1 misfiring cylinder 5 Frequency: 1
Error Code: 1 (5514) injection is switched off
Readiness Flag: (16) Test conditions are met
Error status: available (32) error is not currently, no OBD-debounced
MIL - status: (49) error would the lighting of the warning lamp (MIL) cause
P-code: P0305 Engine misfire detected - cylinder 5 F_LZ: 40
Environment text / Sign In 116576 km (1)
Engine temperature 95.25 ° C.
Load value for misfire detection 92.19%
Engine speed 6464.00 rpm
Lambda integrator Group 2 33.59%

OpenFlash · 04-11-2012, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onebadmofo

I've been so busy with work that I didn't had a chance to do another run. I changed to 100% last night but only went around the block so no conclusive results.

You shouldn't need to run 100% open loop fuel in addition to meth. Even with your RB turbos. So something else is going on. First thing I reccomend is dropping boost a bit and then inching up from there. I'd start off with a map2 boost value of 25%.

onebadmofo · 04-12-2012, 10:18 PM

New logs. They look perfect right up to ~6500 where car starts misfiring no matter what. Bad procede box? I'm also getting long cranks sometimes which are non-existant without procede connected. Both fuel pumps were changed recently.

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Logs themselves are attached.

themyst · 04-13-2012, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onebadmofo

New logs. They look perfect right up to ~6500 where car starts misfiring no matter what. Bad procede box? I'm also getting long cranks sometimes which are non-existant without procede connected. Both fuel pumps were changed recently.

Pictures are too big to post inline

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Logs themselves are attached.

I actually have a novel idea that might determine if it's tune or hardware. We'll get it done next week as time allows.

onebadmofo · 04-14-2012, 04:53 PM

Bump

enrita · 04-14-2012, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onebadmofo

New logs. They look perfect right up to ~6500 where car starts misfiring no matter what. Bad procede box? I'm also getting long cranks sometimes which are non-existant without procede connected. Both fuel pumps were changed recently.

Pictures are too big to post inline

View post on imgur.com

Logs themselves are attached.

i had exact same missfire issue at 6400-6500 rpm but only when running meth.

onebadmofo · 04-14-2012, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enrita

i had exact same missfire issue at 6400-6500 rpm but only when running meth.

And what happened? You don't use meth anymore?

jippii ensio · 04-15-2012, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enrita

i had exact same missfire issue at 6400-6500 rpm but only when running meth.

What caused the missfire?

jippii ensio · 04-15-2012, 07:48 AM

OP, do you have the 2nd design of the AFE dual cone intake?

onebadmofo · 04-15-2012, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

OP, do you have the 2nd design of the AFE dual cone intake?

Not sure, I have this

enrita · 04-15-2012, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onebadmofo

And what happened? You don't use meth anymore?

i changed tune.

04-09-2012, 11:50 PM	#2
onebadmofo Colonel 373 Rep 2,394 Posts Drives: 2008 E90 M3 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Central NJ iTrader: (14)	If I'm looking at it right my fuel trims are at 0?
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jdbretz Captain 56 Rep 923 Posts Drives: '18 X5d, '12 M3 ZCP, '12 F30 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FL Panhandle iTrader: (10)	You are maxing out your fuel trims. Trim changing OL Fuel setting to 100. Aside from that everything looks pretty good. All the timing pulls seem correspond to the throttle closing slightly, so maybe you had DTC intervene during the log. The OL Fuel setting should help a little with the AFR's too. They don't seem to be hitting their target on boost onset, but quickly reach it after. Attached Images
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onebadmofo Colonel 373 Rep 2,394 Posts Drives: 2008 E90 M3 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Central NJ iTrader: (14)	Traction was completely off. I had this happen with only DTC off so I figured it might be that. But this time everything was off. So change OL fueling to 100? Forgot to mention 2-3 was NLS shift.
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jdbretz Captain 56 Rep 923 Posts Drives: '18 X5d, '12 M3 ZCP, '12 F30 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FL Panhandle iTrader: (10)	Here is the close up of the throttle. You definitely had some closures so if DTC was completely off (held down for 5 seconds), then either your foot was lifting off the throttle or something else is going on. The OL Fueling of 100 will definitely help with your fuel trims though. I haven't logged running the NLS yet so I don't know what its supposed to look like, but I doubt the throttle is supposed to close during the shift like it did on your log. Attached Images
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jdbretz Captain 56 Rep 923 Posts Drives: '18 X5d, '12 M3 ZCP, '12 F30 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FL Panhandle iTrader: (10)	It looks like you went really lean with that misfire occurred. The throttle was still open and boost and ignition were up, but fuel was cut. I don't know exactly how the DME reacts to a misfire, but it seems like it pulls fuel.
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The Ghost Reborn 91 Rep 1,219 Posts Drives: X5 M60i, FK8 CTR Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: USA iTrader: (1)	Also, if it continues after the OL fuel change, change your plugs. That worked for me.
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themyst Major General 192 Rep 6,631 Posts Drives: '16 MK7 GTI Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NYC iTrader: (8)	yes sir you're tapped out on fuel. Don't think it's meth related since IATs are dropping and there is nothing in the timing that's evident. You're going to need to raise OL fueling to 100%, run 100% meth and hope you're not tapped. Otherwise, it's time to drop the boost and see if trims drop to within a manageable range. Re: misfires, can you do a hard 3-4 shift with NLS disabled? I'd want to ensure that the NLS isn't causing it. I'd check injector coding first to ensure that it's fine, and even though 15k miles of regular daily driving should not cause your plugs to go bad so quickly, that would be the second place I'd look. If misfires are isolated to one cylinder, swap the coil pack from that cylinder to another and check if the misfire follows. The key variable is the RB turbos. They require a lot of fuel to keep trims and AFR in check at the power level you desire. Hunting for car/tune issues is never fun as I've been there, done that. Just to give you an idea as to what AFRs look like on a tailpipe sniffer with fuel pressure (open loop fueling) tapped out, here's a dyno chart of an RB turbo car with JB4. If I'm not mistaken, this car had an LPFP modification as well. PS - your boost looks pretty good. Honestly wouldn't want to go much higher than 17-18 psi up top as the RB turbos are tapped around 19 psi at redline. PPS - you don't have downpipes??? __________________ E90 LCI N54 6AT Last edited by themyst; 04-10-2012 at 01:21 AM..
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onebadmofo Colonel 373 Rep 2,394 Posts Drives: 2008 E90 M3 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Central NJ iTrader: (14)	I've been so busy with work that I didn't had a chance to do another run. I changed to 100% last night but only went around the block so no conclusive results. I did pull up all the errors from DME. It's straight from INPA so it's all in german, so I used google translate. Every single 1 through 6 cylinder has this error $ FehlerOrtNr: 10705 $ FehlerOrtText: 0x29D1 misfiring cylinder 5 570D29D181000305012838ECBFECCAAB000000000000000000 000000 Error: 11 (11) No: 10705 0x29D1 misfiring cylinder 5 Frequency: 1 Error Code: 1 (5514) injection is switched off Readiness Flag: (16) Test conditions are met Error status: available (32) error is not currently, no OBD-debounced MIL - status: (49) error would the lighting of the warning lamp (MIL) cause P-code: P0305 Engine misfire detected - cylinder 5 F_LZ: 40 Environment text / Sign In 116576 km (1) Engine temperature 95.25 ° C. Load value for misfire detection 92.19% Engine speed 6464.00 rpm Lambda integrator Group 2 33.59%
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