[Buddstar93]

Hey people I'm new to the forum. (don't bite

I have been reading lots of really usefull stuff and thought I would ask for some advice.

I currently have a BMW E90 with base audio system. I have changed the front speakers and also upgraded my underseat subs to the earthquake SWS-8.

To run these I have a Jl 450/4.

My question is would a JL Cleansweep be my next best option to flatten the Standard Hu's Eq. It doesn't seem that two many people talk about these and invest more in the JBl Ms8.

My budget really couldn't stretch to the Ms8 at the moment.

Cheers Bobby

[ctuna]

Have you considered a radio recode?
That will flatten the output if you can get it done, and you won't have to
add another device.

[superjay]

My relationship with the CleanSweep is very Love/Hate. I love the product, I love the result, but I hate installing and tuning it. It's not very user friendly for initial setup, but the end result is fantastic sound. IT does exactly what it advertises it will do...clean the signal. Most likely, you will need a processor anyway. I like the AudioControl DQXS with the cleansweep. If you are only looking for one piece look at the AUdioCOntrol DQL-8. This is an OEM interface and digital processor without all the extra crap that the guys on this forum don't use anyway with the MS-8.

http://www.audiocontrol.com/t34/5247...rocessors.html

[Buddstar93]

Originally Posted by ctuna

Have you considered a radio recode?
That will flatten the output of you can get it done, and you won't have to
add another device.

I have, but a guy I rang a few days ago who can code them said he didn't think it made that much difference. It was gonna cost £50-60 and he didn't seem overly enthusiastic which put me off.
I have also read problems with gong volume levels etc

Cheers for the reply

[Buddstar93]

Originally Posted by superjay

My relationship with the CleanSweep is very Love/Hate. I love the product, I love the result, but I hate installing and tuning it. It's not very user friendly for initial setup, but the end result is fantastic sound. IT does exactly what it advertises it will do...clean the signal. Most likely, you will need a processor anyway. I like the AudioControl DQXS with the cleansweep. If you are only looking for one piece look at the AUdioCOntrol DQL-8. This is an OEM interface and digital processor without all the extra crap that the guys on this forum don't use anyway with the MS-8.

http://www.audiocontrol.com/t34/5247...rocessors.html

Ok
When you say you like the AudioControl DQXS with the cleansweep do you mean run them both together, or you like them both?

Another question what do you mean by OEM interface. I mean how does that effect it in regards to wiring etc..

[superjay]

run them both together. The CleanSweep would go first, then run in to the DQXS.

OEM interface is, in this case, taking the speaker level signal from the factory amp and changing it to a low level signal in a piece like the CleanSweep, MS-8, LC-8i, or some such line output converter.

The DQL-8 takes the factory signal from the factory amp just like the MS-8, but doesn't screw it all up with signal-delay, or "auto-tune". It's also considerably less expensive

[Buddstar93]

Ok well I'm gonna do some reading and saving and get one of these sent over soon.

[kaigoss69]

Originally Posted by superjay

My relationship with the CleanSweep is very Love/Hate. I love the product, I love the result, but I hate installing and tuning it. It's not very user friendly for initial setup, but the end result is fantastic sound. IT does exactly what it advertises it will do...clean the signal. Most likely, you will need a processor anyway. I like the AudioControl DQXS with the cleansweep. If you are only looking for one piece look at the AUdioCOntrol DQL-8. This is an OEM interface and digital processor without all the extra crap that the guys on this forum don't use anyway with the MS-8.

http://www.audiocontrol.com/t34/5247...rocessors.html

What extra crap are we not using? Are there some hidden features we're not aware of? I'll tell you one thing we're not using, and that is paying some expert to tune our system for hundreds of dollars, that's for sure.

[black 335xi]

Originally Posted by ctuna

Have you considered a radio recode?
That will flatten the output if you can get it done, and you won't have to
add another device.

Perhaps a bit off topic, but is the dealer the only one capable of a recode? Assuming that my HU can be recoded, I'd like to give it a try.

[ctuna]

Taibanl had it done at a dealer an he says it wasn't that expensive.
Some of the people on the coding board might be capable of it to.

As per this thread

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ghlight=recode

http://www.e90post.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=368

[superjay]

Originally Posted by kaigoss69

What extra crap are we not using? Are there some hidden features we're not aware of? I'll tell you one thing we're not using, and that is paying some expert to tune our system for hundreds of dollars, that's for sure.

well, SOMEone has a bug up their ass.

The full potential of the MS-8 is lost on most DIYers. Unless you are capable of tuning a system with a Pro-Audio processor you are no capable of unleashing the full potential of the MS-8, and are, therefore, not using all of its features.

[kaigoss69]

So the extra crap the MS-8 has is the EQ, I see. It's that thingy with the many sliders I bet. I usually make it look like a smiley face cause it makes me happy! I love being a DIY'er!

[superjay]

you love being an internet troll with a chip on your shoulder. When you've competed at my level let me know. Until then, keep it up with your DIY.

Edit: Better yet, go ask Scott to show you how to fully appreciate everything the MS-8 can do. sit with him every day that he tunes before competition...every session, the entire session, for the whole season. See what goes in to doing it right. THEN tell me you think you've used all the power in that processor.

[kaigoss69]

I'm not a troll, thank you. I've been on this forum for years, first to gain knowledge, and now to share it. I don't lecture people or belittle them like you do. Look at you, all you've done in your 5 minutes of fame on this forum is to spew your condescending garbage all over the place, like barf on a marble floor. you're not as SUPER as you think, Jay, and nobody cares about your elitist attitude, nor your astonishing credentials as a professional automotive wire cutter.

[Buddstar93]

Originally Posted by black 335xi

Perhaps a bit off topic, but is the dealer the only one capable of a recode? Assuming that my HU can be recoded, I'd like to give it a try.

I think for sure a private coder
Can so this but I would like to see the before and after results to see that what I did was worthwhile.
I no you can use Rta program's but i'm not 100% sure I understand them fully.

[Buddstar93]

If I was to purchase either of the processors Jl or DQl where would be the best place to install it.
I have plenty of room in my boot as I had no OE amp but I've read it emits a lot of EMI so would behind the dash be better?

[kaigoss69]

Originally Posted by Buddstar93

If I was to purchase either of the processors Jl or DQl where would be the best place to install it.
I have plenty of room in my boot as I had no OE amp but I've read it emits a lot of EMI so would behind the dash be better?

No, that would be worse. Besides, there is no room behind the dash. Install it in the OEM amp location or under the trunk (aka boot ) floor.

[superjay]

Originally Posted by kaigoss69

I'm not a troll, thank you. I've been on this forum for years, first to gain knowledge, and now to share it. I don't lecture people or belittle them like you do. Look at you, all you've done in your 5 minutes of fame on this forum is to spew your condescending garbage all over the place, like barf on a marble floor. you're not as SUPER as you think, Jay, and nobody cares about your elitist attitude, nor your astonishing credentials as a professional automotive wire cutter.

red herring argument. fantastic

[ctuna]

As far as the recode goes .
A lot of people feel the output after the recode is good enough
just to run with and amp an no sound processing ,
If you get a Hi Fi output.
The RTA graphs from cell phones might not be that accurate.
You will be able to tune more if you get a processor .
I don't see a need for a flattening device like a cleansweep if you get
a Hi Fi recode .
There are some threads on the eq curve in

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641323

[Larrye90]

I have a 2010 e90 with base radio. I added the MBQuarts QM200.3BMW and wanted to wire up a CleanSweep.

[ctuna]

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1378833

base system wiring pre/post 3/09
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...tDpLJPcGkw_ui_
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...1&d=1411521234