[DTSociety]

So I went to my local dealer recently and met Izzy from Dinan. He said they are currently working on a new ecu flash, suspension, and exhaust. All of these will be available at the bmw dealer for purchase and install and it will be added to the "warranty" of the car. They also might setup a demo day at the dealer with a few of their cars with the flash/exhaust and etc... Izzy said their new ecu flash will run "better" then the ones that are currently out
Question is, I bet its going to be a arm and a leg!

[btinl]

Thanks for the info. Sounds like it's time to start saving up for Dinan parts.

[edgarj]

They also accept 'first borns' and souls if you cant do cash.

[DTSociety]

Originally Posted by edgarj

They also accept 'first borns' and souls if you cant do cash.

LOL

[Acap14]

is it available at dealers nationwide

[purplewidow]

no only authorized dealers check out there website!!! not every dealer sells dinan

[DTSociety]

Originally Posted by purplewidow

no only authorized dealers check out there website!!! not every dealer sells dinan

yeah purples right.. we have two dinan mechanics at my local dealer.

[continentalg5]

Anything comparable to Vishnu,AA,etc..?

[purplewidow]

i have no doubt it will be...this is the only reason why i haven't bought a procede...i really want it to stay under warranty!!!!! if gains are like 40 whp and 40-50 wtq i would consider it for sure as long as the price stays reasonable and they don't charge a $100 a hp like with the e46 m3....my dinan e34 dinan 540 only cost about 3000k for about 90bhp in exhaust 2 chips and a high flow iinduction tube...thats it...but then they started crap and only adding 5hp with ecu flashes for the e46...i think prices for this will be totally different than for the e46 m3..i think prices will go back to my e34 era simply b/c it is a lot easier to get power from this e90/92 335 than from an e46 m3

[DrGP]

I'll bet it will come in at around $1500. A couple of hundred over the Procede but with warranty. That way IF the performance gains are similar, the extra money spent will be worth the warranty. Anything less will be great, anything more will be a hindrance to sales.

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by purplewidow

i have no doubt it will be...this is the only reason why i haven't bought a procede...i really want it to stay under warranty!!!!! if gains are like 40 whp and 40-50 wtq i would consider it for sure as long as the price stays reasonable and they don't charge a $100 a hp like with the e46 m3....my dinan e34 dinan 540 only cost about 3000k for about 90bhp in exhaust 2 chips and a high flow iinduction tube...thats it...but then they started crap and only adding 5hp with ecu flashes for the e46...i think prices for this will be totally different than for the e46 m3..i think prices will go back to my e34 era simply b/c it is a lot easier to get power from this e90/92 335 than from an e46 m3

Ok guys, I'm not trying to be an ass, but it seems every time something about Dinan comes up I have to clarify their "warranty" policy. BMW does not cover any Dinan parts/upgrades on your warranty. They never have. Dinan has a "warranty matching" program in place, where as if anything happens to your BMW that can be traced to the Dinan part, then Dinan will fix whatever is wrong with the car, NOT BMW!!! (although Dinan might use BMW to do the work, Dinan pays for it) The problem is (and it's a big one) there has to be undisputable proof that the Dinan part/upgrade caused the problem, and apparantly this can be a bitch! So don't get sucked into believing that BMW will cover your warrany if something goes wrong, they won't. If they say they will, they are lying. Call Dinan and ask if you don't believe me.

Again, not trying to be an ass here, I just get a tired of hearing this myth.

[purplewidow]

all i meant is that if there is a problem there is a dinan warranty there and it won't affect your bmw warranty...if they see other stuff and the engine has a problem or ecu they aren't going to void your warranty for your bmw on that part dinan will take over if found there part is at fault...keep in mind i have had dinan 5 e34 540 for over 7 years so i am fully aware of dinan's warranty and never had a problem... all i meant was that there is a warranty there and it won't affect your bmw warranty at all if something isn't covered b/c of the mod dinan takes over but you do not lose your right on the same part if something goes wrong with it if it wasn't the mods faullt...if it wasn't a dinan product than you would lose you warranty on the part if it was the mods fault and after it's fixed even if it isn't the mods fault you lost your warrantyon that specific part or system....that is how 2 dealerships have explained it to me 5000 miles apart(hawaii and chicago) that is what i meant

[sambonator]

Originally Posted by purplewidow

i...i think prices will go back to my e34 era simply b/c it is a lot easier to get power from this e90/92 335 than from an e46 m3

Easier to get more power, but perhaps easier to blow up the engine... so they may need to insure themselves by keeping the price high. I hope I'm wrong though!

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by purplewidow

all i meant is that if there is a problem there is a dinan warranty there and it won't affect your bmw warranty...if they see other stuff and the engine has a problem or ecu they aren't going to void your warranty for your bmw on that part dinan will take over if found there part is at fault...keep in mind i have had dinan 5 e34 540 for over 7 years so i am fully aware of dinan's warranty and never had a problem... all i meant was that there is a warranty there and it won't affect your bmw warranty at all if something isn't covered b/c of the mod dinan takes over but you do not lose your right on the same part if something goes wrong with it if it wasn't the mods faullt...if it wasn't a dinan product than you would lose you warranty on the part if it was the mods fault and after it's fixed even if it isn't the mods fault you lost your warrantyon that specific part or system....that is how 2 dealerships have explained it to me 5000 miles apart(hawaii and chicago) that is what i meant

I get what you're saying. There is a huge amount of confusion on the Dinan warranty issue. I actually asked Steve himself during a breakout session at TechFest in Tacoma last May, and he basically explained it like I did. I think the main reason that it's so confusing is the way the Dinan reps at the BMW dealerships serve it up. I know I've been told a couple of times that I don't need to worry, "all Dinan parts will be covered by BMW". I think they tend to give a false sense of confidence.

[Panoz]

It smells like a "kind-of-Hartge's" ECU update which adds another 34HP nd 5 Nm (on the crank)

[ksfrogman]

Originally Posted by DTSociety

So I went to my local dealer recently and met Izzy from Dinan. He said they are currently working on a new ecu flash, suspension, and exhaust. All of these will be available at the bmw dealer for purchase and install and it will be added to the "warranty" of the car. They also might setup a demo day at the dealer with a few of their cars with the flash/exhaust and etc... Izzy said their new ecu flash will run "better" then the ones that are currently out
Question is, I bet its going to be a arm and a leg!

FYI, Dinan has been saying that for over a year now.

[Mikes12985]

sounds like a good new tune. Mike.

[dawgdog]

Was at the dealership today and my SA said he spoke to the Dinan rep yesterday. Evidently the ecu flash should be arriving for install in about a month. My SA was under the impression that it would not be that expensive: about $500. And while the warranty may not be 100% clearcut, at least you don't have to worry about your warranty being voided because BMW detected that a piggyback had been used.

[Dr_Dirt]

Originally Posted by dawgdog

Was at the dealership today and my SA said he spoke to the Dinan rep yesterday. Evidently the ecu flash should be arriving for install in about a month. My SA was under the impression that it would not be that expensive: about $500. And while the warranty may not be 100% clearcut, at least you don't have to worry about your warranty being voided because BMW detected that a piggyback had been used.

Interesting...
I was under the impression that the dealer would detect the flash when they connect to the diagnostic port. Does BMW care if DINANS flash is on their ECU's? I really don't know.

The theory on the piggyback unit (or so I understand) is that it intercepts the signals so nothing out of the ordinary is recorded in the data logs. So long as you remove the piggyback before bringing the car in for service you should be good.

[judec]

Originally Posted by dawgdog

Was at the dealership today and my SA said he spoke to the Dinan rep yesterday. Evidently the ecu flash should be arriving for install in about a month. My SA was under the impression that it would not be that expensive: about $500. And while the warranty may not be 100% clearcut, at least you don't have to worry about your warranty being voided because BMW detected that a piggyback had been used.

well, nuthing against, but just to make things clear - BMW or any other manufacturer has no chance of detecting piggybacks, so if they dont find it directly installed on your car as a corpus delicti, U are stock in their eyes.

On the other hand they can definitely find out your ECU was flashed by a third party unauthorised flash (like Dinan) and this will DEFINITELY void your engine and eventually drivetrain warranty. So if Dinan has balls enuf to take over the void warranty, OK, if not...

[dawgdog]

Originally Posted by Dr_Dirt

Interesting...
I was under the impression that the dealer would detect the flash when they connect to the diagnostic port. Does BMW care if DINANS flash is on their ECU's? I really don't know.

The theory on the piggyback unit (or so I understand) is that it intercepts the signals so nothing out of the ordinary is recorded in the data logs. So long as you remove the piggyback before bringing the car in for service you should be good.

I don't see how my dealer could complain if they are the one installing the Dinan reflash of the ecu and obviously making money doing so. As far as piggybacks are concerned, my SA said many dealerships are looking for telltale signs that the units (hardware) have been installed and then simply voiding the warranty. This SA is a neat guy that is always open to different mods, etc. In fact, a friend of mine told him in confidence that he had installed the Procede.

[Dr_Dirt]

Originally Posted by dawgdog

I don't see how my dealer could complain if they are the one installing the Dinan reflash of the ecu and obviously making money doing so. As far as piggybacks are concerned, my SA said many dealerships are looking for telltale signs that the units (hardware) have been installed and then simply voiding the warranty. This SA is a neat guy that is always open to different mods, etc. In fact, a friend of mine told him in confidence that he had installed the Procede.

You have a valid point about the dealer performing the install. Unfortunately my dealer has already dropped Dinan. Maybe I should ask my SA.