[WOPALX]

Okay so it's only a few hours until next week for us on the other side of the pond.

Given Shiv's earlier post I'd like to know some info b4 springing the cash for the upgrade / update or whatever you wish to call it.

Map switching - how will this function? Presently we have to pull the covers which is a PITA... is it going to get easier, if so how?
Boost management - what does this allow us to achieve? I assume it allows for cars that don't reach the boost targets?
User tunable torque curves - what has been tested, has anything broken on Beta vehicles?
Speed sensor input - why is this important?

Thanks in advance.

S

[RiXst3r]

this post of mine in the "old" v2 thread has most your answers
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=435

[NAandTT]

nicee

[vq352k]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

this post of mine in the "old" v2 thread has most your answers
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=435

i dont think that answer his questions... unless i just dont get it (sorry)

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by vq352k

i dont think that answer his questions... unless i just dont get it (sorry)

i thought it was pretty clear... I know it doesnt answer all of them... but i was too lazy to re-type

here were his questions, and here are the asweres, pulled from my post...

Map switching - how will this function? Presently we have to pull the covers which is a PITA... is it going to get easier, if so how?

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

and then has also implemented a "switchless" map switch... probably using some combination of ignition off and gas pedal position.

Boost management - what does this allow us to achieve? I assume it allows for cars that don't reach the boost targets?

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

he is directly driving the wastegates, so no more need for the solenoid bypass like the old procede and xede, and also no more limp mode or boost spikes...

User tunable torque curves - what has been tested, has anything broken on Beta vehicles?

Speed sensor input - why is this important?

my post didnt answer these ones directly, but its been answered before... its for govener remove, and speed/gear dependent torque curves...

[WOPALX]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

this post of mine in the "old" v2 thread has most your answers
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=435

Rixst3r thanks but I was looking for Shiv or one of the beta people to give specifics, kind of a formal list of features and benefits. Otherwise it's sort of like speculating to a large extent.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by WOPALX

Rixst3r thanks but I was looking for Shiv or one of the beta people to give specifics, kind of a formal list of features and benefits. Otherwise it's sort of like speculating to a large extent.

its basically a collection of what he has told us so far... Obviously I dont make this shit up, I just listen when he talks, and he hasnt told us the "formal list" yet

EDIT: based on the post from shiv below, it looks like my "speculating to a large extent" was pretty damn close...

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by WOPALX

Map switching - how will this function? Presently we have to pull the covers which is a PITA... is it going to get easier, if so how?

With v2.0, the PROcede will automatically default to a stock performance mode unless the user blips the throttle above 1800rpm during the first 2 seconds after engine start-up. Those unaware of this feature (wives, valet, etc,.) will not do this and the car will behave completely stock-like. With v2.1, the time and RPM parameters will be user-definable through the software so that they can create the map switch conditions they want.

Boost management - what does this allow us to achieve? I assume it allows for cars that don't reach the boost targets?

It involves completely new boost control strategies. Direct dual solenoid control, for one. This means that the PROcede drives the solenoids directly to control boost. Not simply by adjusting the MAP sensor signal and letting the factory boost control do the rest (which results in spiking, oscillation, etc,.). It also means that we effectively eliminate the code that results from boost targets not being met. It also means that we can dictate whatever boost profile we want (both at full and partial throttle) without the factory ECU thinking that there is a boost leak in the system (and inducing limp). Boost management also adjusts not only the max boost level depending on conditions and onboard datalogging, but also the rate of boost rise and decent. Both of which are used to avoid knock retard while still providing max power consistently. In the end, the car ends up feeling more like a high revving NA V8 and less like a turbocharged I6.

User tunable torque curves - what has been tested, has anything broken on Beta vehicles?

Nothing has broken on anyones' car. We just want to be able to satisfy everyone with respect to full throttle power delivery. Some want less low end/midrange/top end power. Some want more. Well, we'll give them the ability to shape their own power curve using 16 RPM Points. Each RPM point has a 0-100% input cell. 0% is no power increase over stock. 100% is full tilt boogie power output.

Speed sensor input - why is this important?

Provides a useful input for 1/4 mile simulations, 0-60 runs, etc,. I'm sure others will also reveal how it can be used to eliminate the speed limiter. Won't be us though...

shiv

[RiXst3r]

is there any feedback to let you know that the procede activated after you do the 1800rpm thingy? Or just wait til you open her up?

[Sniz]

VERY NICE!!


great now we have to speculate what other hidden treasures shiv is going to put in versions 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.999999

[335iheLLraiseR]

anyone else notice he menioned V2.1?

[turbocoins]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

is there any feedback to let you know that the procede activated after you do the 1800rpm thingy? Or just wait til you open her up?

+1 It would be surprising to open it up and find the stock TQ/HP curve when you thought Procede was on board!

[j|rz44]

Will there be a guide "PROcede for dummies"?
for the piggy back nubs!

[purplewidow]

shiv why are you soooooo concerned over the speed limiter...my parents merc s63 had an option when we ordered it called speed limiter defeat and damn is it sweat i can go 186 at least.....if your going 150 and hit something your gonna die so wtf is the diff!!!!!! why are you guys so worried if a company like mercedes/amg has offered it in some of there cars?

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by 335iheLLraiseR

anyone else notice he menioned V2.1?

Sure did and glad too see it. It shows that further development is underway and things will not be left alone to go off onto an unrelated project.

[335iheLLraiseR]

Originally Posted by scalbert

Sure did and glad too see it. It shows that further development is underway and things will not be left alone to go off onto an unrelated project.

very true, thats one of the reasons i went with his products.

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

With v2.1, the time and RPM parameters will be user-definable through the software so that they can create the map switch conditions they want.

[cheapshot] how much will v2.1 run us? [/cheapshot]


seriously though, im not sure im too happy about having to rev my engine on every start up, though i do it anyway

[sajakh]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

With v2.0, the PROcede will automatically default to a stock performance mode unless the user blips the throttle above 1800rpm during the first 2 seconds after engine start-up. Those unaware of this feature (wives, valet, etc,.) will not do this and the car will behave completely stock-like. With v2.1, the time and RPM parameters will be user-definable through the software so that they can create the map switch conditions they want.



It involves completely new boost control strategies. Direct dual solenoid control, for one. This means that the PROcede drives the solenoids directly to control boost. Not simply by adjusting the MAP sensor signal and letting the factory boost control do the rest (which results in spiking, oscillation, etc,.). It also means that we effectively eliminate the code that results from boost targets not being met. It also means that we can dictate whatever boost profile we want (both at full and partial throttle) without the factory ECU thinking that there is a boost leak in the system (and inducing limp). Boost management also adjusts not only the max boost level depending on conditions and onboard datalogging, but also the rate of boost rise and decent. Both of which are used to avoid knock retard while still providing max power consistently. In the end, the car ends up feeling more like a high revving NA V8 and less like a turbocharged I6.



Nothing has broken on anyones' car. We just want to be able to satisfy everyone with respect to full throttle power delivery. Some want less low end/midrange/top end power. Some want more. Well, we'll give them the ability to shape their own power curve using 16 RPM Points. Each RPM point has a 0-100% input cell. 0% is no power increase over stock. 100% is full tilt boogie power output.


Provides a useful input for 1/4 mile simulations, 0-60 runs, etc,. I'm sure others will also reveal how it can be used to eliminate the speed limiter. Won't be us though...

shiv

Dynos, please

Thanks.

[Orb]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

With v2.0, the PROcede will automatically default to a stock performance mode unless the user blips the throttle above 1800rpm during the first 2 seconds after engine start-up. Those unaware of this feature (wives, valet, etc,.) will not do this and the car will behave completely stock-like. With v2.1, the time and RPM parameters will be user-definable through the software so that they can create the map switch conditions they want.

shiv

I hope you will state in the FAQ how to disable this feature altogether. I still don't understand why people think they need this…100HP less means nothing. Better to implement a superior solution than an odd work around which has not been typical for you?

I think i'm not the only one who feels this way.

The other stuff is just very impressive indeed!

Orb

[timtech]

Originally Posted by Orb

I hope you will state in the FAQ how to disable this feature altogether. I still don't understand why people think they need this…100HP less mean nothing. Better to implement superior solution than an odd work around which has not been typical for you?

I think i not the only who feels this way.

I hope there is a bypass too or make it user configurable. But that's just a hope.

[zenmaster]

With v2.0, the PROcede will automatically default to a stock performance mode unless the user blips the throttle above 1800rpm during the first 2 seconds after engine start-up.

Shiv, I think there is a mistake here. Don't you mean it'll to switch to stock map when you intervene, not unless you intervene?

[Orb]

Originally Posted by timtech

I hope there is a bypass too or make it user configurable. But that's just a hope.

In 2.1 he did say RPM and time dependant so setting the parameters to 200 RPM for 2 second will automatically set you in PROcede Mode so there no user actions required. It is not a great idea to blimp the throttle this high when it is -20 C for the first 2 seconds. It should be beta feature until completed so by default it is not active.

Orb