First JB4 Logging, Fast!

sickguy · 03-23-2013, 03:27 AM

I just bought the car less than a month, and I have installed the JB4 to unleash the beast! I'm just running Map 1 with 91 gas, but it's already a different car. I'm a noob when comes to data logging and tuning, although I have used Apex AFC to tune my DSM. Here is my first log, is there something that I should be concerned about?

I could only drive up to 80mph so it's not all the way to 6500rpm, but hope it's fine.

Thanks in advance.

cstavaru · 03-23-2013, 04:49 AM

Yes, you have timing drops which means the knock sensors are detecting suspicious cylinder activity. Without installing additional hardware the correct countermeasure would be to reduce timing advance in that area, but since you can't do it with JB4 your options are to reduce boost in that area or to run higher octane fuel (93).

E90Company · 03-23-2013, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cstavaru

Yes, you have timing drops which means the knock sensors are detecting suspicious cylinder activity. Without installing additional hardware the correct countermeasure would be to reduce timing advance in that area, but since you can't do it with JB4 your options are to reduce boost in that area or to run higher octane fuel (93).

You can cut back timing with the JB4 through the CPS module....

boostaholic786 · 03-23-2013, 09:23 AM

throw a few gallons of E85 with your 91oct and that should correct your timing issue.

sickguy · 03-23-2013, 09:31 AM

The ign adv on the graph really looks bad and gets pulled throughout the log. What should it look like in a normal log? I thought map 1 was for stock car with 91 gas, shouldn't it run a little smoother than what I logged?

sickguy · 03-23-2013, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by boostaholic786

throw a few gallons of E85 with your 91oct and that should correct your timing issue.

I will try e85 soon, but just want to get the baseline log first and make sure it runs ok before throwing in e85. Good tip though!

enrita · 03-23-2013, 10:15 AM

you should use map 5 instead of 1 and maybe limit boost to 12 psi.

marv85 · 03-23-2013, 10:41 AM

I doubt you can run stock timing and 13psi with 91... you can add supporting mods which help but you still won't run stock timing (at least not consistently)...
Map 5 is a good idea. e85 is another good one.

sickguy · 03-23-2013, 10:45 AM

Thanks for the input, I will run Map 5 for some time and get a log after. I still haven't put on the DCI that been sitting

marv85 · 03-23-2013, 11:56 AM

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Thanks for the input, I will run Map 5 for some time and get a log after. I still haven't put on the DCI that been sitting

An intercooler would definitely be a good addition as well.

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 03-23-2013, 12:01 PM

5-6 degrees looks about right for 91 octane @ 13psi on an otherwise stock car at lower RPM. The 10 degrees is just during spool up.

OP I can't tell from the chart but if you don't have ISO firmware yet definitely switch to that. It's all around better than the integrated production firmware they ship with.

Mike

sickguy · 03-23-2013, 12:03 PM

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An intercooler would definitely be a good addition as well.

I probably won't go FBO as I just got an extended warranty so will just install upgrades that are easily reversible, so no dp or intercooler.

But will definitely go E85 as soon as it runs fine on Map 1 so I can rule out other variables if the car has issues with E85.

sickguy · 03-23-2013, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

5-6 degrees looks about right for 91 octane @ 13psi on an otherwise stock car at lower RPM. The 10 degrees is just during spool up.

OP I can't tell from the chart but if you don't have ISO firmware yet definitely switch to that. It's all around better than the integrated production firmware they ship with.

Mike

Mike, I have the G4 board with the latest 082112 firmware, I thought it should be sufficient for my mods as I will only get tune, dci, and E85.

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 03-23-2013, 12:09 PM

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Mike, I have the G4 board with the latest 082112 firmware, I thought it should be sufficient for my mods as I will only get tune, dci, and E85.

It's good. But the G5 ISO is just that much better.

Mike

sickguy · 03-23-2013, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

It's good. But the G5 ISO is just that much better.

Mike

I'll keep that in mind

you don't do g4 to g5 board exchange, do you?

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 03-23-2013, 12:48 PM

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I'll keep that in mind

you don't do g4 to g5 board exchange, do you?

They don't, but the G5 board itself is only $150. Then you can always sell the G4 board to someone with an old JB3 who wants a small upgrade.

Mike

sickguy · 03-25-2013, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

They don't, but the G5 board itself is only $150. Then you can always sell the G4 board to someone with an old JB3 who wants a small upgrade.

Mike

I think that's what I'm going to do, as I only heard good things about the G5.

sickguy · 03-25-2013, 04:03 AM

So I installed the DCI, and changed to Map 5 and ran for 2 days before logging again. I did a few 3rd gear WOT for the Map 5 adaption, but the logs looked much worse than I was on Map 1

sickguy · 03-25-2013, 04:04 AM

Another log. Why the timing dip so much on Map 5 with dci?

robc1976 · 03-25-2013, 04:20 AM

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Another log. Why the timing dip so much on Map 5 with dci?

you need E85 or meth...I am sure you will go E85 because of warranty. Send the logs to Terry also. Start with 35-40% of E85.

sickguy · 03-25-2013, 05:29 PM

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you need E85 or meth...I am sure you will go E85 because of warranty. Send the logs to Terry also. Start with 35-40% of E85.

Yes I will try that, but I just want to make sure Map 5 should run fine on gas 91 even though Map 1 does not.

I already read people having problem with Map 5 changed to other map and then back to Map 5 again, seemed to solve their problems. I will try that and log again, thanks.

djc335 · 03-25-2013, 05:57 PM

did your engine light come on when u first put it in ? i just put mine in yesterday
07 e90 335

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cstavaru Brigadier General 334 Rep 3,262 Posts Drives: 2009 335i M Sport Sedan 6MT Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bucharest, Romania iTrader: (0)	Yes, you have timing drops which means the knock sensors are detecting suspicious cylinder activity. Without installing additional hardware the correct countermeasure would be to reduce timing advance in that area, but since you can't do it with JB4 your options are to reduce boost in that area or to run higher octane fuel (93). __________________ Mods(click): Cobb + RB Turbos \| Aquamist HFS-4 Meth \| Drexler LSD \| Bilstein B12 Pro-Kit \| Custom K&N Apollo Intake \| Wagner Intercooler \| Macht Schnell Downpipes \| BMW Performance Power Kit \| BMW Performance Exhaust \| BMW Performance Short Shifter \| M3 Subframe Bushings \|
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sickguy Private 9 Rep 81 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Sedan AT Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Bay Area CA iTrader: (4)	The ign adv on the graph really looks bad and gets pulled throughout the log. What should it look like in a normal log? I thought map 1 was for stock car with 91 gas, shouldn't it run a little smoother than what I logged?
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marv85 Colonel 71 Rep 2,626 Posts Drives: '07 E92 335i MT Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (7)	I doubt you can run stock timing and 13psi with 91... you can add supporting mods which help but you still won't run stock timing (at least not consistently)... Map 5 is a good idea. e85 is another good one. __________________ '18 F80 M3 Comp 6MT - Stock '07 E92 335i 6MT- HP650, inlets/outlets, ER FMIC, VRSF CP, LPFP stg2, CSF rad, 'is Aux rad, ER OC, Ohlins, M control arms, eibach front sway bar. '05 C55 AMG SOLD - '22 Tesla M3P \| '10 E92 335i M, 6MT \| '07 E90 335i, PTF COBB E50, FBO, HFS4
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sickguy Private 9 Rep 81 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Sedan AT Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Bay Area CA iTrader: (4)	Thanks for the input, I will run Map 5 for some time and get a log after. I still haven't put on the DCI that been sitting
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Mike@N54Tuning.com Joint Chiefs of Staff 5098 Rep 116,225 Posts Drives: 2007 335i, 2015 M3 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: N54tuning.com iTrader: (89)	5-6 degrees looks about right for 91 octane @ 13psi on an otherwise stock car at lower RPM. The 10 degrees is just during spool up. OP I can't tell from the chart but if you don't have ISO firmware yet definitely switch to that. It's all around better than the integrated production firmware they ship with. Mike
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sickguy Private 9 Rep 81 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Sedan AT Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Bay Area CA iTrader: (4)	So I installed the DCI, and changed to Map 5 and ran for 2 days before logging again. I did a few 3rd gear WOT for the Map 5 adaption, but the logs looked much worse than I was on Map 1 Attached Images
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