New Tires & Wheels installed today

Ryebread · 03-26-2013, 06:57 PM

Front:
235/40/18 tire
18x8.5 et35 wheel
10mm spacer

Rear:
265/35/18 tire
18x9.5 et45 wheel
10mm spacer
LCI E90 on sport suspension

BMW 335D 235/35-18 18x9.5 Rear et45 PLUS 10mm spacer from VAC MOTORSPORTS by Ryan Philly, on Flickr

BMW 335D 235/35-18 18x9.5 Rear et45 PLUS 10mm spacer from VAC MOTORSPORTS by Ryan Philly, on Flickr
Rear tire shot^

All 4 pics above are post completion (spacers f + r)

Hello Diesel lovers. I almost never post in the other forums, this is my family here. So although this is not really diesel related, here is my story.

My car came with the summer run flats, boo. But it was graced with the 193 msport wheels, which I love. I live in the Mid-Atlantic area but have rocked the summer tires since getting the car. I cheat. I have a Jeep which I use most of the time in the winter. I just use the 3'er when the weather permits. But the past few winters, as many of you know, have been quite boring, so I am going another route.

When I hit 19,000 miles on the clock (around the first of the year) the front tires started looking pretty well-worn - at least the outer edges

So I needed to start shopping for rubber. I began to look for a set of used wheels that I would use for a winter setup. And I was going to get new summer tires for the 193 wheels.

In the end, I decided to use the 193 wheels for my winters, this way I can be "in love" with my car all year (rather than getting a cheap-temp setup). I'll need winter tires before next season, and look forward to your suggestions. I will be looking for something that is not designed for plowing snow, more for good handling, solid performance in the cold weather and winter rain, maybe a coating of snow -max!

That brings me to the new setup for spring, summer, and early fall. I purchased CSL replicas that are rotary forged and quite lightweight. I have always loved this wheel design. I also got tires and they are quite sticky. I had them on my old Audi and LOVED them in all situations. They completely blew my mind in the wet, especially.

Profile shot:
(oem sport/msport suspension)

BMW 335D with OEM sport suspension, F: 235/40-18 18x8.5 et35 & R: 265/35-18 18x9.5 et45
^no spacers on at time of this shot

The Specs:
18x8.5 et35 17.15lbs (weighed personally)
18.9.5 et45 20.10lbs (weighed personally)

CS.16 CSL SportLine BMW rotary forged wheels 18x8.5 et35 (front e90)

CS.16 CSL SportLine BMW rotary forged 18x9.5 et45 (rear e90)

OEM 193 wheels:
18x8 et34 24.76lbs (from web, will weigh myself Wednesday)
18x8.5 et37 26.30lbs (from web, will weigh myself Wednesday)

Michelin Pilot Super Sport
235/40-18 22.45lbs (weighed personally)
265/35-18 26.40lbs (weighed personally)

Michelin Pilot Super Sport 265/35-18 & 235/40-18

OEM tires:
Bridgestone Potenza Run Flat Summers
225/40-18 23lbs (from web, will weigh myself Wednesday)
255/35-18 27lbs (from web, will weigh myself Wednesday)

Weight - On Paper:
Old set up, tires and wheels:
Front: 47.76lbs
Rear: 53.30lbs

New set up, larger tires and wheels:
Front: 39.60lbs
Rear: 46.70lbs

Weight Reduction - Where It Matters:
It's not a drastically different look, it's an OEM looking wheel!
Forget what the car looks like, I can't believe how much of a difference I can FEEL.
Let me preface this by alerting you that I tested the scale in my company's warehouse. I just couldn't believe the results I was seeing.
They are legit!

I shed 6.6lbs at each rear corner and 8.16lbs for each of the front corners.
I have been reading post after post after post from most of you, suggesting that getting rid of the run flats is the best mod you can do.
And I always shrugged and said, ah, it can't be THAT much better.
Well holy isht, the ride is so smooth, so quiet - I feel like I'm driving on heavenly, snow covered roads now.
It really is worth of the expression "night and day".
Obviously, getting lighter wheels is also making me realize a much improved "ride". It's not all b/c of the tires.

I can seriously feel the weight reduction (wheels for the most part) and tire upgrade (less stiff).
When? All the time.
Sure I feel it when accelerating.
But I feel it especially when I'm turning or braking, wow.

Offset Info and Pic:
This is before spacers:

BMW 335D with OEM sport suspension, F: 235/40-18 18x8.5 et35 & R: 265/35-18 18x9.5 et45

edit to add
Additional Offset Info & Spacers:
10mm hub centric spacers from VAC Motorsports, up front and in rear, same size.
In my opinion, hub centric spacers is the only way to go.
I'm serious that this is the max combination I would go with.
If you're working on spacers/offset yourself, do the math:
Front:
235/40/18 tire
18x8.5 et35 wheel
10mm spacer

Rear:
265/35/18 tire
18x9.5 et45 wheel
10mm spacer
LCI E90 on sport suspension

PERFECT!!!! No rubbing thus far.

Check it out, youtube provided.
I feel that this is the max, without rolling. No rubbing after a serious romp today.

The front is aggressive now:
Front spacers on only, not rears:

Front 235/40-18 18x8.5" et35 + 10mm VacMotorsports Spacer by Ryan Philly, on Flickr

This shows front spacers on, rear spacers not on.
Rears, desperately seeking spacers:

Rear, before spacers by Ryan Philly, on Flickr

Tomorrow, I will pick up the oem tires and wheels from the shop and will weigh them myself.

Cheers all,
Ryebread

335dFan · 03-26-2013, 07:36 PM

Nice. Wheels and summers are my next step too.

FormerRotor · 03-26-2013, 08:04 PM

Looking good, Rye! And congrats on the weight reduction. Taking that much unsprung rotational weight off the car is bound to reap results!

FormerRotor · 03-26-2013, 08:18 PM

Ps...nice shots & nice write-up. What kind of camera are you using?

Ryebread · 03-26-2013, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 335dFan

Nice. Wheels and summers are my next step too.

Thx, you've been quite busy. Prompted me to work on the car

Quote:

Originally Posted by FormerRotor

Looking good, Rye! And congrats on the weight reduction. Taking that much unsprung rotational weight off the car is bound to reap results!

Thank you... I can't believe how much of an improvement!

Quote:

Originally Posted by FormerRotor

Ps...nice shots & nice write-up. What kind of camera are you using?

iPhone & Canon DSLR...You shoot?

FormerRotor · 03-26-2013, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryebread

Thank you... I can't believe how much of an improvement!

iPhone & Canon DSLR...You shoot?

Not well. I occasionally mess around with a Canon G11; nice photo quality, but it's no DSLR. I don't know enough to make use of either...reminds me of my driving: limited by the user not the equipment.

Ryebread · 03-26-2013, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FormerRotor

Not well. I occasionally mess around with a Canon G11; nice photo quality, but it's no DSLR. I don't know enough to make use of either...reminds me of my driving: limited by the user not the equipment.

G11 is no slouch. Photography to me is three things. A good eye. Equipment/knowing how to use it. Post processing. Regarding your equipment and knowing how to use it...... if you're not interesting in learning the camera, put it in P mode, move the aperture around to see the different effect, and set the camera on something or a tripod, and set it up for a two second timer. Not a lot I can do with a car in a crappy parking lot, but a still camera will make a shot look better than avg. good luck.

FormerRotor · 03-26-2013, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryebread

G11 is no slouch. Photography to me is three things. A good eye. Equipment/knowing how to use it. Post processing. Regarding your equipment and knowing how to use it...... if you're not interesting in learning the camera, put it in P mode, move the aperture around to see the different effect, and set the camera on something or a tripod, and set it up for a two second timer. Not a lot I can do with a car in a crappy parking lot, but a still camera will make a shot look better than avg. good luck.

Appreciate the tips! I'm always happy to learn. A buddy of mine is actually taking some photography classes and he has vowed to teach me some of the things he learns. I wouldnt mind taking classes, but first I need to learn Farsi...and get MBA...and create time in the schedule

Ryebread · 03-26-2013, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FormerRotor

Appreciate the tips! I'm always happy to learn. A buddy of mine is actually taking some photography classes and he has vowed to teach me some of the things he learns. I wouldnt mind taking classes, but first I need to learn Farsi...and get MBA...and create time in the schedule

LOL good luck!

It's great to walk around with someone with experience. Let him go to the classes and give you the lesson in half the time and layman terms!

FormerRotor · 03-26-2013, 10:17 PM

^thats the plan!

What kind of Jeep are you rocking btw?

Ryebread · 03-26-2013, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FormerRotor

^thats the plan!

What kind of Jeep are you rocking btw?

JK Wrangler Sahara

Probably going to sell it soon. Resale value is insanity right now. No idea what to replace it with. Something that has a hatchback and awd, m4 R32? Or another SUV like a 4runner. The R would work BC my wife just got a SUV with trailer hitch pkg.

Ryebread · 03-26-2013, 11:28 PM

Going in for alignment on Friday. I will try to source some 5mm spacers in time for the appt.

335dFan · 03-26-2013, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryebread

Quote:

Originally Posted by FormerRotor

^thats the plan!

What kind of Jeep are you rocking btw?

JK Wrangler Sahara

Probably going to sell it soon. Resale value is insanity right now. No idea what to replace it with. Something that has a hatchback and awd, m4 R32? Or another SUV like a 4runner. The R would work BC my wife just got a SUV with trailer hitch pkg.

How about a Cayenne Diesel?

Ryebread · 03-26-2013, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 335dFan

How about a Cayenne Diesel?

LOL nice. I've been reading about them. Mid or late '13 for the US?

Hey, do you think Mike has spacers in stock at vac?
Edit, he does. Homegrown FTW!
http://store.vacmotorsports.com/vac-...-of-2-p70.aspx

Alen E90 · 03-27-2013, 04:23 AM

your car looks great with the new wheels, and i always luvv seeing your pics

thanks for sharing!

Puerto Rican 335d · 03-27-2013, 07:04 AM

Nice Rye congrats!!

Mark M · 03-27-2013, 08:19 AM

Rye, I want your car!!! Love the Le Mans Blue M sport with CSL wheels! That is the perfect D to me.

Will be listing my e46 M3 for sale next week then hope to find a well kept 335d for a fair price. Love the M sports, but the rarity makes it difficult. Believe a Sport Pack model will make me just as happy.

We're almost neighbors...over here in the Lancaster area.

FormerRotor · 03-27-2013, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark M

Rye, I want your car!!! Love the Le Mans Blue M sport with CSL wheels! That is the perfect D to me.

Will be listing my e46 M3 for sale next week then hope to find a well kept 335d for a fair price. Love the M sports, but the rarity makes it difficult. Believe a Sport Pack model will make me just as happy.

We're almost neighbors...over here in the Lancaster area.

Do I hear a not-so-subtle, "Rye, what's your car worth to you?" Between those lines?

I hope we add you to the d club soon, Mark! GL with your search!

Btw, Rye, Nice Jeep! +1 to dFan's diesel suggestion, but I do like those r32s. You could go big and do the bi turbo...then switch it over to a golf-looking exhaust and a standard front/rear fascia and you have one mean sleeper for 24-26k.

Got_Diesel · 03-27-2013, 10:18 AM

My wheels are 195's with OEM RFT's and they weigh about the same was your 193's roughly 47lbs and 52lbs together.

My winters are 17" Rial Salerno's and Dunlop Wintersport 3D's 225/45r17 and they weigh about 45lbs a piece. The difference is AMAZING. I see improvements in gas mileage too!

Ryebread · 03-27-2013, 11:53 AM

I don't have a lot of time to reply personally to everyone but thank you all.
It's nice to get a reply or two regarding photography. Adds to the desire to keep posting pics!

I'm on my way to VAC to have the the pros "eye it / measure it" and I'll prolly go home with 5mm or 8mm spacers.
Homegrown (cost effective), lightweight, quality spacers ftw.
Stay tuned.

p.s. I will reply to the other stuff later, and there's a price for everything

DieselDiner · 03-27-2013, 01:10 PM

That's a really darn good price for a rotary forged wheel. Just shot to the top of my list! Which distributor did you use?

Robspages · 03-27-2013, 04:07 PM

So many Ds in so little space. There seem to be an inordinate number of Eastern PA folks on the diesel board.

That's a gorgeous D made all the better with those wheels. Nice mod. My winter wheels fall into the "cheap temp" category. The Jersey Turnpike damaged one wheel pretty bad, and another has a small amount of damage but enough for me to look for new wheels for next season. Thanks for the OEM-looking tip.

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Ryebread Diesel Fitter 37 Rep 424 Posts Drives: 335d m-sport LMB Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Philaburbia iTrader: (2) Garage List 2013 VW Golf R (awd ... [10.00] 2011 BMW 335D m-sport [0.00]	335 335D NEW Front & Rear Tires / Wheels / offset Front: 235/40/18 tire 18x8.5 et35 wheel 10mm spacer Rear: 265/35/18 tire 18x9.5 et45 wheel 10mm spacer LCI E90 on sport suspension BMW 335D 235/35-18 18x9.5 Rear et45 PLUS 10mm spacer from VAC MOTORSPORTS by Ryan Philly, on Flickr BMW 335D 235/35-18 18x9.5 Rear et45 PLUS 10mm spacer from VAC MOTORSPORTS by Ryan Philly, on Flickr BMW 335D 235/35-18 18x9.5 Rear et45 PLUS 10mm spacer from VAC MOTORSPORTS by Ryan Philly, on Flickr BMW 335D 235/35-18 18x9.5 Rear et45 PLUS 10mm spacer from VAC MOTORSPORTS by Ryan Philly, on Flickr Rear tire shot^ All 4 pics above are post completion (spacers f + r) Hello Diesel lovers. I almost never post in the other forums, this is my family here. So although this is not really diesel related, here is my story. My car came with the summer run flats, boo. But it was graced with the 193 msport wheels, which I love. I live in the Mid-Atlantic area but have rocked the summer tires since getting the car. I cheat. I have a Jeep which I use most of the time in the winter. I just use the 3'er when the weather permits. But the past few winters, as many of you know, have been quite boring, so I am going another route. When I hit 19,000 miles on the clock (around the first of the year) the front tires started looking pretty well-worn - at least the outer edges So I needed to start shopping for rubber. I began to look for a set of used wheels that I would use for a winter setup. And I was going to get new summer tires for the 193 wheels. In the end, I decided to use the 193 wheels for my winters, this way I can be "in love" with my car all year (rather than getting a cheap-temp setup). I'll need winter tires before next season, and look forward to your suggestions. I will be looking for something that is not designed for plowing snow, more for good handling, solid performance in the cold weather and winter rain, maybe a coating of snow -max! That brings me to the new setup for spring, summer, and early fall. I purchased CSL replicas that are rotary forged and quite lightweight. I have always loved this wheel design. I also got tires and they are quite sticky. I had them on my old Audi and LOVED them in all situations. They completely blew my mind in the wet, especially. Profile shot: (oem sport/msport suspension) BMW 335D with OEM sport suspension, F: 235/40-18 18x8.5 et35 & R: 265/35-18 18x9.5 et45 ^no spacers on at time of this shot The Specs: 18x8.5 et35 17.15lbs (weighed personally) 18.9.5 et45 20.10lbs (weighed personally) CS.16 CSL SportLine BMW rotary forged wheels 18x8.5 et35 (front e90) CS.16 CSL SportLine BMW rotary forged 18x9.5 et45 (rear e90) OEM 193 wheels: 18x8 et34 24.76lbs (from web, will weigh myself Wednesday) 18x8.5 et37 26.30lbs (from web, will weigh myself Wednesday) Michelin Pilot Super Sport 235/40-18 22.45lbs (weighed personally) 265/35-18 26.40lbs (weighed personally) Michelin Pilot Super Sport 265/35-18 & 235/40-18 OEM tires: Bridgestone Potenza Run Flat Summers 225/40-18 23lbs (from web, will weigh myself Wednesday) 255/35-18 27lbs (from web, will weigh myself Wednesday) Weight - On Paper: Old set up, tires and wheels: Front: 47.76lbs Rear: 53.30lbs New set up, larger tires and wheels: Front: 39.60lbs Rear: 46.70lbs Weight Reduction - Where It Matters: It's not a drastically different look, it's an OEM looking wheel! Forget what the car looks like, I can't believe how much of a difference I can FEEL. Let me preface this by alerting you that I tested the scale in my company's warehouse. I just couldn't believe the results I was seeing. They are legit! I shed 6.6lbs at each rear corner and 8.16lbs for each of the front corners. I have been reading post after post after post from most of you, suggesting that getting rid of the run flats is the best mod you can do. And I always shrugged and said, ah, it can't be THAT much better. Well holy isht, the ride is so smooth, so quiet - I feel like I'm driving on heavenly, snow covered roads now. It really is worth of the expression "night and day". Obviously, getting lighter wheels is also making me realize a much improved "ride". It's not all b/c of the tires. I can seriously feel the weight reduction (wheels for the most part) and tire upgrade (less stiff). When? All the time. Sure I feel it when accelerating. But I feel it especially when I'm turning or braking, wow. Offset Info and Pic: This is before spacers: BMW 335D with OEM sport suspension, F: 235/40-18 18x8.5 et35 & R: 265/35-18 18x9.5 et45 edit to add Additional Offset Info & Spacers: 10mm hub centric spacers from VAC Motorsports, up front and in rear, same size. In my opinion, hub centric spacers is the only way to go. I'm serious that this is the max combination I would go with. If you're working on spacers/offset yourself, do the math: Front: 235/40/18 tire 18x8.5 et35 wheel 10mm spacer Rear: 265/35/18 tire 18x9.5 et45 wheel 10mm spacer LCI E90 on sport suspension PERFECT!!!! No rubbing thus far. Check it out, youtube provided. I feel that this is the max, without rolling. No rubbing after a serious romp today. The front is aggressive now: Front spacers on only, not rears: Front 235/40-18 18x8.5" et35 + 10mm VacMotorsports Spacer by Ryan Philly, on Flickr This shows front spacers on, rear spacers not on. Rears, desperately seeking spacers: Rear, before spacers by Ryan Philly, on Flickr Rear, before spacers by Ryan Philly, on Flickr Tomorrow, I will pick up the oem tires and wheels from the shop and will weigh them myself. Cheers all, Ryebread Last edited by Ryebread; 07-27-2013 at 08:09 PM..
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FormerRotor Lieutenant Colonel 110 Rep 1,621 Posts Drives: 2011 335d, M-Sport Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: MD iTrader: (5) Garage List 2011 BMW 335d [0.00]	Looking good, Rye! And congrats on the weight reduction. Taking that much unsprung rotational weight off the car is bound to reap results! __________________ My Picture Threads (Oldest to Newest): 1 2 3 Join BMW CCA! (Use my link and I get credit )
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FormerRotor Lieutenant Colonel 110 Rep 1,621 Posts Drives: 2011 335d, M-Sport Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: MD iTrader: (5) Garage List 2011 BMW 335d [0.00]	Ps...nice shots & nice write-up. What kind of camera are you using? __________________ My Picture Threads (Oldest to Newest): 1 2 3 Join BMW CCA! (Use my link and I get credit )
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FormerRotor Lieutenant Colonel 110 Rep 1,621 Posts Drives: 2011 335d, M-Sport Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: MD iTrader: (5) Garage List 2011 BMW 335d [0.00]	^thats the plan! What kind of Jeep are you rocking btw? __________________ My Picture Threads (Oldest to Newest): 1 2 3 Join BMW CCA! (Use my link and I get credit )
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Ryebread Diesel Fitter 37 Rep 424 Posts Drives: 335d m-sport LMB Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Philaburbia iTrader: (2) Garage List 2013 VW Golf R (awd ... [10.00] 2011 BMW 335D m-sport [0.00]	Going in for alignment on Friday. I will try to source some 5mm spacers in time for the appt.
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Alen E90 Lieutenant General 765 Rep 10,033 Posts Drives: E90 328i TiAg Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (7)	your car looks great with the new wheels, and i always luvv seeing your pics thanks for sharing! __________________ TiAg FTW!
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Mark M Major 245 Rep 1,294 Posts Drives: E30M3 E83X3 E90335D Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lancaster, PA iTrader: (0)	Rye, I want your car!!! Love the Le Mans Blue M sport with CSL wheels! That is the perfect D to me. Will be listing my e46 M3 for sale next week then hope to find a well kept 335d for a fair price. Love the M sports, but the rarity makes it difficult. Believe a Sport Pack model will make me just as happy. We're almost neighbors...over here in the Lancaster area.
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Got_Diesel Second Lieutenant 20 Rep 297 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: United States iTrader: (0)	My wheels are 195's with OEM RFT's and they weigh about the same was your 193's roughly 47lbs and 52lbs together. My winters are 17" Rial Salerno's and Dunlop Wintersport 3D's 225/45r17 and they weigh about 45lbs a piece. The difference is AMAZING. I see improvements in gas mileage too!
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Ryebread Diesel Fitter 37 Rep 424 Posts Drives: 335d m-sport LMB Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Philaburbia iTrader: (2) Garage List 2013 VW Golf R (awd ... [10.00] 2011 BMW 335D m-sport [0.00]	I don't have a lot of time to reply personally to everyone but thank you all. It's nice to get a reply or two regarding photography. Adds to the desire to keep posting pics! I'm on my way to VAC to have the the pros "eye it / measure it" and I'll prolly go home with 5mm or 8mm spacers. Homegrown (cost effective), lightweight, quality spacers ftw. Stay tuned. p.s. I will reply to the other stuff later, and there's a price for everything __________________ lemans 335D m-sport SOLD rising blue Golf R SOLD sepang blue Audi S3
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DieselDiner Lieutenant Colonel 505 Rep 1,614 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Home iTrader: (2)	That's a really darn good price for a rotary forged wheel. Just shot to the top of my list! Which distributor did you use? __________________
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Robspages Driver 1 Rep 24 Posts Drives: 2009 Alpine White 335d Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Atglen,PA iTrader: (0)	So many Ds in so little space. There seem to be an inordinate number of Eastern PA folks on the diesel board. That's a gorgeous D made all the better with those wheels. Nice mod. My winter wheels fall into the "cheap temp" category. The Jersey Turnpike damaged one wheel pretty bad, and another has a small amount of damage but enough for me to look for new wheels for next season. Thanks for the OEM-looking tip.
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