Fuel Injector Replaced

Got_Diesel · 04-02-2013, 12:41 AM

Diesel Brothers,

My SES came on this past Friday. I figured it was EGR or SCR related like usual until I noticed a very rough idle as well as very rough revs from idle to 1200rpm. At first I was worried about my little turbo being in trouble (since I read on here someone had a small turbo replaced on theirs)

The car ran fine on the highway when it was above 1700rpm. I did notice it was prematurely downshifting and sometimes felt like it was low on power down low. Eventually the roughness went away.

My Service Advisor called me today and told me that I needed a new fuel injector. Not sure which one or if they’ll open a new one but a PUMA case has been opened so far. I should have my car tomorrow. No word on any other injectors being replaced or a fuel pump. I asked my SA to look into carbon build up as well.

I’ll keep you guys posted with all the info as I get it.

I have 42,000 miles on my d. She’s a build date October 2009 as a model year 2010.

GreekboyD · 04-02-2013, 06:32 AM

A few guys have had this and it's turned out being DDE related.

135i_vs_ · 04-02-2013, 07:48 AM

Can you get the code from the SA?
If the code is for "Zero Volume Adaptation", your injector is most likely NOT the problem.

Too many injectors are being blamed as a problem in these cars when they really are working fine.

I will be posting a long report on this issue as soon as I get my car back from the dealer.

DunkinV · 04-02-2013, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 135i_vs_

Can you get the code from the SA?
If the code is for "Zero Volume Adaptation", your injector is most likely NOT the problem.

Too many injectors are being blamed as a problem in these cars when they really are working fine.

I agree with this. I had 6 injector replacements and many read as Zero Quantity Volume Adaptation errors. The issues cleared up when my DDE was replaced.

Got_Diesel · 04-02-2013, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreekboyD

A few guys have had this and it's turned out being DDE related.

Gonna ask my SA today about that when he calls me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 135i_vs_

Can you get the code from the SA?
If the code is for "Zero Volume Adaptation", your injector is most likely NOT the problem.

Too many injectors are being blamed as a problem in these cars when they really are working fine.

I will be posting a long report on this issue as soon as I get my car back from the dealer.

I figured that much. If my injector had an issue it would run like crap all together. It ran fine on the highway when up in the RPM. it was down low and at idle it ran rough.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DunkinV

I agree with this. I had 6 injector replacements and many read as Zero Quantity Volume Adaptation errors. The issues cleared up when my DDE was replaced.

Just reread your thread as I have heard before on here as well that the DDE may be the issue.

I'll keep you guys posted!

135i_vs_ · 04-02-2013, 11:00 AM

The DDE software errors were discovered sometime is 2010 for the Zero Volume Adaptation at Min. I would be surprised if your DDE wasn't replaced or updated yet for this fix...

So if the DDE fix does not do it, insist them to inspect the cylinder head for excessive soot + tar build up.

Tell them to also run injector tests to verify injector is functioning to spec.

First confirm the code(s) is for Zero Volume Adaptation at Min.

Attached is the SIB for the DDE software issue. I'm not sure if it is the latest SIB...

chau · 04-02-2013, 05:23 PM

I had an SES light come on at 48,xxx miles. Turned out to be injector 1 fault. The code was cleared and I drove 1000 miles without the SES coming back. Still, I took it in and told the service advisor what the issue was. They went ahead and replaced my injector with no code stored and SES light at the time of service. It just sucks that dealerships don't carry diesel parts in stock and you usually have to wait 2-3 days before getting the car back.

montr · 04-02-2013, 08:05 PM

On my car, injector #2 keep failing. On the 3th time, they updated the software and did not replace the injector. So far, so good.

Got_Diesel · 04-03-2013, 08:11 PM

Got my car back today and boy does it feel good to be back in a real car. I had a bare bones 328i loaner. No premium, no sport, NOTHING and the MSRP was $39,500. I cannot understand how someone would spend that much money on such a piece of garbage. It rides nice, it's quiet, smooth but it was no sport whatsoever. The ride is VERY bouncy and it understeers all day. It's very bad. The engine did impress me. Lots of power especially at redline. It doesn't fall off at all, no lag. One of the best turbo 4 units I've experienced. Better than Audi/VW's turbo 4. I drove the hell out of it and still got about 29mpg which is impressive. It is a quick little car in the straight line for sure.

Now to the news about my car. Injector #2 was replaced for a fault code of 4AE6 stored in the DDE. The injector test did indeed result in Zero Volume Adaptation at Min as stated by others on here.

What's interesting is the pdf that 135i_vs posted.

"When driving downhill (coasting off-throttle) at higher altitudes (above 3,300 feet) with cold external temperatures, the "MIL" or Service Engine Soon lamp comes on. The engine idle quality may then be somewhat erratic."

March 24th, about a week before the SES came on, I was skiing in Vermont which would constitute the altitude and cold external temperature....as well as a lot of coasting downhill....

I guess we'll see if this continues to happen or not.

I'm glad to be back in the D. I missed her a lot.

135i_vs_ · 04-03-2013, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Got_Diesel

I drove the hell out of it and still got about 29mpg which is impressive.

Now to the news about my car. Injector #2 was replaced for a fault code of 4AE6 stored in the DDE. The injector test did indeed result in Zero Volume Adaptation at Min as stated by others on here.

I guess we'll see if this continues to happen or not.

I haven't been able to get over 21-22MPG out of the N20 motor (Had a loaner 328 x-drive for 1 month, had another 328 x-drive for another month, now have an X1 over a month). My driving is about 61 miles a day, city+highway mixed.

Let us know how it goes...

Deed · 04-08-2013, 12:27 AM

Guys

I traded my d in last December and miss it every day. I have been keeping up with this forum hoping for a conclusive fix to the injector/carbon/dde issues. I will buy another one as own as I am confident these cars will handle high mileage.

This thread triggered something that may help others. Of my multiple injector failures (cant remember how many now), at least half through a mil and went into limp mode while going downhill, coasting, at high altitude and cold temps. Seems like a strange coincidence...

AzureHaze · 04-08-2013, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Deed

Guys

I traded my d in last December and miss it every day. I have been keeping up with this forum hoping for a conclusive fix to the injector/carbon/dde issues. I will buy another one as own as I am confident these cars will handle high mileage.

This thread triggered something that may help others. Of my multiple injector failures (cant remember how many now), at least half through a mil and went into limp mode while going downhill, coasting, at high altitude and cold temps. Seems like a strange coincidence...

Maybe you'll have a better experience with the new line of diesels that are going to be released soon, especially the 535d.

What are you driving now?

Deed · 04-08-2013, 10:43 PM

Really hoping for a permanent fix for the 335d. I drive about 80k a year and don't want to buy new as depreciation is brutal.

I did buy a new car in December though and it was a significant departure for me...a GTI. Drove a TDI Touareg for a couple of years and it was great, but only averaged about 25 mpg (don't believe other numbers you hear). The TDI VW 4 bangers are absolute dogs...I don't care what anyone says.

When the weather is good, traffic is light, and the roads are twisty, the GTI is a great little car. Clearly, it is no substitute for the 335 however and I don't anticipate keeping it long. MPGs are rated at 33 but my all highway avg is barely 29. Worst yet it is still quite slow compared to most everything else I have ever owned.

If VW does bring the rumored GTD over...that might be interesting.

AzureHaze · 04-09-2013, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deed

Really hoping for a permanent fix for the 335d. I drive about 80k a year and don't want to buy new as depreciation is brutal.

I did buy a new car in December though and it was a significant departure for me...a GTI. Drove a TDI Touareg for a couple of years and it was great, but only averaged about 25 mpg (don't believe other numbers you hear). The TDI VW 4 bangers are absolute dogs...I don't care what anyone says.

When the weather is good, traffic is light, and the roads are twisty, the GTI is a great little car. Clearly, it is no substitute for the 335 however and I don't anticipate keeping it long. MPGs are rated at 33 but my all highway avg is barely 29. Worst yet it is still quite slow compared to most everything else I have ever owned.

If VW does bring the rumored GTD over...that might be interesting.

Holy moly that's a lot of driving! I should stop whining about my 50 mile daily work commute in brutal LA traffic.

I hear nothing but good things about the GTI but not much good things about VW, especially their reliability record.

I'm looking forward for the GTD to come to the land of the free someday but I'm more looking forward to a true 335d successor. A 1-series diesel would be even more awesome!

rogerdiaz · 06-17-2013, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 135i_vs_

The DDE software errors were discovered sometime is 2010 for the Zero Volume Adaptation at Min. I would be surprised if your DDE wasn't replaced or updated yet for this fix...

So if the DDE fix does not do it, insist them to inspect the cylinder head for excessive soot + tar build up.

Tell them to also run injector tests to verify injector is functioning to spec.

First confirm the code(s) is for Zero Volume Adaptation at Min.

Attached is the SIB for the DDE software issue. I'm not sure if it is the latest SIB...

Thanks for the info. Performance BMW Chapel Hill, NC states this is not covered under my BMW Gold Warranty Package. I have 80k. What are my options. Invoice attached.

Atlas1 · 06-17-2013, 03:22 PM

I have this zero quantity adaptation thing. My car has been in 4 times in 6 months. Injectors replaced multiple times. Now my car is back in the shop and I'm waiting for a new cylinder head to come in. I have a damn 328i that shuts off at stop lights and it's 100 degrees here!

This is depressing.

AzureHaze · 06-18-2013, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlas1

I have a damn 328i that shuts off at stop lights and it's 100 degrees here!

This is depressing.

You can turn off the start/stop function you know. I know I was also depressed with a F30 328i loaner.

100 degrees huh? We'll be hittin' the triple-digit temperatures over here real soon except we won't have the humidity like y'all do in the South!

GreekboyD · 06-18-2013, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlas1

I have this zero quantity adaptation thing. My car has been in 4 times in 6 months. Injectors replaced multiple times. Now my car is back in the shop and I'm waiting for a new cylinder head to come in. I have a damn 328i that shuts off at stop lights and it's 100 degrees here!

This is depressing.

No way that it is the injectors after multiple changes. DDE for sure.

Got_Diesel · 07-08-2013, 08:13 AM

Now I have 46,000 miles and 3 months later, my SES came on during a long road trip on the way home. Appears to be the same as last time. Rough idle down low, feels like i have less power.

Car still managed 33mpg and runs fine up top (a bit more turbo lag, feels a bit slower)

Gonna set up an appointment and see whats up.

joe_planet · 07-08-2013, 10:37 AM

2 things, you better get the extended warranty lol
and get that dde replaced, the chances of an injector failing with that few miles are pretty low

rogerdiaz · 07-14-2013, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlas1

I have this zero quantity adaptation thing. My car has been in 4 times in 6 months. Injectors replaced multiple times. Now my car is back in the shop and I'm waiting for a new cylinder head to come in. I have a damn 328i that shuts off at stop lights and it's 100 degrees here!

This is depressing.

Contact BMW Customer Relations. For some reason, they think i'm the only one with this issue. Anyone know how to verify if PuMA cases exist for this 335d issue.

Got_Diesel · 07-26-2013, 09:46 AM

Just got my car back. They had it for almost a week. Same Fuel Injector went out with the zero adaptation fault. They replaced that injector again and this time they re-calibrated/reprogrammed the DDE. Did a software update on it to make sure everything is up to date and good to go.

Lets see how she holds up.

04-02-2013, 12:41 AM	#1
Got_Diesel Second Lieutenant 20 Rep 297 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: United States iTrader: (0)	Fuel Injector Replaced Diesel Brothers, My SES came on this past Friday. I figured it was EGR or SCR related like usual until I noticed a very rough idle as well as very rough revs from idle to 1200rpm. At first I was worried about my little turbo being in trouble (since I read on here someone had a small turbo replaced on theirs) The car ran fine on the highway when it was above 1700rpm. I did notice it was prematurely downshifting and sometimes felt like it was low on power down low. Eventually the roughness went away. My Service Advisor called me today and told me that I needed a new fuel injector. Not sure which one or if they’ll open a new one but a PUMA case has been opened so far. I should have my car tomorrow. No word on any other injectors being replaced or a fuel pump. I asked my SA to look into carbon build up as well. I’ll keep you guys posted with all the info as I get it. I have 42,000 miles on my d. She’s a build date October 2009 as a model year 2010.
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135i_vs_ Captain 75 Rep 697 Posts Drives: M5, 135i, 335d, F10 550xi Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: CT iTrader: (0)	Can you get the code from the SA? If the code is for "Zero Volume Adaptation", your injector is most likely NOT the problem. Too many injectors are being blamed as a problem in these cars when they really are working fine. I will be posting a long report on this issue as soon as I get my car back from the dealer.
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chau Second Lieutenant 28 Rep 234 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Philadelphia iTrader: (0)	I had an SES light come on at 48,xxx miles. Turned out to be injector 1 fault. The code was cleared and I drove 1000 miles without the SES coming back. Still, I took it in and told the service advisor what the issue was. They went ahead and replaced my injector with no code stored and SES light at the time of service. It just sucks that dealerships don't carry diesel parts in stock and you usually have to wait 2-3 days before getting the car back.
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montr Captain 192 Rep 768 Posts Drives: 2010 335d, 2018 430i G-Coupe Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA iTrader: (0)	On my car, injector #2 keep failing. On the 3th time, they updated the software and did not replace the injector. So far, so good.
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04-03-2013, 08:11 PM	#9
Got_Diesel Second Lieutenant 20 Rep 297 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: United States iTrader: (0)	Got my car back today and boy does it feel good to be back in a real car. I had a bare bones 328i loaner. No premium, no sport, NOTHING and the MSRP was $39,500. I cannot understand how someone would spend that much money on such a piece of garbage. It rides nice, it's quiet, smooth but it was no sport whatsoever. The ride is VERY bouncy and it understeers all day. It's very bad. The engine did impress me. Lots of power especially at redline. It doesn't fall off at all, no lag. One of the best turbo 4 units I've experienced. Better than Audi/VW's turbo 4. I drove the hell out of it and still got about 29mpg which is impressive. It is a quick little car in the straight line for sure. Now to the news about my car. Injector #2 was replaced for a fault code of 4AE6 stored in the DDE. The injector test did indeed result in Zero Volume Adaptation at Min as stated by others on here. What's interesting is the pdf that 135i_vs posted. "When driving downhill (coasting off-throttle) at higher altitudes (above 3,300 feet) with cold external temperatures, the "MIL" or Service Engine Soon lamp comes on. The engine idle quality may then be somewhat erratic." March 24th, about a week before the SES came on, I was skiing in Vermont which would constitute the altitude and cold external temperature....as well as a lot of coasting downhill.... I guess we'll see if this continues to happen or not. I'm glad to be back in the D. I missed her a lot.
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GreekboyD Brigadier General 416 Rep 3,051 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW 335d Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 335d [8.00]	A few guys have had this and it's turned out being DDE related.
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Deed New Member 1 Rep 17 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Ohio iTrader: (0)	Guys I traded my d in last December and miss it every day. I have been keeping up with this forum hoping for a conclusive fix to the injector/carbon/dde issues. I will buy another one as own as I am confident these cars will handle high mileage. This thread triggered something that may help others. Of my multiple injector failures (cant remember how many now), at least half through a mil and went into limp mode while going downhill, coasting, at high altitude and cold temps. Seems like a strange coincidence...
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Deed New Member 1 Rep 17 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Ohio iTrader: (0)	Really hoping for a permanent fix for the 335d. I drive about 80k a year and don't want to buy new as depreciation is brutal. I did buy a new car in December though and it was a significant departure for me...a GTI. Drove a TDI Touareg for a couple of years and it was great, but only averaged about 25 mpg (don't believe other numbers you hear). The TDI VW 4 bangers are absolute dogs...I don't care what anyone says. When the weather is good, traffic is light, and the roads are twisty, the GTI is a great little car. Clearly, it is no substitute for the 335 however and I don't anticipate keeping it long. MPGs are rated at 33 but my all highway avg is barely 29. Worst yet it is still quite slow compared to most everything else I have ever owned. If VW does bring the rumored GTD over...that might be interesting.
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Atlas1 New Member 0 Rep 6 Posts Drives: Alpine White BMW 335d Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Savannah, GA iTrader: (0)	I have this zero quantity adaptation thing. My car has been in 4 times in 6 months. Injectors replaced multiple times. Now my car is back in the shop and I'm waiting for a new cylinder head to come in. I have a damn 328i that shuts off at stop lights and it's 100 degrees here! This is depressing.
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Got_Diesel Second Lieutenant 20 Rep 297 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: United States iTrader: (0)	Now I have 46,000 miles and 3 months later, my SES came on during a long road trip on the way home. Appears to be the same as last time. Rough idle down low, feels like i have less power. Car still managed 33mpg and runs fine up top (a bit more turbo lag, feels a bit slower) Gonna set up an appointment and see whats up.
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joe_planet Captain 45 Rep 800 Posts Drives: 2011 X5d Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: DFW iTrader: (1)	2 things, you better get the extended warranty lol and get that dde replaced, the chances of an injector failing with that few miles are pretty low
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Got_Diesel Second Lieutenant 20 Rep 297 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: United States iTrader: (0)	Just got my car back. They had it for almost a week. Same Fuel Injector went out with the zero adaptation fault. They replaced that injector again and this time they re-calibrated/reprogrammed the DDE. Did a software update on it to make sure everything is up to date and good to go. Lets see how she holds up.
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