[per]

Modded E60M5 vs Modded 335i...

Edit: initial thread here == http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83626

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Picked up this on 6spedonline


Heres a clip of my friends E90 335i 6Mt vs my other friends E60 M5 with mods.The 335 is the camera car.

E60 M5 mods : Straight pipes, CAI, removed charcoal filter. IN P500!

E90 335i mods : Procede v2, custom tune, Custom dp, custom exhaust, custom FMIC.

me vs Modded E60 m5
2nd gear roll from 40-155 ( 335 hits govoner )

335 vs 2 modded E60 m5's
1st gear roll from 20-125ish

[doba_s]

I thought it was Walked U vs JonMartin & OC335i (2) vs Modded E60 m5

-> http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83626

[///MWA]

This e90 is very fast

[Zeiss]

Looks familiar! LOL

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by per

Modded E60M5 vs Modded 335i...

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Picked up this on 6spedonline


Heres a clip of my friends E90 335i 6Mt vs my other friends E60 M5 with mods.The 335 is the camera car.

E60 M5 mods : Straight pipes, CAI, removed charcoal filter. IN P500!

E90 335i mods : Procede v2, custom tune, Custom dp, custom exhaust, custom FMIC.

me vs Modded E60 m5
2nd gear roll from 40-155 ( 335 hits govoner )

335 vs 2 modded E60 m5's
1st gear roll from 20-125ish

Yes it is real. The 335i belongs to Walked U. It was the car I used yesterday to develop the v2 map for 335 with dps and exhaust. Appears to be quite quick

shiv

[AR230WAKEBOARDER]

That is awesome. Those are the mods I am putting on my 135i =)

Dare I say High 11's with a 135i with bolt-ons?

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Yes it is real. The 335i belongs to Walked U. It was the car I used yesterday to develop the v2 map for 335 with dps and exhaust. Appears to be quite quick

shiv

Shiv, why haven't I ever gotten a call back, or a PM regarding downpipe maps for my car? I've contacted you guys in different ways numerous times.

[down4it]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Yes it is real. The 335i belongs to Walked U. It was the car I used yesterday to develop the v2 map for 335 with dps and exhaust. Appears to be quite quick

shiv

Can i get that map when my V2 comes in Shiv? I have catless DP's, full exhaust, the Spearco FMIC, and very soon a CAI...

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Shiv, why haven't I ever gotten a call back regarding downpipe maps for my car?

I don't know. What did you ask for? If you asked for downpipe maps, we didn't have anything until yesterday evening. And only for v2 which only a handful of people have right now.

Shiv

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by down4it

Can i get that map when my V2 comes in Shiv? I have catless DP's, full exhaust, the Spearco FMIC, and very soon a CAI...

Yes, it will be up on the website for download along with the v2 firmware, software and instructionals.

Shiv

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I don't know. What did you ask for? If you asked for downpipe maps, we didn't have anything until yesterday evening. And only for v2 which only a handful of people have right now.

Shiv

I asked to do pretty much the same thing as walked U did--drive down and get a downpipe program.
I guess since it's already been done then I would assume that the maps would be available for everybody then?

I guess I should place an order for the V2 then huh?

[down4it]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Yes, it will be up on the website for download along with the v2 firmware, software and instructionals.

Shiv

You da man!

[Serjames]

wow impressive stuff indeed.

Can't wait !

SJ

[f30er]

saw those on Bimmerforums a few hours ago....very impressive...

[Cornhusker]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Yes, it will be up on the website for download along with the v2 firmware, software and instructionals.

Shiv

Shiv, what did walked u's car dyno at with v2, etc?

[j|rz44]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Yes it is real. The 335i belongs to Walked U. It was the car I used yesterday to develop the v2 map for 335 with dps and exhaust. Appears to be quite quick

shiv

you must of had some dyno time.... lets see em

[BoostedBMW]

Originally Posted by jmramos44

you must of had some dyno time.... lets see em

+1

Nice to see that there is a map for downpipes now.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by AR230WAKEBOARDER

That is awesome. Those are the mods I am putting on my 135i =)

Dare I say High 11's with a 135i with bolt-ons?

Probably the same with a 335i.
The 135 with same amount of fuel is only about 70 pounds lighter.
The exhaust system is different however, so you never know how much of a gain a custom exhaust will give the 135i. It might be more restrictive due to space and therefore not put out the same power as a 335i with custom exhaust.
It may also not have as much room for larger/better FMIC.

Even though BMW lists the 135i, 335i, and 535i as having the same power output, I'm sure they vary a bit.
The engine is underrated at 300 hp and 300 lbs-ft of torque so that gives BMW the ability to rate all the same power output, even if, in fact they are not.
It has been shown by Shiv and possibly others that the 535i is making about 3-5 hp less on a dyno than the 335i.
My guess is that would be because of a more restrictive exhaust.
The 135i could also possibly have a more restrictive exhaust since it doesn't have a true dual exhaust all the way back. But rather joins into one muffler.
So it also might truly have 3-5 hp less from the get go.

Also keep in mind the 135i is less aerodynamic than the 335i. (.34 co drag vs. .30 for the 335i)
That also plays a factor as speeds climb.
This is shown in BMW's own "testing" which may be more marketing hype than anything. They say the 135i is .2 seconds faster to 100 kph (62.1 mph) but to 200 kph (124 mph) it's only .1 seconds faster. The 335i is actually beginning to gain then, that's the 335i's superior aerodynamics at work.

Out of the gate speeds for the 135i will also depend on wheels/tires.
if it can't fit as wide of wheels/tires as the 335i it will be at a big disadvantage there too. If it can fit 9.5 or 10 inch wide wheels and 265 or 275 series tires, then it will be on equal ground in that arena as the 335i.

Again, I have a feeling the 135i won't be any faster than the 335i on average, especially well into the triple digit speeds, where it might actually be a tick slower.

[DrDomer]

Not to mention the 135 is ugly.

[eleven11]

Nice synopsis Driver72.

[BoostedBMW]

Originally Posted by AR230WAKEBOARDER

That is awesome. Those are the mods I am putting on my 135i =)

Dare I say High 11's with a 135i with bolt-ons?

Best of luck in getting there, but I have some serious doubts about it.

Everyone keeps making like the difference in weight between the 335i and 135i is like the difference between an H2 Hummer and a Lotus Elise, but 100lbs really isn't much. Of course there will be other variables that we will have to wait and see. I wonder what type of gearing the car will have in addition to some of the points that Driver72 made in reference to wheel/tire limitations that may or may not be there. I guess we will find out soon enough. In any case, its a cool car, but for the compromise that needs to be made with the styling I think that the car better shed some more lbs and really step up in the handling department before it debuts.

[hool97]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Yes it is real. The 335i belongs to Walked U. It was the car I used yesterday to develop the v2 map for 335 with dps and exhaust. Appears to be quite quick

shiv

Very cool and good to know.