EGR Delete

dL_EVO · 09-07-2013, 08:04 AM

It appears that the EGR is the main issue with the carbon buildup? Wrong or right?

Has anyone tried to just remove the EGR and replace it with a straight pipe without a proper tune? Whats the repercussions of doing this?

floydarogers · 09-07-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dL_EVO

It appears that the EGR is the main issue with the carbon buildup? Wrong or right?

Has anyone tried to just remove the EGR and replace it with a straight pipe without a proper tune? Whats the repercussions of doing this?

It will set codes and never pass emissions - especially in CA where they read the codes.

DieselDiner · 09-07-2013, 01:23 PM

It might be worthwhile to spend some time in the UK technical forum, as they have been driving the 335d for longer than us, and have experience with the EGR and its deletion. There are definitely kits available over there: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALLARD-BMW-3...item2a30809d6a

floydarogers · 09-07-2013, 07:33 PM

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It might be worthwhile to spend some time in the UK technical forum, as they have been driving the 335d for longer than us, and have experience with the EGR and its deletion....

None of those will work with ours, which has an electric valve and monitoring sensor (which the older UK/EU versions do not.) Yes, you can use their pipe, but it's going to set codes. None of those have the ability to flash our non-flashable DDE (which is also different than theirs.)

DieselDiner · 09-07-2013, 08:38 PM

Agreed, but there are tuners in Canada (Toronto I think) that can code the DDE and do the necessary work, including deleting/modding the DPF, if one is so inclined.

brusk · 09-08-2013, 09:50 AM

Does anybody have the ability to change the US DDE to a Eruo DDE?

floydarogers · 09-08-2013, 11:38 AM

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Does anybody have the ability to change the US DDE to a Eruo DDE?

I doubt that a US M57 would run (well or at all) with a EU DDE. Pretty much every engine control is different. Have you read the training manual stuff that's been posted around the www? Search for "AdvancedDiesel with BluePerformance.pdf".

brusk · 09-08-2013, 02:12 PM

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I doubt that a US M57 would run (well or at all) with a EU DDE. Pretty much every engine control is different. Have you read the training manual stuff that's been posted around the www? Search for "AdvancedDiesel with BluePerformance.pdf".

That's why I was wondering if anybody has tried that. If you have a 3.0 in euro with about the same output and their DDE doesn't have to worry about controlling all the emissions crap then if somebody had the equipment to code all of it properly then you could start removing all of the emissions crap. That's the kind of crap they've done ti 18 wheelers, either code out the emissions or swap to an older computer and recode it. But alot more money being thrown around in the 18 wheeler world, 4K to get rid of emissions people don't even blink at.

Puerto Rican 335d · 09-09-2013, 07:25 AM

Amigos i have a friend whom happens to be part of the European Partnership and has a way to get into our ECU's and make changes he has already performed such things thru a friend of mines via OBD II port and via his laptop and going thru internet he got into my friendes ECu and made certain changes, i will confer with him to see if he can go into mines ok!! will keep everyone posted!!!!!

gruppeM3 · 09-09-2013, 04:12 PM

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Amigos i have a friend whom happens to be part of the European Partnership and has a way to get into our ECU's and make changes he has already performed such things thru a friend of mines via OBD II port and via his laptop and going thru internet he got into my friendes ECu and made certain changes, i will confer with him to see if he can go into mines ok!! will keep everyone posted!!!!!

This would be so awesome!

Puerto Rican 335d · 09-09-2013, 04:29 PM

He just contacted me my friend has the programs he needs to read my ecu now we need to coordinate a time for all to converge and see what I have will keep everyone posted ok

zoltans4 · 09-09-2013, 06:27 PM

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He just contacted me my friend has the programs he needs to read my ecu now we need to coordinate a time for all to converge and see what I have will keep everyone posted ok

I was told our ECU wasn't editable through the OBD post which is why your whole ECU needs to be removed to flash files.
This would be nice if it turns out to be possible tho...

dL_EVO · 09-09-2013, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by zoltans4

I was told our ECU wasn't editable through the OBD post which is why your whole ECU needs to be removed to flash files.
This would be nice if it turns out to be possible tho...

It's not that it's not "editable", it's just nobody has cracked our ECU yet. That's the information I'm getting from Dinan and Cobb Tuning. I get the impression from them that it's possible, but they don't invest the time because there isn't enough interest to make it worth their time.

Hoooper · 09-09-2013, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by zoltans4

I was told our ECU wasn't editable through the OBD post which is why your whole ECU needs to be removed to flash files.
This would be nice if it turns out to be possible tho...

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Originally Posted by dL_EVO

It's not that it's not "editable", it's just nobody has cracked our ECU yet. That's the information I'm getting from Dinan and Cobb Tuning. I get the impression from them that it's possible, but they don't invest the time because there isn't enough interest to make it worth their time.

thats right. Its "protected" which means you can get to it if you crack the protection. Seems like the right job for someone whose into cars and proficient in computer programming (hacking?)

DBABHLR · 09-09-2013, 09:06 PM

2nd that.

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This would be so awesome!

brusk · 09-09-2013, 09:13 PM

It would be nice if somebody has figured something out on these, but this is why I was thinking it would be easier to start with a non US spec DDE something that can be torn into and redone.

Puerto Rican 335d · 09-10-2013, 07:07 AM

My friend in Puerto Rico had some changes performed by the guy Im mentioning and he could actually see what he was doing thru his laptop and made some minor changes to his car, we'll see what he can do for my car and i will post about it, if he can make the changes we ALL DESIRE, amigos then you will hv to go thru me jajaja just kidding we'll see what happens though!!

dL_EVO · 09-13-2013, 08:51 PM

If the car just sets some engine fault codes with a "deleted" EGR pipe, but the car runs fine. Wouldn't it be in our best interest to delete the EGR if it means we no longer have to worry about carbon build up?

floydarogers · 09-14-2013, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dL_EVO

If the car just sets some engine fault codes with a "deleted" EGR pipe, but the car runs fine. Wouldn't it be in our best interest to delete the EGR if it means we no longer have to worry about carbon build up?

Only if you don't care about passing emissions testing.

dL_EVO · 09-14-2013, 01:08 AM

I actually don't give a shit about a smog and most people who are seriously about modding cars don't care.

DieselDiner · 09-14-2013, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dL_EVO

It appears that the EGR is the main issue with the carbon buildup? Wrong or right?

Has anyone tried to just remove the EGR and replace it with a straight pipe without a proper tune? Whats the repercussions of doing this?

Read this thread about these guys: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ht=toronto+dpf

I'm pretty certain that if you contact them, they are going to be able to offer what you want. They're in Europe, so it won't be easy, but it will be doable.

Hoooper · 09-14-2013, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by floydarogers

Only if you don't care about passing emissions testing.

You wouldn't fail if its coded out. Only the code would fail you but if its tuned out, no code.

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DieselDiner Lieutenant Colonel 507 Rep 1,614 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Home iTrader: (2)	Agreed, but there are tuners in Canada (Toronto I think) that can code the DDE and do the necessary work, including deleting/modding the DPF, if one is so inclined. __________________
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Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 231 Rep 3,488 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	Amigos i have a friend whom happens to be part of the European Partnership and has a way to get into our ECU's and make changes he has already performed such things thru a friend of mines via OBD II port and via his laptop and going thru internet he got into my friendes ECu and made certain changes, i will confer with him to see if he can go into mines ok!! will keep everyone posted!!!!! __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
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