[makkan00]

Since iOS7 is just around the corner (18th Sept), so I started looking for more info on it so that if the previous shortfalls have been covered in this iOS. But hell NO!

- E-mail pushing does not work on iOS6 and no evidence that is has worked on iOS7 beta 1 and beta 2. (Apple's fault)
Hoping that it may work on iOS7.
- BMW applications are not yet compatible with iOS7 and as soon as you launch them on iOS7, they crash. (BMW's fault)
Hope that BMW will update their applications soon.

I am not sure whether I should opt for iOS7 or stay at iOS6 considering 6FL, 6NF and 6NR works on my car.

The most shocking news is....

What is the harm if BMW's engineers spend sometime and tweak their OS on the CIC to accommodate airplay mode. It may not be possible with CIC but at least they can tweak NBT CIC (new CIC).

Typical BMW attitude and in a way very similar to the attitude of Apple.

[CustomColours]

Sam. You could just buy a good phone. Iphone is so far behind the times its actually unreal. The new galaxy s4 is almost hands free. It follows eye movement for page surfing, hand and eye moevement for delving through phitos etc etc using an active matrix screen that can virtually see you.

All of that and apple decide to make face time????

I was video calling from an old sagem back when 3 network first arrived back when I was 15-16.

Apple need to stop trying to take over the world and conform like the rest. That way it would make bmw's job less tricky.

Come on sam. I know you want to. Lol

[CustomColours]

Iv got you another cic controller by the way. Pm me your address again and ill post it tommorrow.

[All Taken]

If they updated older systems then its less incentive for the customer to upgrade... This is why the two companies do so well.

BMW smack of this attitude, even parts specialists advise buying a whole new car to gain bluetooth! I would go so far as to say the CIC system will not see any added functionality at all.

The advice regarding jumping to android will not ease the iPhone constraint as android handset manufacturers also abandon 1 year old devices and won't update them with features of the new model, take the galaxy s4 as an example.

[G82Dude]

Yup, Apple, who basically (re)invented the smart phone have simply become complacent - a new OS simply won't cut it by moving a few icons around and changing the "natural" feel. And a 5C or 5S won't do it either. The competition have simply moved the game on further, with Apple playing catch up. It's like Sony and portable music; they invented the concept, Apple went iPod and reinvented it and look what Sony has to offer now...! Apple are falling by the wayside as each subsequent iPhone now is just evolution not revolution.

Get a decent phone!

[CarAbuser]

Best solution is to stay with IOS5 and jailbreak the phone. Nothing of value has been added, they just make the OS more memory and processor heavy so people upgrade to new phones.

You can get a mod that makes Siri always listen for voice commands (no pressing buttons required) so you can select songs by shouting commands while your phone is tucked away.

[makkan00]

I have used android phones and custom ROMs on android phones. After Galaxy S2, I moved to Apple.
Same goes with Apple, after iphone 1, 2 and 3 I moved to Samsung Galaxy. I have jail broken those phones.
I am trying to say that I was in to phones at some point. There was a point when Sony Ericsson launched first touch phone (P800) and I owned that. I have been official moderator of Nokia forums for sometime. So I have compared / used / tweaked few phones.

Now to respond to you guys saying 'change the phone', I will give you example from yesterday. I coded BMW Internet and online on a car yesterday. The chap had iphone 4s and Galaxy S3. We connected S3 to CIC and as soon as we started tethering, phone crashed. I commented that I'm glad that Samsung does not make cars.
The guy connected 4s and no issues.

I am not preferring one phone over the other and on the other side I am not defending one brand over the other.

My point is that when apple is allowing to mirror their phone / OS on the navigation system, then what is harm in working with them!
Just imagine that on a traffic light, a toyota park next to you. On his navigation he is mirroring iphone functions / screen and you cannot do it.
That is where I see BMW showing their typical attitude. We are the best and we do not require any further improvement / or BMW is all about driving and we cannot be bothered to integrate apple iOS into our OS.


On a side note, I completely agree that iphone has lost its way. New iOS7 is more like an android phone tbh. The difference is that it comes with finger print reader so that CIA can create / access all the finger print data of iphone users.

On the other side, some Android phones are brilliant however when it comes to reliability of OS / Phone, they are not up to job. They crashes / restarts when you try to use them to their max capabilities. That why I hesitate to move back to android phones.

[gangzoom]

Cannot see BMW changing the way they operate, they make £££ from people ticking boxes in the options sheet.

My wifes Civic (only cost us £13K pre-registered, with 1K on the clock ) has a better satnav/stereo/gadgets than the my 335i. It probably costs about £13K in options to spec up a BMW to the same level....but if people are willing to pay why would BMW change the way they do things.

[CustomColours]

Originally Posted by uke92dude

Yup, Apple, who basically (re)invented the smart phone have simply become complacent - a new OS simply won't cut it by moving a few icons around and changing the "natural" feel. And a 5C or 5S won't do it either. The competition have simply moved the game on further, with Apple playing catch up. It's like Sony and portable music; they invented the concept, Apple went iPod and reinvented it and look what Sony has to offer now...! Apple are falling by the wayside as each subsequent iPhone now is just evolution not revolution.

Get a decent phone!

[xPETEZx]

I would hold off upgrading to iOS7.

IF your current iPhone does all you want from a device then stick to it.

Wait for the dust to settle and app developers (including BMW) to catch up and get there apps sorted for the latest iOS.

Unless iOS 7 has a feature you REALLY want (and is more important than the above) why upgrade now?

[All Taken]

Originally Posted by xPETEZx

I would hold off upgrading to iOS7.

IF your current iPhone does all you want from a device then stick to it.

Wait for the dust to settle and app developers (including BMW) to catch up and get there apps sorted for the latest iOS.

Unless iOS 7 has a feature you REALLY want (and is more important than the above) why upgrade now?

I think Sam already gets this but the point is BMW app development have had months to get their apps ready for ios7.

[nicktyler]

Apple lost me after watching the 5S reveal and making it out to be the best thing since sliced bread. No. It is just more sliced bread...

I now have a Galaxy S4 and it is so much better than the 4s I had and 5 which I borrowed for a month. I can't see me going back to apple anytime soon.

[CS1984]

Enters thread.

See's fanboys being fanboys.

Leaves thread.

[makkan00]

Guys
I guess we are discussing here about BMW and not apple V/S android.

Is there a way to have android UI on the CIC?

If yes, I'll go for it today. No harm in chaging the phone

[m@rk]

I actually think that a lot of what we are seeing here is the marketing people looking for a flashing feature to put in the brochure but in todays world, trying to integrate any mobile phone is difficult and frankly pointless.

Sure lets have a bluetooth connection so we can do handsfree calls and look up contacts but beyond that, why do you want any other integration with the phone itself?

Give the car it's own data connection (which BMW have already done) and let all other interaction be direct. Facebook, Twitter, Exchange Email, Gmail, Google Maps (or any other maps) etc etc etc can all be accessed directly from the servers without the phone in your pocket ever being involved and just as importantly without your phone ever having to leave your pocket whilst you are in the car (safer for everybody)

Take this approach and you remove all the compatibility problems with IOS vs Android vs Windows vs Blackberry etc which is especially good when the car manufacturers are so far behind the phone manufacturers.

Certainly BMW already have this capability as do Audi. I am not talking about trying to use an archaic technology like RSAP as a work around either but a proper dedicated data connection for the car with the back end services to match.

[m@rk]

Originally Posted by makkan00

The difference is that it comes with finger print reader so that CIA can create / access all the finger print data of iphone users.

You've been working all weekend on that tinfoil hat haven't you

[Castle]

Why would BMW change anything to please the small (and getting smaller) iPhone crowd?

[m@rk]

Originally Posted by Castle

Why would BMW change anything to please the small (and getting smaller) iPhone crowd?

Well with 700 million iPhone users out there I suppose the question would be why would BMW want to alienate those users or any other phone users?

[CS1984]

Originally Posted by Castle

Why would BMW change anything to please the small (and getting smaller) iPhone crowd?

They've sold 30 million units in the last quarter? Small crowd?

[Castle]

Originally Posted by CS1984

They've sold 30 million units in the last quarter? Small crowd?

14% of the market and decreasing...
The truth is, no matter how many iPhone users there are out there, there is at least 4 times as many of other brands. So, again, why should BMW bother with iPhone users these days?

[makkan00]

Originally Posted by Castle

Why would BMW change anything to please the small (and getting smaller) iPhone crowd?

You should truly spend sometime on piston head or HUKD website and start taking part in the discussion iOS vs Android phones

[makkan00]

Originally Posted by m@rk

I actually think that a lot of what we are seeing here is the marketing people looking for a flashing feature to put in the brochure but in todays world, trying to integrate any mobile phone is difficult and frankly pointless.

Sure lets have a bluetooth connection so we can do handsfree calls and look up contacts but beyond that, why do you want any other integration with the phone itself?

Give the car it's own data connection (which BMW have already done) and let all other interaction be direct. Facebook, Twitter, Exchange Email, Gmail, Google Maps (or any other maps) etc etc etc can all be accessed directly from the servers without the phone in your pocket ever being involved and just as importantly without your phone ever having to leave your pocket whilst you are in the car (safer for everybody)

Take this approach and you remove all the compatibility problems with IOS vs Android vs Windows vs Blackberry etc which is especially good when the car manufacturers are so far behind the phone manufacturers.

Certainly BMW already have this capability as do Audi. I am not talking about trying to use an archaic technology like RSAP as a work around either but a proper dedicated data connection for the car with the back end services to match.

Thats what we call sensible response and it makes sense