Runs against the e90/2 m3?

marCOCOpuffs · 10-28-2013, 01:54 PM

Has anyone done a run with the e90(2) M3? I found a post in 2012 that said we are even to about 110mph. Curious to see if we have new results with the ISO update to the jb4.

deemarr 335i · 10-28-2013, 02:01 PM

FBO+E85 ive walked two of them, one modded one stock

marCOCOpuffs · 10-28-2013, 02:33 PM

Sweet. FBO? Intake, tune, DP? I'm curious as I have jb4 stage 2 and DP. Haven't really considered any other mods.

deemarr 335i · 10-28-2013, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by marCOCOpuffs

Sweet. FBO? Intake, tune, DP? I'm curious as I have jb4 stage 2 and DP. Haven't really considered any other mods.

Yea tune/dp/intake/flex fuel wires/fmic....u should be able to beat a stock one.

hetzle · 10-28-2013, 02:46 PM

FBO would be DP, tune, FMIC, intake + ethanol

paradoxical3 · 10-28-2013, 07:28 PM

M3's are slow in a straight line compared to a modified N55. A tune/bolt on 135 or 335 will be low 12's or high 11's with a good launch. M3's stock run 12.6 with a GOOD driver for DCT and more realistically, 12.8-13.1 - especially with MT. Add in e85 or meth to the N55 and it's a massacre. Hell, my 3900lb X1 is running a 12.5. A lighter 335 will be significantly faster than that.

Road course will be a different story, obviously. Power doesn't really help you much there, and you'd need coilovers/bushings/wheels/tires/braces/etc to hang with a M3.

CPWINCH · 10-28-2013, 07:38 PM

i destroyed an e93

marCOCOpuffs · 10-28-2013, 08:59 PM

Any suggestions on a sweet spot? Anything under 120 I assume..

paradoxical3 · 10-28-2013, 09:01 PM

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Any suggestions on a sweet spot? Anything under 120 I assume..

You'll win until you get into 6th gear past 5500rpm. You wan to keep your revs down as that's where you make the most power. You'll make more power than the M3 through every gear up until 6th, where you can't shift anymore to stay in your power band. The M3 gains power as revs build while you lose it, so his sweet spot will be at the top of the rev range while that will be your weakest.

mazda3ndp · 10-29-2013, 01:24 PM

stock for stock which is faster? and if your modded... how about racing supercharged "modded" m3? Game over... I have a n55 xdrive at cobb stg 1 and a e93 m3 manual test pipe and tune. from a dig the 335 is quicker, by 50ish mph the m3 is just starting to stretch its legs, but 100mph the m3 is quicker. I enjoy both of these cars much but if a nice person presented me the choice to pick one of the cars, I would be happy and grateful either way.

hetzle · 10-29-2013, 01:45 PM

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stock for stock which is faster? and if your modded... how about racing supercharged "modded" m3? Game over... I have a n55 xdrive at cobb stg 1 and a e93 m3 manual test pipe and tune. from a dig the 335 is quicker, by 50ish mph the m3 is just starting to stretch its legs, but 100mph the m3 is quicker. I enjoy both of these cars much but if a nice person presented me the choice to pick one of the cars, I would be happy and grateful either way.

Stock for stock the M3 is faster, but keep in mind that your 335i x-drive is slower than a RWD version, and your E93 M3 is slower than an E90 or E92 M3. FBO 335's will beat M3's, supercharged M3's will walk FBO 335's.

marCOCOpuffs · 10-29-2013, 05:35 PM

So I'm guessing I need a few more mods (intake, fmic, 100 octane) to be competitive. Right?

hetzle · 10-29-2013, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by marCOCOpuffs

So I'm guessing I need a few more mods (intake, fmic, 100 octane) to be competitive. Right?

Downpipe, FMIC, and ethanol/methanol/race gas = dead M3. Intake adds maybe 10whp once you're fully modded, but some would argue that you lose power

mike@x-ph.com · 10-29-2013, 07:51 PM

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So I'm guessing I need a few more mods (intake, fmic, 100 octane) to be competitive. Right?

let me know when you are ready to add more mods

Jon@NL · 10-30-2013, 12:18 PM

If you're running e85, you don't need to be FBO to walk a stock M3. It's a huge, huge advantage (30+ whp).

If you're on 93 Octane, you'll need DP and FMIC, possibly intake.

Briancanadiano · 10-30-2013, 12:35 PM

Here in Ontario Canada we don't have e85... What do we do? Only 94 octane, possible add some octane booster?

eyim1988 · 10-30-2013, 01:19 PM

@ downpipe/tune/20% e-85 i was neck to neck with a 2011 competition dct e92 m3 from 30-140

madmanhiker · 10-30-2013, 01:49 PM

m3's aren't any fun to run against TBO...

FBO/ISO/+meth here...

marCOCOpuffs · 10-30-2013, 02:55 PM

I don't have any ethanol stations where I live, but oddly enough I has two gas stations that sell 100-110 octane race fuel. I think I'll try map 7 and do the ISO update. I'm a bit skeptical on the IC as I don't see how it offers any noticeable gains. (Unless I have no other mods left) which I could be getting to after I try out an intake.

hetzle · 10-30-2013, 03:55 PM

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I don't have any ethanol stations where I live, but oddly enough I has two gas stations that sell 100-110 octane race fuel. I think I'll try map 7 and do the ISO update. I'm a bit skeptical on the IC as I don't see how it offers any noticeable gains. (Unless I have no other mods left) which I could be getting to after I try out an intake.

Intercoolers offer huge gains, heat soak is especially bad down in Riverside (I went to UCR) and a larger FMIC will mitigate that, freeing up 1-2psi

marCOCOpuffs · 10-30-2013, 04:30 PM

I would agree, but it's like 50 degrees right now. Lol. I went to ucr too btw.

Rival · 10-30-2013, 04:59 PM

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I don't have any ethanol stations where I live, but oddly enough I has two gas stations that sell 100-110 octane race fuel. I think I'll try map 7 and do the ISO update. I'm a bit skeptical on the IC as I don't see how it offers any noticeable gains. (Unless I have no other mods left) which I could be getting to after I try out an intake.

e85 is 103/104 octane....just for a reference.

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marCOCOpuffs Second Lieutenant 5 Rep 200 Posts Drives: 2011 335i Sedan Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Riverside, CA iTrader: (2)	Sweet. FBO? Intake, tune, DP? I'm curious as I have jb4 stage 2 and DP. Haven't really considered any other mods.
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paradoxical3 Lieutenant Colonel 1014 Rep 1,563 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: USA iTrader: (6)	M3's are slow in a straight line compared to a modified N55. A tune/bolt on 135 or 335 will be low 12's or high 11's with a good launch. M3's stock run 12.6 with a GOOD driver for DCT and more realistically, 12.8-13.1 - especially with MT. Add in e85 or meth to the N55 and it's a massacre. Hell, my 3900lb X1 is running a 12.5. A lighter 335 will be significantly faster than that. Road course will be a different story, obviously. Power doesn't really help you much there, and you'd need coilovers/bushings/wheels/tires/braces/etc to hang with a M3. Last edited by paradoxical3; 10-28-2013 at 07:39 PM..
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mazda3ndp Captain 54 Rep 604 Posts Drives: E9x M3 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bergen NJ iTrader: (8)	stock for stock which is faster? and if your modded... how about racing supercharged "modded" m3? Game over... I have a n55 xdrive at cobb stg 1 and a e93 m3 manual test pipe and tune. from a dig the 335 is quicker, by 50ish mph the m3 is just starting to stretch its legs, but 100mph the m3 is quicker. I enjoy both of these cars much but if a nice person presented me the choice to pick one of the cars, I would be happy and grateful either way.
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marCOCOpuffs Second Lieutenant 5 Rep 200 Posts Drives: 2011 335i Sedan Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Riverside, CA iTrader: (2)	So I'm guessing I need a few more mods (intake, fmic, 100 octane) to be competitive. Right?
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Jon@NL Private 24 Rep 81 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: United States iTrader: (0)	If you're running e85, you don't need to be FBO to walk a stock M3. It's a huge, huge advantage (30+ whp). If you're on 93 Octane, you'll need DP and FMIC, possibly intake.
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marCOCOpuffs Second Lieutenant 5 Rep 200 Posts Drives: 2011 335i Sedan Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Riverside, CA iTrader: (2)	I don't have any ethanol stations where I live, but oddly enough I has two gas stations that sell 100-110 octane race fuel. I think I'll try map 7 and do the ISO update. I'm a bit skeptical on the IC as I don't see how it offers any noticeable gains. (Unless I have no other mods left) which I could be getting to after I try out an intake.
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marCOCOpuffs Second Lieutenant 5 Rep 200 Posts Drives: 2011 335i Sedan Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Riverside, CA iTrader: (2)	I would agree, but it's like 50 degrees right now. Lol. I went to ucr too btw.
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