320d (177) Tuning?

Holjon · 11-07-2007, 05:23 AM

Does anyone know of a company currently chipping these engines?
Also, has anyone had it done and is it worthwhile?

Many thanks

Bumps · 11-07-2007, 05:37 AM

Welcome Holjon!

Though the 177 is a 'new engine', DMS mapped the 'old' 163 version up to 209bhp (www.dmsautomotive.com) - they're expensive but have excellent aftersales etc from what I understand. Believe Superchips do it and Chiptune also, no doubt amongst others. That's all I know, as I was investigating it for my 120d but never got round to it. DMS would have been my choice, as much for their thoroughness as for the fact that I live close by. A couple of the guys here have remaps on 320ds, so no doubt one of them will impart their wisdom. Also see this thread:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94011

Let us know what you go for.

Holjon · 11-07-2007, 12:17 PM

Just spoke to DMS. At this time there is no work that can be done to chip the new diesel engined 320. Apparently the ECU is encrypted and so may never be able to alter the map. Shame.

Bumps · 11-07-2007, 03:05 PM

I asked DMS the same question about my 320i (yes Carlos I know the gains wouldn't have been worth it - before you start

), and got the same answer. Because I knew that it might not be that lucrative for them to remap NA 2.0 petrols, I wondered if they just couldn't be bothered, but thought it unlikely. Sounds like there was a BMW conspiracy after all!! I think people remapping basically takes BM's profits away. They have a finely structured range, the prime example being 325d buyers get the same engine as 330d buyers effectively (though not exactly - but a remap can really close the gap), so they could buy a 325d and map it, and save a packet, and BMW lose out. See this thread

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...cult+remappers

E92Fan · 11-07-2007, 05:41 PM

Everyone's quite correct - the new ECUs in the latest-build cars have more advanced encryption on them so it's proving very difficult to remap the ECUs. You can install piggy-back modules instead, but that's not technically a remap.. As far as I know, Birds/Hartge UK are the only company who can get through the encryption, as they have links to a programming team in Germany who have the direct access to the ECU software...

Holjon · 11-07-2007, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E92Fan

As far as I know, Birds/Hartge UK are the only company who can get through the encryption, as they have links to a programming team in Germany who have the direct access to the ECU software...

And they charge you for it!!! £1200 for a remap, and only 13hp gains..... not so attractive.

E92Fan · 11-07-2007, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holjon

And they charge you for it!!! £1200 for a remap, and only 13hp gains..... not so attractive.

Yes, not the cheapest... don't know about the gains though - I have a feeling the PDF file on the website is wrong as I think it still refers to the old engine... not sure though so don't quote me!

Bumps · 11-08-2007, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holjon

And they charge you for it!!! £1200 for a remap, and only 13hp gains..... not so attractive.

330cdsport · 11-08-2007, 08:54 AM

I assume that a tuningbox should still work with the 320d (177). Should take it up to about 210.

Cafe.Racer · 11-08-2007, 04:49 PM

I have a Steinbauer P-Box on my 163 320d - works very well. They're specific to specific models, but you could check with them, Steinbauer UK have been very helpful.

Phantomwar · 11-15-2007, 03:50 PM

Anyone found out which Chip is the best for this engine ? Is it possible to use the same chip for the E92 320d, 177hp as the 120d,177hp ?

CrimsonRedE93 · 11-16-2007, 01:44 PM

I was just reading the WDS on the 320i (thinks its N45 engine) and the S verion os the engine used for touring cars that outputs 275hp.

I guess the are probably not many parts that have not been changed though.

E92Fan · 11-16-2007, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantomwar

Anyone found out which Chip is the best for this engine ? Is it possible to use the same chip for the E92 320d, 177hp as the 120d,177hp ?

Yes, they're the same engine and gearbox combination. However depending on when your car was produced, the encryption levels on the ECU might be different, so one may be easier to remap than the other. The only sure way to tell is to give the VIN number to someone like DMS Automotive who can find out very quickly if it's high-level encryption or medium-level.

Incidentally, if it's high-level, very few places are managing to crack the code. Birds/Hartge is one, and the others as far as I am aware use external piggyback boxes.

Cafe.Racer · 11-18-2007, 03:52 PM

Hmm. I don't know, but while you might be right that, fundamentally, the engine is the same, there appears to be a lot more "gubbins" bolted onto it.

So, encryption aside, I'm not sure that a 177 could run a map from a 163. I very much doubt it.

E92Fan · 11-18-2007, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cafe.Racer

Hmm. I don't know, but while you might be right that, fundamentally, the engine is the same, there appears to be a lot more "gubbins" bolted onto it.

So, encryption aside, I'm not sure that a 177 could run a map from a 163. I very much doubt it.

a 177hp can NOT run the map from the 163hp as you say, but the 177hp engine in a 120d uses the same map as the 177hp engine in the 320d (which I think was the original question)

Cafe.Racer · 11-18-2007, 05:16 PM

Ah, I get yer...

spanishooligan · 11-18-2007, 05:50 PM

has anyone heard of a tunit plug and play chip? i saw it on the net a few days ago and it seemed intresting. if you google it you will get their web

Phantomwar · 02-04-2008, 07:39 PM

Hi,

Has anybody in this forum tried this plug and play tuning chip for the 320D 177HP ?

http://www.chiptuningdirect.com/bmw/...0kw_cr_en.html

nagge · 02-05-2008, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantomwar

Hi,

Has anybody in this forum tried this plug and play tuning chip for the 320D 177HP ?

http://www.chiptuningdirect.com/bmw/...0kw_cr_en.html

Come on, you live in Norway, home to one of the best BMW tuners in the world, ESS Tuning

RDG 40 · 02-05-2008, 02:07 PM

deisel tuning uk do a box for the 177hp

218hp and 420Nm

Phantomwar · 02-05-2008, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RDG 40

deisel tuning uk do a box for the 177hp

218hp and 420Nm

Is this a plug and play box where you can install the chip by yourself in 5 minutes without any ECU/Software update etc. ?

dxb335d · 02-05-2008, 06:33 PM

you can always stick a tuning box on, they WILL work. Not as good as a re-map but never the less if no re-map is available this is the only option.

Carlos

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Bumps Captain 18 Rep 859 Posts Drives: E92 320i M Sport Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hampshire, UK iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 E92 320i M Sport [0.00]	Welcome Holjon! Though the 177 is a 'new engine', DMS mapped the 'old' 163 version up to 209bhp (www.dmsautomotive.com) - they're expensive but have excellent aftersales etc from what I understand. Believe Superchips do it and Chiptune also, no doubt amongst others. That's all I know, as I was investigating it for my 120d but never got round to it. DMS would have been my choice, as much for their thoroughness as for the fact that I live close by. A couple of the guys here have remaps on 320ds, so no doubt one of them will impart their wisdom. Also see this thread: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94011 Let us know what you go for.
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Holjon Private 15 Rep 80 Posts Drives: GT3 RS Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North Devon iTrader: (0)	Just spoke to DMS. At this time there is no work that can be done to chip the new diesel engined 320. Apparently the ECU is encrypted and so may never be able to alter the map. Shame.
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Bumps Captain 18 Rep 859 Posts Drives: E92 320i M Sport Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hampshire, UK iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 E92 320i M Sport [0.00]	I asked DMS the same question about my 320i (yes Carlos I know the gains wouldn't have been worth it - before you start), and got the same answer. Because I knew that it might not be that lucrative for them to remap NA 2.0 petrols, I wondered if they just couldn't be bothered, but thought it unlikely. Sounds like there was a BMW conspiracy after all!! I think people remapping basically takes BM's profits away. They have a finely structured range, the prime example being 325d buyers get the same engine as 330d buyers effectively (though not exactly - but a remap can really close the gap), so they could buy a 325d and map it, and save a packet, and BMW lose out. See this thread http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...cult+remappers
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Cafe.Racer Captain 31 Rep 896 Posts Drives: 320d Touring Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Nottingham, UK iTrader: (1)	I have a Steinbauer P-Box on my 163 320d - works very well. They're specific to specific models, but you could check with them, Steinbauer UK have been very helpful. __________________ Phil
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Cafe.Racer Captain 31 Rep 896 Posts Drives: 320d Touring Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Nottingham, UK iTrader: (1)	Hmm. I don't know, but while you might be right that, fundamentally, the engine is the same, there appears to be a lot more "gubbins" bolted onto it. So, encryption aside, I'm not sure that a 177 could run a map from a 163. I very much doubt it. __________________ Phil
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