[WannaBMW12]

Currently Own: 2011 335i Coupe IDrive

Current Sound System: Stock Base Unit - 2 front door, 2 rear, 2 under-seat, NO TWEETERS (6 Speakers Total).

My Experience: None. Never installed any car audio system upgrades

My Thoughts: I can't stand the underwhelming sound in this car. I listen to Trance, Progressive House, Hardstyle, and Hardcore music only, and I am getting robbed of feeling the heavy clean base and euphoric melodic highs of the music which I listen to. I have decided to upgrade and after some research have come up with the following:

1. Stage One, BMW E92 10+ Base Audio
2011 BMW 335i / 335is / 335d Coupé Base (Stereo) E92

Front Door Tweeters (2) BAVSOUND 25mm Silk Tweeter
Front Door Midranges (2) BAVSOUND 100mm Offset Mount 3-Leg Midrange, Integrated Filter
Rear Side Panel Midranges (2) BAVSOUND 100mm 3-Leg Midrange
Hardware & Wiring (1) Original BMW E92 Front Tweeter Housing - Left
Hardware & Wiring (1) Original BMW E92 Front Tweeter Housing - Right

http://www.bavsound.com/Stage-One/Buy-Now/

2. Under-Seat - Earthquake Sound SWS-8Xi 8-inch Shallow Woofer System Subwoofer (2-OHM)

Note sure if it makes any difference if I were to get the 4-ohm or not?

http://www.amazon.com/Earthquake-SWS...rthquake+SWS-8

3. Amplifier:

a) Pioneer GM-D8604 Class FD 4-Channel Bridgeable Amplifier

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-GM-D86...117726&sr=1-13

OR

b) JX1000/1D - JL Audio Monoblock 1000W RMS Class D Amplifier

http://www.amazon.com/JX1000-1D-Audi...117726&sr=1-11

Any thoughts on which one I should buy. Any recommended alternatives?

4. AMP Install Kit: KnuKonceptz KCA Complete 4 Gauge Amp Installation Kit

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0050I6KII/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

5. Sound Deadening: Dynamat 10435 12" x 36" x 0.067" Thick Self-Adhesive Sound Deadener with Xtreme Door Kit

http://www.amazon.com/Dynamat-10435-...ywords=dynamat

Should I get more, or will this be enough for the doors and rear speaker area, with some left over for the trunk? I guess I can always order more later.

6. Optional: Pyle PLPR210A Dual 10-Inch Slim Design Powered Enclosure System

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I actually got this sub for free from my friends brother. I was told it has a fairly tight sound. Might be over-kill but once installed I guess I can just disable it if its to much BOOM & Pow!!


QUESTIONS for the Knowledgeable:

1. Any glaring omissions or choice errors in my set-up? What would you change, add, remove?

2. I may try to install this myself, but if it doesn't work out then I'll be going to a shop to have it done. I'm in the Detroit area so I'll be going with either

A) Car Tunes: http://www.cartunesstereo.com/

OR

B) A2 Motorsports: http://www.a2motorsports.com/ecommer...?zt=1&cdg=6338

How much would an average shop charge for a complete install? All, speakers, subs, and sound deadening? I have no frame of reference, so if anyone has an idea in the ballpark rage it would be very helpful prior to me contacting the shops.

Thanks for any input guys

[ctuna]

You forgot about the boosted eq from the base radio.
This needs to be corrected by a Jl cleansweep , processor or
recoding the head unit to hi fi
The 4 channel amp you picked is on the very cheap end.
A Technic Harness is suggested so your wiring doesn't get
hacked up.
A quality install would be 500 and up I think.(US Dollars)
There are not many shops that know how to do a good job on a BMW.
Are you shooting for a balanced system or a heavy bass system?

Something like this would be better.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=822366

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=445266

[WannaBMW12]

Originally Posted by ctuna

You forgot about the boosted eq from the base radio.
This needs to be corrected by a Jl cleansweep , processor or
recoding the head unit to hi fi

Not sure how to pick one. Any suggestions of what would be a good fit for my needs? Seems there is so much variety in the suggestion and I have ZERO familiarity with this.

The 4 channel amp you picked is on the very cheap end.

Alternative suggestions?

A Technic Harness is suggested so your wiring doesn't get
hacked up.

I see that a quick PM to Technic should fix this problem. I'm on it.

A quality install would be 500 and up I think.
There are not many shops that know how to do a good job on a BMW.

I hope that this doesn't turn into a horror story if I pick a bad shop.

Are you shooting for a balanced system or a heavy bass system?

I'm looking for a clean, quick thump. I don't want teeth shattering fart bass while driving down a street. But I do want to feel the pulsating hits of my music. Usually between 130 to 150 bpm. I guess that would mean a more balanced system.

[ctuna]

Since you are in London there is guy on the UK Board
called Makkan00 that does coding and stereo work who
frequents this board and is really knowledgeable.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=704363

http://www.monsteraudiodesign.co.uk/...one-120-4-dsp/

The above system is reviewed in one of the links I backfilled in the previous entry.(entry 2)

Get in touch with Makkan00 if you can he can do the work or steer you to someone that can.

I'm sure others will soon chime in.

[WannaBMW12]

Originally Posted by ctuna

Since you are in London there is guy on the UK Board
called Makkan00 that does coding and stereo work who
frequents this board and is really knowledgeable.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=704363

http://www.monsteraudiodesign.co.uk/...one-120-4-dsp/

Sorry, updated my profile. I'm just outside Detroit Michigan.

Would this AMP be overkill? With 4 chanel 2000 watts

Lanzar OPTI250X4 Optidrive 2000 Watt 4 Channel Competition Class Mosfet Amplifier

http://www.amazon.com/Lanzar-OPTI250...=car+amplifier

I feel like a baby who knows nothing of the audio world.

[ctuna]

Base Stereo info (the ampless system)
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ighlight=graph

Better to stick with the quality names in amps Jl audio, mocsoni, alpine , zapco you need adequate power
but mad power numbers often indicate low quality. Also things like total harmonic distortion
and power at a certain load and rms power versus peak power is how you evaluate and amp.
Plus your cars electrical system can only support a certain amount of wattage added on .
If you are adding more than 2000 watts you will start to have problems with the electrical system
is what I am told. If yoiu add a 1000 watts in aftermarket amps it will make you just as deaf
as 2000 will. If you read the specs on that amp its actually 1000 driven in to 4 ohm speakers which is
a pretty typical speaker impedance.

[WannaBMW12]

Originally Posted by ctuna

Base Stereo info (the ampless system)
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ighlight=graph

Better to stick with the quality names in amps Jl audio, mocsoni, alpine , zapco you need adequate power
but mad power numbers often indicate low quality. Also things like total harmonic distortion
and power at a certain load and rms power versus peak power is how you evaluate and amp.
Plus your cars electrical system can only support a certain amount of wattage added on .
If you are adding more than 2000 watts you will start to have problems with the electrical system
is what I am told. If yoiu add a 1000 watts in aftermarket amps it will make you just as deaf
as 2000 will.

Sounds quite reasonable. I'll do some more thread reading to get a good amp suggestion.

Found a Cleansweep which you suggested:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JL-Audio-CL4...3D121324451718


Updated/Added so Far:

1. Technic Harness (Pending Purchase)
2. Cleansweep (Pending Purchase)
3.Alternate AMP: research ongoing

[ctuna]

Did you read this
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641323

cleansweep for flat eq is not the only solution for instance the mosconi/gladen package
has a processor built into the amp and recoding the head unit to flat pre amp
signals may be possible if you can find the right coder.

[bmw325i]

Originally Posted by WannaBMW12

Sorry, updated my profile. I'm just outside Detroit Michigan.

Would this AMP be overkill? With 4 chanel 2000 watts

Lanzar OPTI250X4 Optidrive 2000 Watt 4 Channel Competition Class Mosfet Amplifier

http://www.amazon.com/Lanzar-OPTI250...=car+amplifier

I feel like a baby who knows nothing of the audio world.

Lanzar is worse than Pioneer imo. Get something better like JL Audio, Arc Audio, or Alpine PDX amps.

[WannaBMW12]

Originally Posted by bmw325i

Lanzar is worse than Pioneer imo. Get something better like JL Audio, Arc Audio, or Alpine PDX amps.

Looks like I'll have to reconsider most of my original planning. I knew this wasn't going to be easy, but I'm getting lost in the possible options of Cleansweep, processor, or coding which CTuna pointed out, which I didn't even know I would need.

So many options. I was prepared to drop about $2000 + the cost of install. I'll keep reading. The JL amps keep popping up in many forum posts, I think I'll consider one of those.

I still would like to make the 2 options below work for me as I like the reviews and feedback ppl have provided:

1. Stage One, BMW E92 10+ Base Audio
2011 BMW 335i / 335is / 335d Coupé Base (Stereo) E92

Front Door Tweeters (2) BAVSOUND 25mm Silk Tweeter
Front Door Midranges (2) BAVSOUND 100mm Offset Mount 3-Leg Midrange, Integrated Filter
Rear Side Panel Midranges (2) BAVSOUND 100mm 3-Leg Midrange
Hardware & Wiring (1) Original BMW E92 Front Tweeter Housing - Left
Hardware & Wiring (1) Original BMW E92 Front Tweeter Housing - Right


2. Under-Seat - Earthquake Sound SWS-8Xi 8-inch Shallow Woofer System Subwoofer (2-OHM)

Originally Posted by ctuna

Did you read this
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641323

cleansweep for flat eq is not the only solution for instance the mosconi/gladen package
has a processor built into the amp and recoding the head unit to flat pre amp
signals may be possible if you can find the right coder.

I'm also looking into your recommendations, specifically the mosconi/gladen package. As far as coding goes, i'll have to really assess if this would be for me. I am just scratching the surface with the amount of posts I have seen, and finding a shop, BMW dealer included to do this without creating a major hassel/issues may be difficult for me.

[bmw325i]

Originally Posted by WannaBMW12

Looks like I'll have to reconsider most of my original planning. I knew this wasn't going to be easy, but I'm getting lost in the possible options of Cleansweep, processor, or coding which CTuna pointed out, which I didn't even know I would need.

So many options. I was prepared to drop about $2000 + the cost of install. I'll keep reading. The JL amps keep popping up in many forum posts, I think I'll consider one of those.

I still would like to make the 2 options belwo work for me as I like the reviews and feedback ppl have provided:

1. Stage One, BMW E92 10+ Base Audio
2011 BMW 335i / 335is / 335d Coupé Base (Stereo) E92

Front Door Tweeters (2) BAVSOUND 25mm Silk Tweeter
Front Door Midranges (2) BAVSOUND 100mm Offset Mount 3-Leg Midrange, Integrated Filter
Rear Side Panel Midranges (2) BAVSOUND 100mm 3-Leg Midrange
Hardware & Wiring (1) Original BMW E92 Front Tweeter Housing - Left
Hardware & Wiring (1) Original BMW E92 Front Tweeter Housing - Right


2. Under-Seat - Earthquake Sound SWS-8Xi 8-inch Shallow Woofer System Subwoofer (2-OHM)




I'm also looking into your recommendations, specifically the mosconi/gladen package. As far as coding goes, i'll have to really assess if this would be for me. I am just scratching the surface with the amount of posts I have seen, and finding a shop, BMW dealer included to do this without creating a major hassel/issues may be difficult for me.

If you can actually get ahold of them try to contact Musicar NW. They can sell you a complete pnp setup.

I wouldn't reccomend earthquakes you will be missing out on the mid bass frequencies. It is better to replace the under seats with a midbass driver and get a trunk sub. Your cheapest option is recoding, but a clean sweep or processor wouldn't be a bad idea if coding isn't an option.

[WannaBMW12]

Originally Posted by bmw325i

If you can actually get ahold of them try to contact Musicar NW. They can sell you a complete pnp setup.

I wouldn't reccomend earthquakes you will be missing out on the mid bass frequencies. It is better to replace the under seats with a midbass driver and get a trunk sub. Your cheapest option is recoding, but a clean sweep or processor wouldn't be a bad idea if coding isn't an option.

Will be send out an e-mail to them shortly. Thanks for the suggestion.

[ctuna]

If you have some bucks you might consider a
MusicarNW system . It is basically a plug and play system .
It has all the adapters and connectors necessary the
speakers and the amps or processors are very high quality
name brand components. No soldering or crimping necessary
and these are known to work systems from one of the
best BMW stereo shops in the US perhaps the world.
That's what I did. If you are not familer with stereo systems
that would be one way to assure you got a dynamite system.
Its one stop shopping .
That Gladen Mosconi kit I pointed out is pretty much the same.
If you piece stuff together you may need speaker adapters depending on speakers.
We have seen people go to local stereo shops here and spend a couple
of grand and end up with crap.
Your best bet is arm yourself with as much knowledge as possible before you do anything. For instance if they don't suggest some way of compensating for the boosted eq or don't know that you have 6.5 inch
under seat speakers that need replacing or they tell you a sub will solve
all your problem run away quick.
I guess I am echoing the MusicarNW solution which I have.
Some of the following examples are MusicarNW base system retrofits.

Best System examples
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=445266
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=822366
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=826683
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=634957
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ight=processor
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=727760
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ighlight=level
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=590420
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=581379
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451941
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=540954
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324214
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=495855
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=technic
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ghlight=Dotech
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...&highlight=BSW
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...morel-jbl.html
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=494299
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=550771
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=540446
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=532585
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ht=amp+upgrade
http://www.bilstereoforum.se/showthread.php?t=2356
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=level+3
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=833581
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=443043
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...creations.html

[WannaBMW12]

Originally Posted by ctuna

If you have some bucks you might consider a
MusicarNW system . It is basically a plug and play system.........

Thank you for the time and effort to gather the threads. I'll be doing some reading over the next week and totally re-thinking my initial plan. The one stop shop idea is most appealing.

Being a noob at this sucks, so thank you for your patience.

[ctuna]

I would have suggested MusicarNW off the bat
but most people don't want to spend that much
and the kind of stuff you were choosing sounded like
you were on a tight budjet. Its better to spend a little more
and do this right in your 50k plus car was the conclusion
I came to .

[WannaBMW12]

Originally Posted by ctuna

I would have suggested MusicarNW off the bat
but most people don't want to spend that much
and the kind of stuff you were choosing sounded like
you were on a tight budjet. Its better to spend a little more
and do this right in your 50k plus car was the conclusion
I came to .

Same here. I'm not looking to spend $500 to $1000 for a crappy upgrade. I'll spend the necessary cash for a quality system I can enjoy daily. Now that I know better, thanks to the forum and your guidance I'll scrap my previous upgrade plan.

Glad I didn't purchase my stuff in advance. *Bullet Dodged*

[snaimpally]

Originally Posted by WannaBMW12

Same here. I'm not looking to spend $500 to $1000 for a crappy upgrade. I'll spend the necessary cash for a quality system I can enjoy daily. Now that I know better, thanks to the forum and your guidance I'll scrap my previous upgrade plan.

Glad I didn't purchase my stuff in advance. *Bullet Dodged*

Yes. You have learned well. There is a lot to learn in car audio, even if you are familiar with home audio. If you want an SQ setup, Ken at MusicarNW has some great setups. I think he sells them with all harnesses etc. so its fairly plug and play and you should be able to do it yourself for the most part.

[ctuna]

This what I did .

http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...3&d=1329017429

Yours would need a clean weep or processor and use a different
harness for a base system.

I would vist the MusicarNW website he has a lot of good info on car stereo and
why they do what they do.

[Technic]

Either MusicarNW can provide a full PnP kit or you can go ahead and get:

- MB Quart QM200.3BMW speaker set (front/underseat)
- Alpine MRX-F65
- Your Pyle sub (is free, right?)
- Stereo 2/4 harness

No need of Cleansweep as the MB Quart tweeter level is adjustable.

[ctuna]

So this speaker set is designed to compensate for the eq
in the base radio?.
And have you heard it?
What are you recommended settings if you have set one up?

[Technic]

I have not heard the MB Quart yet -I have a brand new set in here but never installed- but I have installed adjustable tweeter-level crossover component sets in Stereo systems and they do work nicely at -3dB.

Originally Posted by ctuna

So this speaker set is designed to compensate for the eq
in the base radio?.
And have you heard it?
What are you recommended settings if you have set one up?

[ctuna]

Can you give a review ?
I also noticed those are only 6.5 inch speakers.
Online stereo listed them as that maybe its not right under specs
for mounting diameter oops.
All other sites say 8 inch one says 8.5