[YA-91]

Hey so I took my car to get detailed and cut and polished.

I have used this guy before and he does amazing jobs on all my cars.

I have a E93 335i 2007.

I took it in and he had a look and told me that there was a very significant Orange peel on the whole left side of the car, meaning it had been resprayed after some damage.

He also told me some places and filler etc.

According to him the new paint job was horrible, he said that the person who did it simply applied a new spray of pain without any prep etc and hence the orange peel was showing so much.

So I said ok just do the best you can and dw about cutting the paint too much. So he got started.

Then a few hours later i get a call and he tells me that the paint and clear was too thin and while sanding (cutting) he had reached the original paint (picture attached) he said this is what he was afraid off.

NOW here are my questions:

1. I admit it was probe resprayed by the previous owner and he probe did a bad job, but knowing this should the detailer have NOT sanded that area at ALL?

2. As you can see in the pics he had enough shine and evenness and did not need to go any further with the sanding but he did anyways, do you think its his fault or was it a mistake as normal and good pant jobs should not peel that easy?

3. Now he tells me the whole side of the car will have the same issues and I should get the whole side re sprayed which is gonna cost lots of $$$, is that fair or can I get away with just the panel?

I look froward to seeing what you guys have to say

[psnt1ol]

Originally Posted by YA-91

Hey so I took my car to get detailed and cut and polished.

I have used this guy before and he does amazing jobs on all my cars.

I have a E93 335i 2007.

I took it in and he had a look and told me that there was a very significant Orange peel on the whole left side of the car, meaning it had been resprayed after some damage.

He also told me some places and filler etc.

According to him the new paint job was horrible, he said that the person who did it simply applied a new spray of pain without any prep etc and hence the orange peel was showing so much.

So I said ok just do the best you can and dw about cutting the paint too much. So he got started.

Then a few hours later i get a call and he tells me that the paint and clear was too thin and while sanding (cutting) he had reached the original paint (picture attached) he said this is what he was afraid off.

NOW here are my questions:

1. I admit it was probe resprayed by the previous owner and he probe did a bad job, but knowing this should the detailer have NOT sanded that area at ALL?

2. As you can see in the pics he had enough shine and evenness and did not need to go any further with the sanding but he did anyways, do you think its his fault or was it a mistake as normal and good pant jobs should not peel that easy?

3. Now he tells me the whole side of the car will have the same issues and I should get the whole side re sprayed which is gonna cost lots of $$$, is that fair or can I get away with just the panel?

I look froward to seeing what you guys have to say

Sorry to hear about your car.

Did he measure the paint prior to the orange peel removal???? To level out orange peel requires taking a significant amount of CC off the car. This is a very aggressive approach.

This is a very risky procedure to perform on OEM paint...let alone a bad paint job. The paint on a good respray is generally pretty thick. The leveling is factored in (knowing they will wet sand and polish after).

[YA-91]

Originally Posted by psnt1ol

Sorry to hear about your car.

Did he measure the paint prior to the orange peel removal???? To level out orange peel requires taking a significant amount of CC off the car. This is a very aggressive approach.

This is a very risky procedure to perform on OEM paint...let alone a bad paint job. The paint on a good respray is generally pretty thick. The leveling is factored in (knowing they will wet sand and polish after).

Yea he said he measured it and it was very think and he told me it would be risky, I wanted a nice even shine and paint all over the car so I said yea do it but be VERY careful and so he did.

I moved this post to another section and here are the rest of the comments and replies and you can see the updates there thanks for the reply.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=983226

[Detailed Image]

I too agree with most posts in that thread. Yes he did it and partially it's his "fault", but if he told you that's the risk and you were fine with it, then it's really no one's fault. If you said just do what you can to safely improve it, then I would say it's his fault as it looks like he removed the clearcoat on quite large of a section, as opposed to trying it out in a small area.

As others have said, if you want a good even finish, you should probably have all the panels that have the bad paint job redone.

Ivan @ DI

[AndreyT]

Originally Posted by YA-91

Yea he said he measured it...

Just out of curiosity and for my general education, how do they measure the paint depth on plastic panels these days? Is there a technology for that? If I'm not mistaken, a regular coating depth gauge works on metal panels only.

[psnt1ol]

Originally Posted by AndreyT

Just out of curiosity and for my general education, how do they measure the paint depth on plastic panels these days? Is there a technology for that? If I'm not mistaken, a regular coating depth gauge works on metal panels only.

http://www.defelsko.com/p200/positector200.htm

[Otruba_843]

He's pretty much at fault no matter what. If he did use a paint gauge, he went through too much clear coat when he should have known. If he didn't, he's ignorant and should have never been wet-sanding in the first place.

[sd_luis]

I think he is just trying to get away from that since he had already told you how bad the paint was. Orange peel just means that there was a significant amount of material being spray and not spread evenly. I'm not saying it doesn't mean enough material wasnt spray in this case clear coat. My point is that as a professional detailer he should have checked the thickness of the paint if he already knew what he was getting into. Like Ivan from DI said you always check a small section not the whole panel. I don't thing he is as good as you say he is...