[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

misfire arent cool take it easy.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

misfire arent cool take it easy.

I understand that, should I set it at map 0?

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Penn999

I understand that, should I set it at map 0?

If you have a heavy foot sure. Otherwise just take it easy and dont do whatever makes it misfire.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Penn999

Just got back from a run to test it...nothing was better. Its the spark plugs and or coils. Is it best just to run on map 0 until I swap the plugs? I dont want to hurt the engine. The after you punch it at low rpm, it misfires horribly and then it throws a SES light and shudders until I stop and restart. How bad is that for the engine?

Misfire isn't going to damage anything. But to save yourself headache, you should run map0 until you change plugs/coil. A low RPM misfire is almost always a bad plug/coil since ignition is most likely to break up at peak torque.

Shiv

[Dackz]

Originally Posted by Bimmer This

If your engine was shaking, most likely it was a misfire because one (or more) of your plugs weren't firing. Happens to me all the time.

especially at the track

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Misfire isn't going to damage anything. But to save yourself headache, you should run map0 until you change plugs/coil. A low RPM misfire is almost always a bad plug/coil since ignition is most likely to break up at peak torque.

Shiv

Yup, thats exactly whats happening. Thanks, guess i gotta wait til wednesday to have some fun. Thanks for your help shiv and jp. She pulls like a monster if Im above 4k tho. Its so hard not to push it. And yes JP, I have a rather heavy foot, so its back to map0 for the time being. Instead of driving, I will just learn all about the options the procede has.

[TLO03]

so is harness upgrade optional still?

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by TLO03

so is harness upgrade optional still?

It's optional. But if anyone is having any misfire or o2 sensor related codes, I'd say it's mandatory. I'm a firm believer in the update as i've seen this simple update solve persistent misfire/o2 codes in several customer cars. I believe all of them had newer DME software. We are shipping harnesses now with this update done. So it's definitely something you should consider soon, if not now.

Shiv

[Big Tom]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It's optional. But if anyone is having any misfire or o2 sensor related codes, I'd say it's mandatory. I'm a firm believer in the update as i've seen this simple update solve persistent misfire/o2 codes in several customer cars. I believe all of them had newer DME software. We are shipping harnesses now with this update done. So it's definitely something you should consider soon, if not now.

Shiv

Shiv, what would you suggest me to do?

1. Let BMW update my car from my current software from October 2006, so I can use the CAN Clear feature and do the harness upgrade.

Or

2. Keep my current stone age software and use the built in O2 simulator.


So far I haven't had any misfires at all with Vishnu V3 or JB3.
My car has also never had any lag.

Is the latest DME software more sensitive to misfires than the oldest one?

[**335i**]

Originally Posted by Penn999

Same thing happened to me today but I think its either my plugs or that my procede currently has the 6AT maps. I will be uploading the 6MT maps asap. It only happens from 2-3k rpm. If I downshift to 4k and above it runs ok..what do you think?

well shiv said that for us mt guys we even can use at maps

so for mt guys no need reset adaptations then?

also i that table tach 3 and position 12 just for exsample so its 12=120 km on speedometer

[Big Tom]

Originally Posted by Big Tom

Shiv, what would you suggest me to do?

1. Let BMW update my car from my current software from October 2006, so I can use the CAN Clear feature and do the harness upgrade.

Or

2. Keep my current stone age software and use the built in O2 simulator.


So far I haven't had any misfires at all with Vishnu V3 or JB3.
My car has also never had any lag.

Is the latest DME software more sensitive to misfires than the oldest one?

bump..

[Glowin]

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Yes ecu reset at the end. So just start off at 12 and work downwards to 3.

So Shiv, two questions:

1 - For us 6MT guys, we skip #12, I take it? (sounds obvious but I want to be sure!)

2 - Are these steps after the ECU reset recommended? They're the official BMW DME readaptation procedures from their SIB:

* Car must be at operating temperature / warm
* Drive vehicle 50-60mph with 2000-2500rpm for about 3min (use manual shift, if needed)
* Perform at least 2-3 drive cycles if possible
* Let vehicle idle for about 5min

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Big Tom

Shiv, what would you suggest me to do?

1. Let BMW update my car from my current software from October 2006, so I can use the CAN Clear feature and do the harness upgrade.

Or

2. Keep my current stone age software and use the built in O2 simulator.


So far I haven't had any misfires at all with Vishnu V3 or JB3.
My car has also never had any lag.

Is the latest DME software more sensitive to misfires than the oldest one?

I would recommend updating your DME software. There's no question that the CANclear approach to cat conversion codes is far better than using any downpipe fix/o2 modifier.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Glowin

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So Shiv, two questions:

1 - For us 6MT guys, we skip #12, I take it? (sounds obvious but I want to be sure!)

2 - Are these steps after the ECU reset recommended? They're the official BMW DME readaptation procedures from their SIB:

* Car must be at operating temperature / warm
* Drive vehicle 50-60mph with 2000-2500rpm for about 3min (use manual shift, if needed)
* Perform at least 2-3 drive cycles if possible
* Let vehicle idle for about 5min

Yes, 6MT guys can skip #12

I think BMW post-ECU reset suggestion is good if not a bit overkill. I've not seen any issue with just resetting the ECU and driving.

Shiv

[Jason4486]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It addresses a possible compatibility issue with certain DME software versions and the built in o2 modifier (which is no longer needed to supress cat conversion codes).

This comparability issue can induce misfire by making one bank run too rich. Not unsafe by any means. Not not ideal for power and clean burn. All the new harness we are sending out have this update done. I suggest doing it. It takes a minute. And you will have to do it eventually.

Shiv,
By you own admission, something that has been a common problem among many cars running procede makes the tune "Not safe by any means". I know you are going to say that this is not a real problem and can be easily resolved by updating the harness and resetting all of the adaptations. However, by constantly having to deal with compatibility issues with the DME software, updating harnesses, and reseting all of the adaptation codes, this tune is by no means safe to a layman like me who know absolutely nothing about computer tuning an electronically advanced BMW! This tune seems to require constant babying to ensure that things are running smoothly. Not to mention the constant problem of misfires, CEL, and limp modes, what assurances can you give potential customers (like me) that this tune will not (1) damage my engine in the long run, (2) cause my factory warranty to be voided, and (3) casue the car to depreciate in value quicker because having this tune is asscoiated with countless problems that will likely force me to pay out my own pocket to resolve? Why is your product better that Dinan's product that seems (after countless hours of researching and reading Dinan customer feedback and reviews) never to require any extra attention or to cause any of the common problems associated with the procede. I have to tell you that all of these threads with procede customers complaining of such numerous and significant problems makes me never want to but a procede. Please believe me when I say that this post was on no way meant to bash you or your product. I am just trying to get to the truth regarding what I am getting myself into if I do but a procede.

[cuban335i]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I would recommend updating your DME software. There's no question that the CANclear approach to cat conversion codes is far better than using any downpipe fix/o2 modifier.

Wait, I got my car in February of 09 and haven't had a software update since. Can my car do can-clear? I need to figure out how to use it..

[Penn999]

Ask the actual procede users whether they are happy. Maybe the procede users are some of the most "informed" e9x drivers out there. I think that if you do your homework you will find that this is the case. A lot of other people buys tunes and forget about it, whereas procede users are pushing the issue for options, performance, and most of all safety! The issues of misfires are most of the time due to bmw's plugs. Ask enrita what happened before he switched to the procede. Ask other tuned e9x drivers what timing is lol.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by cuban335i

Wait, I got my car in February of 09 and haven't had a software update since. Can my car do can-clear? I need to figure out how to use it..

You should be fine. The only DME software that is suspect is early circa 2007.

Shiv

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Jason4486

Shiv,
By you own admission, something that has been a common problem among many cars running procede makes the tune "Not safe by any means".

Please quote me accurately. I said "Not unsafe by any means."

I know you are going to say that this is not a real problem and can be easily resolved by updating the harness and resetting all of the adaptations. However, by constantly having to deal with compatibility issues with the DME software, updating harnesses, and reseting all of the adaptation codes, this tune is by no means safe to a layman like me who know absolutely nothing about computer tuning an electronically advanced BMW! This tune seems to require constant babying to ensure that things are running smoothly. Not to mention the constant problem of misfires, CEL, and limp modes, what assurances can you give potential customers (like me) that this tune will not (1) damage my engine in the long run, (2) cause my factory warranty to be voided, and (3) casue the car to depreciate in value quicker because having this tune is asscoiated with countless problems that will likely force me to pay out my own pocket to resolve? Why is your product better that Dinan's product that seems (after countless hours of researching and reading Dinan customer feedback and reviews) never to require any extra attention or to cause any of the common problems associated with the procede. I have to tell you that all of these threads with procede customers complaining of such numerous and significant problems makes me never want to but a procede. Please believe me when I say that this post was on no way meant to bash you or your product. I am just trying to get to the truth regarding what I am getting myself into if I do but a procede.

Since the rev.2 Procede has been released, there have been 3 very simple DIY harness updates:

1) adding 2 CAN wires. This enabled all the CAN functionality (in-dash gauges, autotuning, launch control, canclear, adaptation resets, command center, feed forward boost control, etc.)

2) adding another wire for meth flow input. Necessary if you want to run a TRULY safe meth injection setup.

3) removing the o2 modifier wires. Which are now redundant since canclear provides a better solution to cat codes. It also frees up another pair of analog input/output to use at a future date for a new feature. And yes, we do suggest taking 10 seconds out of your day to reset all adaptions after making this change since it does have an effect on lambda learning. This is all done through the Procede's command center dashboard display. No laptop required.

NONE of this stuff is necessary in absolute terms. It's only necessary if you want to run the most up to date features and have the best possible driving/performing car. If that is not your goal, the Procede isn't for you.

Shiv

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Jason4486

Shiv,
By you own admission, something that has been a common problem among many cars running procede makes the tune "Not safe by any means". I know you are going to say that this is not a real problem and can be easily resolved by updating the harness and resetting all of the adaptations. However, by constantly having to deal with compatibility issues with the DME software, updating harnesses, and reseting all of the adaptation codes, this tune is by no means safe to a layman like me who know absolutely nothing about computer tuning an electronically advanced BMW! This tune seems to require constant babying to ensure that things are running smoothly. Not to mention the constant problem of misfires, CEL, and limp modes, what assurances can you give potential customers (like me) that this tune will not (1) damage my engine in the long run, (2) cause my factory warranty to be voided, and (3) casue the car to depreciate in value quicker because having this tune is asscoiated with countless problems that will likely force me to pay out my own pocket to resolve? Why is your product better that Dinan's product that seems (after countless hours of researching and reading Dinan customer feedback and reviews) never to require any extra attention or to cause any of the common problems associated with the procede. I have to tell you that all of these threads with procede customers complaining of such numerous and significant problems makes me never want to but a procede. Please believe me when I say that this post was on no way meant to bash you or your product. I am just trying to get to the truth regarding what I am getting myself into if I do but a procede.

Whoa.....

Really?


There is hardly any problems, and thinking on a large scale the problem rate is under 1%. EASILY! 99.9% of problems are BMW problems or end user problems, Not the tune!

Taking into the assumption any modification to a vehicle would A) Hold the vehicles value higher over time and B) Increase the longevity of a vehicle and C) Have the dealer warranty broken parts is completely irresponsible on your part.

I mean are you serious?! Do you hear yourself?


Last but not least these MINOR changes needed are optional, look into other tunes and see how many times you need to upgrade firmware and maps just to improve driveability or try to even catch up with what the procede offers. (here is a hint they still didnt catch up) and here is another hint, every tune in competition with the procede is ATLEAST 8 months or more behind. Let alone the upgrading costs and other 3rd party hardware needed to still be behind.

[Big Tom]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I would recommend updating your DME software. There's no question that the CANclear approach to cat conversion codes is far better than using any downpipe fix/o2 modifier.

Ok, will do.

[v300]

Hey Guys;

Is there a thread, link, or instructions in resetting the adaptations on the Procede? Thanks.