[Seminole]

Originally Posted by samwoo2go

what the hell is the big deal, people buy that cheap car in China because they can't afford the real BMW. The ones that can will buy a real BMW (trust me, theres a shit load of real BMWs around) Without the knock off, those people will not buy the real BMW anyway because they can't afford it. So BMW in the end is not really losing any business.
If you ask me Hyundai is fucked up, they're jacking accord designs left and right and since they are roughly in the same price range are actually stealing potential customers.

A X5 cost over $100K US in China which is what the average make in a life time. your telling me that some dude with $100K us disposable income is going to look at the knock off car and say hey you know what Imna buy this shit instead of the real thing to park at my multi million house and let all my rich friends laugh at me. Please homie

The big deal is that it is called copyright infringement and intellectual theft, two things China has never heard of.

How would you feel if you designed something and then I just went and make a cheap ass copy of it and profited off it?

What they are doing is against the law in almost every country. China is the only place they can get away with it.

[samwoo2go]

Originally Posted by Seminole

The big deal is that it is called copyright infringement and intellectual theft, two things China has never heard of.

How would you feel if you designed something and then I just went and make a cheap ass copy of it and profited off it?

What they are doing is against the law in almost every country. China is the only place they can get away with it.

did you not read my 1st paragraph, if my product is truly superior in quality, my customers will pay a premium for it. The ones that buy your shitty knock off can't afford mine even there were no knock off. So I don't give a fuck.

now I would have a problem if they were a carbon copy of my shit like a knock off lv bag and being sold at my exact same price. That be a big problem for me because its now tapping into my customer base.

o and im pretty certain you can get away with this shit at Nigeria, they have knock off lottery there lol

[shipill]

new C-class

[Seminole]

Originally Posted by samwoo2go

did you not read my 1st paragraph, if my product is truly superior in quality, my customers will pay a premium for it. The ones that buy your shitty knock off can't afford mine even there were no knock off. So I don't give a fuck.

I don't think you understand copyright law or patent infringement. If you do not protect your copyright/patent/whatever against a person who is copying it you lose your right to that copyright or patent. It doesn't matter if the product is of such lesser quality that the people who would buy it couldn't even afford the real thing, theft is theft.

And not only are they stealing your design, but it dilutes the brand. What is the point of owning a real BMW (if you buy it for the badge) when there are tons of people driving knockoffs all over the place?

Plus with some products, you will lose customers. Say with fake Rolex's for example. Something that is hard to tell is fake to an untrained eye. So what if it isn't the same quality? I can buy 20 for the same price as one real Rolex. Most people would just by the fake for to achieve the look, and then Rolex loses that potential customer.

And as far as getting away with stuff, I meant in modern industrialized countries. China is the only one.

[samwoo2go]

Originally Posted by Seminole

I don't think you understand copyright law or patent infringement. If you do not protect your copyright/patent/whatever against a person who is copying it you lose your right to that copyright or patent. It doesn't matter if the product is of such lesser quality that the people who would buy it couldn't even afford the real thing, theft is theft.

And not only are they stealing your design, but it dilutes the brand. What is the point of owning a real BMW (if you buy it for the badge) when there are tons of people driving knockoffs all over the place?

Plus with some products, you will lose customers. Say with fake Rolex's for example. Something that is hard to tell is fake to an untrained eye. So what if it isn't the same quality? I can buy 20 for the same price as one real Rolex. Most people would just by the fake for to achieve the look, and then Rolex loses that potential customer.

I don't think you understand what I am saying. I am saying I don't give a shit as long as its not a clone copy. I would have a big problem with the rolex example because you can't tell them apart. That little car and the "fake" x5 is FAR from a clone copy so I wouldn't give a shit.
now if they made an IDENTICAL shell to the BMW with shitty quality interior and metal and motor and put BMW actual badge on it. i would care.
Isn't there a law somewhere in US that says as long as a car looks certain percentage different from another car its not consider copy right infringement?
Why do you not care that the Hyundai looks a lot like the accord than that little car? Even the Hyundai badge looks like the Honda badge

[NYSPEM3]

Originally Posted by damadama

truth

My opinion on the matter is they are selfish bastards, everytime we release a new software package with newly-implemented security schemes for getting a step ahead of these jerkoffs its only a few weeks later when a pirated version gets posted up on torrent sites searchable via google (yeh this directly affects my income).

Chances are hackers around the world are doing so just for bragging rights. It can even be your neighbor's kids.

[NYSPEM3]

Originally Posted by The_Blob

It looks better than the new Corolla. Everyone copies each other. Mercedes is copying Lexus. Lexus copied Mercedes. Damn, Lexus is now copying Honda for their new Hybrid sedan.

And Honda's new Hybrid is a copy of the Toyota Prius.

The Honda is such a blatant ripoff it makes the Shanguan CEO look original.

[samwoo2go]

Originally Posted by damadama

truth

if china can steal something without paying they surely will... It's an issue in alot of third world countries but china seems to have the mindset they are entitled to do it... businesses (WTF SHITTY GOVT) using pirated software, stacks of pirated dvds for dollars sold on the street, and now i guess ripping off automobiles. My opinion on the matter is they are selfish bastards, everytime we release a new software package with newly-implemented security schemes for getting a step ahead of these jerkoffs its only a few weeks later when a pirated version gets posted up on torrent sites searchable via google (yeh this directly affects my income). Anyway, these chinese government is a complete joke... they built their economy on international trade but they won't open their economy to the world, pollution is terribad, uhh no freedom of speech & press (propaganda bs), on and on...

Hey you know what Im not going to get into this political never ending debate again. Im not saying violating copy right laws is right. All im saying is making cars that kinda look alike each other is not that big of deal. When you have kids in Africa with no clean water to drink and women raped in jungles by militias. Blah Blah Blah pollution bad Blah blah blah no freedom of speech propaganda crap. Hey look at who polluted the world first for the last century? WESTERN INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS. China has 1.2 BILLION people, what do you really expect them to do. why don't you divide the amount of pollution US produces by its population. Why don't we look at pollution per capita, guess who is way off the charts compare to China. To put it in a shitty way and this is how most Chinese people see it. The west had their chance to pollute the world and industrialize, now its China's turn. China will pollute and industrialize just like the west did while the west go completely green. And when China is fully industrialized, they will start to go green and let Africa pollute the shit out of the planet. Thats just how shit will turn out like it or not. Fuck freedom of speech when you got no food. to most chinese people having good economy and jobs means a shit load more than be able to say whatever they want. Why don't you go ask a starving kid in Nigeria if he wants bread or freedom of speech, he'll shove the freedom of speech up ur ass and steal the bread. Besides, the situation is improving. personal liberty is increasing everyday as more and more people are stable fed. Compare the propaganda in the 60s to today. You can not tell me the country has not improved. once again blah blah blah, you can rebuttal if you want but Im done with this shit because this shit never ends. blah blah blah

[samwoo2go]

Originally Posted by damadama

truth

if china can steal something without paying they surely will... It's an issue in alot of third world countries but china seems to have the mindset they are entitled to do it... businesses (WTF SHITTY GOVT) using pirated software, stacks of pirated dvds for dollars sold on the street, and now i guess ripping off automobiles. My opinion on the matter is they are selfish bastards, everytime we release a new software package with newly-implemented security schemes for getting a step ahead of these jerkoffs its only a few weeks later when a pirated version gets posted up on torrent sites searchable via google (yeh this directly affects my income). Anyway, these chinese government is a complete joke... they built their economy on international trade but they won't open their economy to the world, pollution is terribad, uhh no freedom of speech & press (propaganda bs), on and on...

o and as for you losing income. If China is pirating your shit to make money. Why put them up for free on torrent?

[Maestro]

Yes, many companies look at what others are doing and take that idea and use it or improve upon it. However what you will not see from most US companies is a blatant coping of a design or worse yet take their design manufactured part exactly and putting their name on it.

What people have to understand is in China everything is for the common good. No one owns the rights to anything. They do not recognize that it was your idea and therefore you should be able to profit form it solely.

I personally have seen high end tools from the likes of Bosch which are manufactured in China today, turn up elsewhere under some no name brand. You can see the tool they have their name on is the exact same Bosch castings, and parts with the Bosch name grind off and painted it a different color and sold for 1/3 less then the Bosch counter part. These could have been rejected parts which did not meet Bosch's quality control and this company had some sort of deal with Bosch. But I highly doubt that since I do not think Bosch would want exact copies of their products on the market.

You know if China wants to do this in their own boarder fine, but this activity is not isolated to china they are placing these product on the world market. Which affect everyone here since companies you work for can not compete with this.

Looking at the first car you can see they probably just took the BMW shark fin and put it on that car, I highly double they design it themselves, I would be willing to bet they got the original BMW design. It would not surprise me that BMW is having that part manufactured in China for themselves.

[NYSPEM3]

Originally Posted by damadama

this mentality sums it all up, you people must have some defective genes over there in SE asia. The effects of pollution were not studied or understood during the industrial revolution of the west, but now we have that knowledge and know we can't move forward like this. Makes me sad I have to share a planet with ye scumbags.

Eugenics! Adolf Hitler would be proud.

[SE3P_to_E90]

Originally Posted by samwoo2go

what the hell is the big deal, people buy that cheap car in China because they can't afford the real BMW. The ones that can will buy a real BMW (trust me, theres a shit load of real BMWs around) Without the knock off, those people will not buy the real BMW anyway because they can't afford it. So BMW in the end is not really losing any business.
If you ask me Hyundai is fucked up, they're jacking accord designs left and right and since they are roughly in the same price range are actually stealing potential customers.

A X5 cost over $100K US in China which is what the average make in a life time. your telling me that some dude with $100K us disposable income is going to look at the knock off car and say hey you know what Imna buy this shit instead of the real thing to park at my multi million house and let all my rich friends laugh at me. Please homie

The Japanese and Koreans (until recently) stole the Chinese writting characters, nobody cares about that.
The western world stole Chinese gun powder "patent" and made guns to shoot them right back, nobody cares.
Any1 ever written on a piece of paper had infringed Chinese invention of paper but noone give a shit.
Christopher Coulombs found this great country of USA by using a compass that was copied from chinese earlier inventions, noone gave a shit.
Koreans stole Japanese electronic designs and noone gave a shit.
American porn stole Japanese school girl ideas, everyone still faping to them.
the freakin list goes on...
wooooooo...watch out theres a shitty bimmer knock off out there lets go out and have a fucking riot and use this opporunity to rag on the Chinese which is what I really want to do.

what a dumb-ass, half-witted, nonsensical horseshit of an answer...

also, you yap and yap about how much pollution the US is producing per capita over China... except, do a little more research. Despite US pollution, at least there's every attempt to curb excessive carbon emissions, etc. Further, although the US emission levels are higher than China's, and even California, known to have the most strict emissions levels in the US, is still below china's emissions levels, that's because 1/2 of the 1.4 billion people don't have cars there... But guess what, at least 750,000 PEOPLE in the US isn't dying from pollution-related illnesses...

Before your yappity yap yap about how China invented this and that -- which i'm not rejecting credence -- welcome to TODAY, where that abundant innovation that china once fostered no longer exists and, quite arguably, their main trade practice is copyright infringement.

Lastly, albeit not a downright clone (referring to that CEO shit), it is hurting BMW implicitly because that horse-shit x5 copy is ripping off BMW's designs which they spent thousands of man-hours developing. If it wasn't hurting BMW, why would they even BOTHER suing that POS car?! A multi-million (potentially billion) dollar manufacturer wouldn't sue for no apparent reason... would they?

[samwoo2go]

Originally Posted by damadama

call it what you want, I don't believe anglogenetics are any better... I was just trying to note that samwoo is free from the propaganda & nonsense in china yet he still defends their dishonest ways... something must be wrong with the thought process here, the only real explanation is the parents teaching the children to continue the cycle of dishonest and manipulative behavior (for the common good of course).

In a similar manner we got all kinds of southern WASPs in this country teaching their kids to hate, so we all have our faults... we just have a govt that will try to curb blatant theft if possible/... and they are actively pursuing chinese stealing shit INSIDE America cuz they are ripping off as much intellectual property as possible.

Hey listen up you piece of shit, I wasn't going to argue anymore over this useless debate, but you fucking leave my parents out of this shit. My parents are hard working people who have contributed endlessly to society. They taught me that cousin fucking red necks like yourself are human too and we should be empathetic to your fucked up view of the world due to your inbreed gene pool. My views, I have developed myself over the period of my life. Yes, Im away from the propaganda and "nonsense" in China, but yet I have developed a view different from yours and you're pissed because somehow maybe you feel America has failed you to teach me to your values. Well guess what douchebag, remember that freedom of speech you love so much, Im taking that and shoving that shit up your asshole so next time the donkey cock will fit better dick face.

LEAVE PEOPLE'S PARENTS OUT OF POLITICAL DEBATES YOU IMMATURE COCK SUCKER.

end rant/

[MadDog]

Time for some

[SE3P_to_E90]

Originally Posted by damadama

as you say "blah blah blah bla blah", your parents obviously raised a true gem. be proud of your heritage but if you are living (and esp so for citizens) in this country there are laws that clearly spell out what is right and wrong... This is what allows people to prosper and enjoy the merits of living in a civilized country. If you can turn your back to blatant theft of ideas and information "for the good of the motherland" then you ur an ignorant pos.

DUDE, i gotta agree w/ samwoo on this... you don't go bashing parents, nor do you bring parents into the argument. That's a low goddamn blow, and it's horseshit that you even mention his parents. you have no idea what his parents do, nor do you have any idea what their ideologies are. just because he's chinese, and he's vouching for his country in general does it imply that you even mention his parents' name... that's just crap... enough said. If you go down that route, we can speculate some bullshit about how your parents taught YOU to do so...