[R1000K3]

Anyone solved this yet? You don’t want to run an aggressive flash Meth map (when available) when Meth fails . Could e.g. a Fail Safe signal output from the Meth-controller be gated into the WG solenoids to reduce boost and light up an indicator in case of Meth fault? Perhaps there are other and better possibilities .

[R1000K3]

I'm personally using a Procede, which works fine with Fail Safe by automatic map switching. The topic applies for Flash Tunes.

[Donald-335i]

Mr.5 is running a Giac Stage II+ Flash With The SP methonal Kit maybe he will shed some light.

[cstavaru]

I don't think anyone is insane enough to flash a car with a meth-only map. Probably the car is flashed with an aggressive map which can work without methanol and also benefits to some extent from methanol when it is present. When a fault occurs, the ECU is adjusting quickly enough from what I read.

[FLA 335]

Originally Posted by Donald-335i

Mr.5 is running a Giac Stage II+ Flash With The SP methonal Kit maybe he will shed some light.

im sure he will chime in soon... as he has tracked the car with meth i blieve??

[coolingmist]

Originally Posted by R1000K3

Anyone solved this yet? You don’t want to run an aggressive flash Meth map (when available) when Meth fails . Could e.g. a Fail Safe signal output from the Meth-controller be gated into the WG solenoids to reduce boost and light up an indicator in case of Meth fault? Perhaps there are other and better possibilities .

hello.

which meth kit of ours do you have? if you have the CMGS version 1.02 or higher it has a built in failsafe that you can use to manipulare a wastegate solenoid. I cant give you wiring as I dont have the details to do it, however conceptualy will work.

We are working with a couple customers that have the procede. Once the procede meth flash is done, our CMGS will have a flash that works with it. You can always send your CMGS to us to flash it.

CM

[cn555ic]

As quoted from Mr.5
"I use it for daily driving but I don't use the meth that much.
My meth is set to come on at 4 psi and it's surprising with how much I don't use it.
The great thing about the turbos is that you only use it when needed so I don't know why anyone wouldn't use this map if they have meth installed."


What I find to be an issue with the meth map when GIAC does come out with one, the car still runs aggressively throughout the rpm bands, unless they tune the map to only run aggressive after a certain boost PSI, then it would be kind of safe....But then again for people like myself that doesn't want to use meth all the time and have an ON/OFF switch and still drive aggressively here and there, the flash would be a problem....I guess what it comes down to is different strokes for different folks clique!

[R1000K3]

Originally Posted by coolingmist

hello.

which meth kit of ours do you have? if you have the CMGS version 1.02 or higher it has a built in failsafe that you can use to manipulare a wastegate solenoid. I cant give you wiring as I dont have the details to do it, however conceptualy will work.

We are working with a couple customers that have the procede. Once the procede meth flash is done, our CMGS will have a flash that works with it. You can always send your CMGS to us to flash it.

CM

I know, I'm one of those looking forward to delivery of a Meth-system w CMGS

[TMR]

I dont know how Mr5 can say he doesnt use his meth much. I can make more than 4psi without even trying. cruising at 70mph and you want to pass someone in 6th and give it 20% throttle and its going to pass 4psi. But what i still want to know is, with the GIAC, if in fact it is tuned for running meth, what happens if you are in a run with someone and your pump clogs or you run out of meth, how does the car react? Can you continue to drive it hard without meth safely?

Now with the Proceed and JB3 i understand, they get a signal from the flow sensor and they switch to a safe pump gas map. Maybe Mr5 can chime in since he is one of the only ones running an aggressive flash with meth.

[enrita]

Simple if you run out of meth or its clogged you just switch over to another pump gas map with flashloader. The car will probably pull timings if flow is interrupted and you will notice it.

[jpsimon]

That isn't a failsafe, that's a plan-B. Until flashes can switch maps on the fly the very second flow runs out/gets clogged, there really isn't a true failsafe. People will argue that it isn't necessary... but I personally would not feel safe.

[enrita]

Why would i need to automatically switch map? This will never be possible with a flash and i am fine with it. We are not boosting 10 psi more with meth henceno risks involved. If i want to run the race map during pulls i will just switch it and activate meth . For 99% of the times the stage 2 + is enough and 15rwhp when meth activated plenty enough. You can argue as much as you want but the failsafe is totally useless. People are making such a big fuss about it and mostly used as marketing material .

[jpsimon]

We'll have to agree to very much disagree. I'd rather my car immediately switch to a lower boost/way less aggressive timing map while WOT under extremely heavy engine load when meth flow decides to suddenly stop. Calling it totally useless is pretty ridiculous. It's a great safety feature that most likely won't be used much at all - if ever, but it's nice to know you have that added safety net. These engines cost way too much to not have what you call an "unneeded safety feature"

[enrita]

Fine with me. As long as we both feel safe for our own cars nothing to worry about.

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by enrita

Why would i need to automatically switch map? This will never be possible with a flash and i am fine with it. We are not boosting 10 psi more with meth henceno risks involved. If i want to run the race map during pulls i will just switch it and activate meth . For 99% of the times the stage 2 + is enough and 15rwhp when meth activated plenty enough. You can argue as much as you want but the failsafe is totally useless. People are making such a big fuss about it and mostly used as marketing material .

I would have to disagree....I want the extra safety measures and I went to the extent of changing the safeinjection unit from SP to Lebontes just because of this....You will have many other people who will disagree with your comments....I own my car and want the best safety parameters....Meth running out while on a map set up for that is not a good thing and with enough superknocks the car endures, the longevity of the engine will be compromised....Failsafe is not useless and as you can see almost every methanol vendor is selling this feature...it must mean something

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by enrita

Fine with me. As long as we both feel safe for our own cars nothing to worry about.

You may feel safe but at leaast I KNOW I am safe with a safeinjection and map switching capabilities!!!

[e.n335]

If you want failsafe with an ECU flash, stack a JB+ on top of it and use it as the Meth. map. In case Meth flow stops, the JB+ can be set to transparent mode using a signal wire and you will run the ECU flash only.

[Mr. 5]

This is one of those things where some are really going to like the idea and others are not going to give a crap.
For me, the meth is in the windshield fluid reservoir so I have the low fluid light and chime when I get low.
Yesterday I went to the mall and the light went on when I was going to the mall.
Did I freak out? Of course not! Why?
1. Because the fluid low light is much higher than the pickup of the meth.
2. Because I don't need to drive like a maniac to the mall.

I can easily drive my car and not activate meth.

Also, some are freaking out about the meth fail safe but what about the AtoF ratios? Have people forgotten how much richer the AtoFs are with GIAC rather than the piggies?
I'm not saying this to start a tuner war but if people are so worried about their tune and the "extra safety measures" then I would think that the AtoFs would be one of the first places to start.

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

This is one of those things where some are really going to like the idea and others are not going to give a crap.
For me, the meth is in the windshield fluid reservoir so I have the low fluid light and chime when I get low.
Yesterday I went to the mall and the light went on when I was going to the mall.
Did I freak out? Of course not! Why?
1. Because the fluid low light is much higher than the pickup of the meth.
2. Because I don't need to drive like a maniac to the mall.

I can easily drive my car and not activate meth.

Also, some are freaking out about the meth fail safe but what about the AtoF ratios? Have people forgotten how much richer the AtoFs are with GIAC rather than the piggies?
I'm not saying this to start a tuner war but if people are so worried about their tune and the "extra safety measures" then I would think that the AtoFs would be one of the first places to start.

Thats the thing no one is starting anything to do with a tuner war....just stating that failsafe is a good safety measure...Whether one thinks so or not, its something to think about when running meth.

[TMR]

So the AF is richer on the flash. Let me ask this, can you drive the car hard without the meth on?

[edo]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

For me, the meth is in the windshield fluid reservoir so I have the low fluid light and chime when I get low.

And how do you wash your windshield?

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by edo

And how do you wash your windshield?

Methanol mixture is usually 49/51 meth/water.....winshield washer fluid has methanol in it already so I guess he is using it for performance as well as washing his winshield!