[D0WN4IT]

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

no, the DME needs to be coded to the car

Aww that sucks... Oh well, Im still gonna get flashed

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by D0WN4IT

Aww that sucks... Oh well, Im still gonna get flashed

Did you get banned on your last name or something?

[D0WN4IT]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

Did you get banned on your last name or something?

Yep... I think they are gonna keep banning me but its so pointless, i can always change my IP and make fake emails and just sign on in 2 minutes every time... That Admin Jason is just like a security guard that takes his job a little too seriously..

[Mike07335i]

This is awesome Just the news I was waiting/hoping for..

Quick question for Jim or anybody who is in the know. Do we know how much the shark injector will be? and when will it be available. I am assuming it will be available once the Sharkedit software is released?

Any idea on when we will get some solid dyno numbers of the supplied "base" map?

Thanks
Mike

[scottp999]

Originally Posted by lndshrk

Why? because it isn't a flash COUNTER, Jeff.

In German it's called the AIF or Aenderungs (Ae is really A umlaut) Info Feld
or Change Info Field - also sometimes called UIF or User Info Field.

It can be updated 14 times.

This was an arbitrary number that BMW picked at some point.

Again, it doesn't affect what we do - at all.

Wow. Not sure I understand, but sounds much like a password history on AIX/Unix. On one system if I wanted to keep the same password, I knew that it only kept track of the last 12 password changes, so all I had to do was change the password 12 times and then I could set it back to the original. If you could automate the process it would be the same thing as easily never having to change your password. The value would always appear the same.

hmmm.

This product sounds great. Can't wait to see more.

[E82tt6]

Originally Posted by undecided

You bought the car, agreed to terms of the warranty but you don't think twice robbing them $10K-$20K that it would take to fix a blown up motor. Would you mug your SA and take $20K off his pockets? Isn't this mess going to come back and haunt all of future BMW sales? Isn't BMW going to prevent any more turbos from coming to the US if this gets out of hand? Guys, it's not as simple as most here think. The economics of massive warranty liability are too great to fathom.

I've made numerous "You've got to pay to play" posts.

I would never try to warranty, tranny, clutch, turbo, IC, diff, half-shaft, etc that blew up while the car was tuned. However, if I had something else go wrong, even though I have a good relationship with my dealer, they would probably have an easier time getting warranty work done if I could easily flash the car back to stock, so that a BMW NA regional rep who would actually have to approve work wouldn't see a modified car.

I'm sure there are less scrupulous individuals who would do otherwise, but as I've pointed out in numberous 'v81 the sky is falling!!' posts, who cares if BMW voids your powertrain warranty? Why would one expect to keep it if modded?

The answer is peace of mind, so you don't get screwed out of brakes, wheels, tires, electronics, or anything else because the BMW Regional rep felt like denying your warranty claim based on your tune.

[BlaZin]

This Product sounds great, and if everything is going according to plans when I put my order down for a 335i, This will be my choice.

A couple of questions though.

1) Since i didn't read all the way through the thread, how will this work with the v81 DME's? will their be a tell-tale sign that anything has been touched?

2) Would this be O.K with a lease?

3) Im assuming this is something like LS1/2 Edit, HP Tuners, EFI Live, Plugs into the OBDII where you can read, edit and write a flash. Since I'm a that tunes GM products I'm guessing the parameters wont be anywhere the same.

4) Will this be able to Read and clear DTC's?

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Craig

Lol I'm more confused than ever...

+1. I think J.C.'s potential solution is intriguing, and would like to know more about his Shark Injector and SharkEdit s/w, but it would be great if he could put everything into layman's terms; not everyone is a computer programmer ya' know.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by sflgator

+1. I think J.C.'s potential solution is intriguing, and would like to know more about his Shark Injector and SharkEdit s/w, but it would be great if he could put everything into layman's terms; not everyone is a computer programmer ya' know.

I am sure he will put it in laymans terms soon enough. We still have almost two months until it comes out...

At least we know that someone big is on the horizon....

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

I am sure he will put it in laymans terms soon enough. We still have almost two months until it comes out...

At least we know that someone big is on the horizon....

Jim C? He is overweight...?

[cgillio]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

He is overweight...?

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

Jim C? He is overweight...?

lol, I have no idea.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

lol, I have no idea.

Only Slubu knows haha.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Only Slubu knows haha.

True, why wasnt that included in his summary thread.....

[mwahlert]

this is going to be the longest two months...
thank god its jet ski season!

[M4TW]

Originally Posted by lndshrk

I don't think Steve is going to take a hit at all.

Steve has his customers - I have had mine since 1993. They are very much
different customers.

What's to prevent someone from buying the shark injector and then downloading a 'pirated' Dinan flash (i.e. a map that makes identical EM changes as the Dinan flash - thereby capitalizing on Dinan's r & d without paying for it)? If something goes wrong because of the flash the same person also gets an as-good-as-Dinan warranty because they can simply flash back to stock and screw BMW on the warranty.

Or worse, someone that has bought the Dinan flash can download a 'pirated' Dinan upgrade, or toy around on their own, or download a new tuner map from the In-ter-net. If, as a consequence, they nuke their engine, they can merrily flash back to the Dinan 'stock' flash and screw Dinan on its warranty.

All these internet file sharing flashbacks gives me a Napster flashback.
While I am uncertain that tuning EM parameter maps carry any intellectual property protection (are they any different than optimal EQ settings for your stereo?), facilitating/enabling (or participating in) warranty fraud is bound to raise some legal eyebrows.

Removing a piggyback prior to a service visit to avoid having your warranty voided carries a certain sporting 'catch me if you can' flavour to it. Reflashing to erase ECU traces of an engine wrecking home tuning experiment in order to get warranty coverage is a bit more brazen, and dare I say, fraudulent.

Piggyback tunes were obviously wreaking (or threatening to wreak) havoc with BMW's warranty (i.e. reliability) score on cars with the N54 engine. Just think what tossing the keys to the ECU to everyone without fear of detection will do.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Sparkplug

What's to prevent someone from buying the shark injector and then downloading a 'pirated' Dinan flash (i.e. a map that makes identical EM changes as the Dinan flash - thereby capitalizing on Dinan's r & d without paying for it)? If something goes wrong because of the flash the same person also gets an as-good-as-Dinan warranty because they can simply flash back to stock and screw BMW on the warranty.

Or worse, someone that has bought the Dinan flash can download a 'pirated' Dinan upgrade, or toy around on their own, or download a new tuner map from the In-ter-net. If, as a consequence, they nuke their engine, they can merrily flash back to the Dinan 'stock' flash and screw Dinan on its warranty.

All these internet file sharing flashbacks gives me a Napster flashback.
While I am uncertain that tuning EM parameter maps carry any intellectual property protection (are they any different than optimal EQ settings for your stereo?), facilitating/enabling (or participating in) warranty fraud is bound to raise some legal eyebrows.

Removing a piggyback prior to a service visit to avoid having your warranty voided carries a certain sporting 'catch me if you can' flavour to it. Reflashing to erase ECU traces of an engine wrecking home tuning experiment in order to get warranty coverage is a bit more brazen, and dare I say, fraudulent.

Piggyback tunes were obviously wreaking (or threatening to wreak) havoc with BMW's warranty (i.e. reliability) score on cars with the N54 engine. Just think what tossing the keys to the ECU to everyone without fear of detection will do.

Good post. I have to say that while part of me thinks this Shark Edit stuff is very cool, and quite exciting, the other part of me agrees exactly with what you are thinking/saying.

[Craigito]

Originally Posted by Sparkplug

facilitating/enabling (or participating in) warranty fraud is bound to raise some legal eyebrows.

This is not an illegal product. If someone decides to make a fraudulent warranty claim, that's their individual decision...has nothing to do with the product.

[stevenc]

Originally Posted by Craigito

This is not an illegal product. If someone decides to make a fraudulent warranty claim, that's their individual decision...has nothing to do with the product.

Agreed. We need tools like this for those who are serious about racing their vehicle. But by pushing the vehicle, they should understand that they accept the liability for anything that goes wrong. Its not the tool, its the person.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by Craigito

This is not an illegal product. If someone decides to make a fraudulent warranty claim, that's their individual decision...has nothing to do with the product.

+1.

It is on individual ethics. Companies sell guns all day long but you dont see people asking if they feel bad when people get killed.

Well, some people ask but it is still on the individual who made the purchase to do the right thing.

As far as the legal part is concerned I am sure that Jim is organized as a LLC, LLP, or better yet a corp so he is protected to only losing his investment.

Jim seems like a smart guy, I am sure he has thought this out....

[Calgary Agent]

Originally Posted by stevenc

Its not the tool, its the person.

Trouble is, many people are tools

[5soko]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Good post. I have to say that while part of me thinks this Shark Edit stuff is very cool, and quite exciting, the other part of me agrees exactly with what you are thinking/saying.

makes sense, i agree good post.