[shockin330i]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

IDK why everyone has to see huge numbers to buy a turbo?

You guys see the power under the curve yet? Cause that cna get you just as far if its large enough.

:werd:

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Penn999

The RB's also produce power all the way to redline, I have been doing more research on these than I care to admit. They are making roughly 500whp at 19-20psi with meth with the jb3. I think the Procede will handle these better but only time will tell, dzenno should have his installed here soon. I know there is no turbo that is "stock like" that produces 500 on pump LOL that defies physics. I am trying to justify a price and numbers, thats what Im tuned in for. Obviously im looking for power under the curve as well, only fools talk about peak power, if your car makes 500 on pump at 5000rpm but drops like a rock toward redline then you havent accomplished shit. I totally agree with you there.



Both BMW and Shiv and other people that I deem are educated have already said that the n55 would be yielding less power, which is why the 1m and the 335is went with a n54 derivative. I dont know where the n55 comment came from. We have been talkin about n54 stuff, but they are looking for someone to "donate" an n55 turbo so they can begin work on it.

Of course they produce power to redline.. ANY larger than stock frame turbo should.. But where does it make FULL POWER.. a turbo that make 500whp at 7k but makes 350hp at 5k will get walked by a 450hp stock frame car ALL DAY EVERY DAY..

Your Statement of Power under the curve but then relating to dropping off at redline is backwards.. If you have a turbo that doesnt make full power until 5k it better make power to 7k.. Power under the curve comes from well before 5k.. Ou turbos will show they spool as FAST or FASTER than any other turbo and can make 450+ at redline.. thats our goal.. if it makes 275 peak GREAT if not im still satisfied with what we have built for turbos..

Mike

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Penn999

Well can you explain a jb+ and a dci making 350whp? Cause I cant

I cant either.. Like i said it is probably on more boost then it showed.. he has exhaust also which will gain a little.. Our dyno if you do your diligent research on EVOM.net youll see has NEEVER EVER been questioned of reading high because it doesnt.. it reads like a DJ is supposed to read..

Mike

[AWD Motorsports]

OFF TOPIC... Looks like we have our 1st n55 volunteer.. Ill keep you guys posted in a new thread once the development starts...

Mike

[shockin330i]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

OFF TOPIC... Looks like we have our 1st n55 volunteer.. Ill keep you guys posted in a new thread once the development starts...

Mike

fck yeah!!!

[shockin330i]

Originally Posted by 335iPSI

The N55 comment came from the fact that it has been mentioned in this thread many times. At roughly 1/2 the cost of upgrading an N54, it would be great to see how this combination turns out. We all know the N54 has more headroom from a stock turbo perspective, hence the 335is and 1M. With a turbo upgrade and the valvetronic, spool characteristics could be outstanding which was my point.

On a side note, does this mean it will be about 1/2 the cost to us? If so so I can save up some money. I'd expect this to take at least a month or two to develop...

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

I cant either.. Like i said it is probably on more boost then it showed.. he has exhaust also which will gain a little.. Our dyno if you do your diligent research on EVOM.net youll see has NEEVER EVER been questioned of reading high because it doesnt.. it reads like a DJ is supposed to read..

Mike

I dont know how much they can exactly boost to, but I dont think its much higher than 13.5psi. Im not saying that it is under question but I wonder how much hp I would make, comparing mods. 400whp? And what does that mean about the turbos yielding 420-450whp? Not financially effective IMO, do you see my predicament? I am not bashing, I am looking for a cost effective way to achieve my end goal for the car. BTW bmw perf. exhaust doesnt make any more than 2whp, if that. It retains the stock secondary cats.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

Of course they produce power to redline.. ANY larger than stock frame turbo should.. But where does it make FULL POWER.. a turbo that make 500whp at 7k but makes 350hp at 5k will get walked by a 450hp stock frame car ALL DAY EVERY DAY..

Your Statement of Power under the curve but then relating to dropping off at redline is backwards.. If you have a turbo that doesnt make full power until 5k it better make power to 7k.. Power under the curve comes from well before 5k.. Ou turbos will show they spool as FAST or FASTER than any other turbo and can make 450+ at redline.. thats our goal.. if it makes 275 peak GREAT if not im still satisfied with what we have built for turbos..

Mike

I understand what you are saying about the power under curve, and yes I do know what that means. I dont disagree with your example there, but think about how much hp a car makes(proportionately) from 3000-5000 compared to 5000-7000. Do you understand what I mean. Since hp is greater at 5000 to begin with, is proportionately a lot more...Im talkin in terms of total area if that helps clear up anything.

[enrita]

A car with upped turbos is a completely different ride than one with stock turbos. You gotta try it to feel it. I was loosing about 30 whp from peak power to redline. Seems these are a very good option considering the billet compressor wheels . There are some good info online about the difference with a cast wheel in terms of reliability and gains.

I still prefere though a full upgrade with td4 chra and 15t turbine

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by enrita

A car with upped turbos is a completely different ride than one with stock turbos. You gotta try it to feel it. I was loosing about 30 whp from peak power to redline. Seems these are a very good option considering the billet compressor wheels . There are some good info online about the difference with a cast wheel in terms of reliability and gains.

I still prefere though a full upgrade with td4 chra and 15t turbine

How about this....
1) Upgraded much enlarged Compressor AND Turbine wheel/shaft (please note this is not a "modified" stock turbine)
2) Upgraded much enlarged Centersection and Internals
3) Modified Turbine housing to adapt above Upgraded Centersection with much enlarged bore to accept the UPGRADED enlarged Turbine Wheel.
4) Fully adapted centersection to retain OEM Oil and Coolant Lines (saves dearly on installation time and frustrations AND retains water cooling)
5) Fully upgraded Billet INTERNAL wastegate assembly (completely remove and trash the complete OEM wastegates, and replace with the best of the best wear matched high heat materials). This includes new main support Bushings, Wastegate Levers/pins, Wastegate Arms, Flappers/retaining washer.
6) Completely bolt on, just as the OEM units.

Please note this is not a compressor only upgrade, and the level of modification and fabrication is quite extensive in comparison.

[Nor_Cal_335i]

Originally Posted by Penn999

Well can you explain a jb+ and a dci making 350whp? Cause I cant

I cant explain that because Im not that active in the 335i forums, as I just picked up my 335i last month.

But I am a vendor on the main EVO forum (evoM.net) and know from the EVO world that AWD's dyno is consistent and inline with other dynojets.

[huyner328]

There's just way too much ambiguity when it comes to deciphering differences between dyno numbers... but making 350rwhp @ 10psi is pretty damn amazing?

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by huyner328

There's just way too much ambiguity when it comes to deciphering differences between dyno numbers... but making 350rwhp @ 10psi is pretty damn amazing?

the dyno read 13.5psi
still amazing numbers for a jb+, dci and bmw performance exhaust. Huy will u be at the dyno day, any updates on when you are getting your car back. Mine has come a LONG way since I last saw you.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by Nor_Cal_335i

I cant explain that because Im not that active in the 335i forums, as I just picked up my 335i last month.

But I am a vendor on the main EVO forum (evoM.net) and know from the EVO world that AWD's dyno is consistent and inline with other dynojets.

Look up the mods jb+, dci, and bmw performance exhaust. Even if you did the math the ricer way you would only be at 320-330whp MAX. Maybe he has a "magical" car.

[thatsosm]

to all the haters on this forum, Enough of this theoretical HP calculation B.S. Run the JB+ car against another car making 350whp and well see the results, same goes with the RB turbos, who cares about the numbers run those cars side by side and let that do the talking. Until then everyone is just speculating.

[Slidewayz]

Originally Posted by alexosma

to all the haters on this forum, Enough of this theoretical HP calculation B.S. Run the JB+ car against another car making 350whp and well see the results, same goes with the RB turbos, who cares about the numbers run those cars side by side and let that do the talking. Until then everyone is just speculating.

I agree with the sentiment, but that still wouldn't be objective since the cars would have to have the same tires, transmissions, and nearly identical skill levels for the drivers. Otherwise, there will be skew one way or the other.

Put otherwise identical cars on the drag strip and have the same driver make multiple runs with each car...that will be pretty close to objective.

[Nor_Cal_335i]

Originally Posted by Penn999

Look up the mods jb+, dci, and bmw performance exhaust. Even if you did the math the ricer way you would only be at 320-330whp MAX. Maybe he has a "magical" car.

Yeah maybe he just has a freak car.

I can say though, that a dynojet can NOT be manipulated like a Mustang dyno or a dynodynamics dyno. There is no way to input roller weight or user defined correction factors. You can only run it "Uncorrected", "SAE" correction or "STD" correction. When using one of the corrected settings, the dyno uses weather info from its own weather station to do the correction. Also, the correction factor can be printed on the dyno chart to show that its reasonable and accepted correction, usually +/- .07.

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Nor_Cal_335i

Yeah maybe he just has a freak car.

I can say though, that a dynojet can NOT be manipulated like a Mustang dyno or a dynodynamics dyno. There is no way to input roller weight or user defined correction factors. You can only run it "Uncorrected", "SAE" correction or "STD" correction. When using one of the corrected settings, the dyno uses weather info from its own weather station to do the correction. Also, the correction factor can be printed on the dyno chart to show that its reasonable and accepted correction, usually +/- .07.

That is correct and this car was 1.01.. so 1% correction for the heat..

Mike

[GeorgiaTech335coupe]

The dynojet seems to be about right with the dynojets i have used. Stock I made 286whp, Procede V3 + DCI - I made 350 whp (prob not much more boost than the JB+ was boosting, 420 fully modded w/race gas and a lot of boost.

I also dyno'd on a Mustang dyno with the same setup that I made 350whp on the dynojet. I made 330whp on the Mustang.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Just for the record, these are really just wheels we're getting here, right? The housings are stock, unmodified samples?

For comparisons, these are two wheels, yes, but very very small turbos as opposed to, say, a GTX4294R which is going for $2500 (which is the whole thing, not just a wheel), which is a very large turbo capable of far more power.

I've always been opposed to a price premium due solely to the badge on the hood. I've also always said you have to pay to play. But this is what happens when you're in a niche market.

true on the above BUT your just buying a single completed turbo from the manufacturer. This are modified stock turbo's w upgraded wheels.....labor is involved in making that happen.

also if i'm not mistaken you are also getting the exhaust manifolds no?

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Sniz

true on the above BUT your just buying a single completed turbo from the manufacturer. This are modified stock turbo's w upgraded wheels.....labor is involved in making that happen.

also if i'm not mistaken you are also getting the exhaust manifolds no?

labor is also involved in making a turbo to begin with....thats the funny part.

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Just for the record, these are really just wheels we're getting here, right? The housings are stock, unmodified samples?

For comparisons, these are two wheels, yes, but very very small turbos as opposed to, say, a GTX4294R which is going for $2500 (which is the whole thing, not just a wheel), which is a very large turbo capable of far more power.

I've always been opposed to a price premium due solely to the badge on the hood. I've also always said you have to pay to play. But this is what happens when you're in a niche market.

No.. The front housing has to be modified to get the larger wheel in it.. Your incorrect about the price premium due to the badge as well..

The Mitsubishi EVO Turbos modified in the stock housing start at 1500 EACH and go up to 2k.. EACH.. thats 4k a pair.. thats for a car that costs 13k now..

We have done all we can to keep costs down..

Mike