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01-15-2008, 02:16 PM | #23 |
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The dinan tunes runs 13.8 there beta was 15 but they dialed it back to save the turbos from blowing out.They plan on going past 15psi with bigger turbos.You have to remember that dinan has to pay for blown turbos and they dont want to chance it at all.They did not run less boost because of limp modes that is just pure speculation,just becuase one tuner gets limp modes dosnt mean dinan will also.
When I get my car I will go with the most power and most likely go with a procede and hopefully get a race map with it.I have been waiting for ever to see a fully done race map tune. |
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01-15-2008, 02:28 PM | #24 | |
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01-15-2008, 02:32 PM | #25 | |
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Also, I (and others) had my original procede installed with less then 500 miles on my car. I am from the school of a "hard" break in. Remember that your ecu will "learn" your driving habits, and adapt to them.
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01-15-2008, 03:36 PM | #27 | |
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I thought I read some guy saying that they tested 15psi but backed it down for long term turbo life. |
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01-15-2008, 04:41 PM | #28 |
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Are you able to get 100% out of your car 100% of the time right now? If not, why add more? Before adding more HP please make sure you can safely drive the car as is. I recommend attending a good driver's school and auto-x. In reality on a road course the car is less important than the driver... Since you are in LA, plan to attend the BMW CCA LA auto-x on February 2, 2008. That is a great way to learn your car and become a faster driver...
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01-15-2008, 04:57 PM | #29 | |
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Either way you go, you'll be happy.
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01-15-2008, 05:17 PM | #30 | |
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With the Dinan like any flash the second you flash your car with it, your money is gone and you will never see a dollar of it again, if you are like me and you dont care about the money then the other things i look at are other modifications in conjunction with the Tune... With the procede there are always new maps coming out for mods and now there will be gear specific maps along with maps for mods and maybe launch control... what happens when you get the Dinan flash and then want some catless downpipes, who knows if the flash will make the car run too rich or too lean with other mods like DP's, intake, exhaust, FMIC, or if you want to add a meth injection kit there will not be any option to tune for it on a flash. My car on PROcede V2 and other boltons is making way more power than a dinan flashed car, and i think every tuner so far is going to get shot down when Shiv makes an MS109 race gas map(if he does), i think that will seal the deal completely on what tune makes more power. If i could make 450WHP and close to 500WTQ with all the boltons i have on a race gas map there is going to be a lot of yelling going on here All in all i think the Vishnu PROcede is still the best tune out there for the twin turbo BMW! |
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01-15-2008, 05:23 PM | #31 | |
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The fundmental difference between the 2 are the approach they take to tune your car. DINAN: DINAN is a reprogramming of your engine's computer. BMW's ECU has full control over all aspects of the engine's functions and is encrypted so that street tuners cannot get in and reek havoc on their engines, causing huge warranty issues and possible bad press (ie BMW's broken down all over the place). DINAN's tune is more modest than the PROcede tune, comes with a warranty and can be done at any authorized BMW dealer! $2,000 (It cost ALOT!) PROcede: VishnuTuning takes another approach widely accepted across the community as a cheaper, user freindly and more personal... using something called a "piggyback". It's a stand-alone computer with a harness that attaches to the engine's ECU and fools the engine into doing what it wants. PROcede is pretty sophisticated and on the verge of being rock solid. It has gone threw many iterations and software "maps" can be uploaded as the user see fit... so that they can have the performance characteristics they see fit. $1,400, plus a laptop if you want to fiddle with your tune to make it more personal. The finer points of each can be searched and found in many threads. Note: "Piggybacks" can only fool a certain aspects of the ECU's function (I think it's fooling like 10-12 of them, ask Shiv) while a "Flash" has use of all the functions and all aspects, thousands of them. Typically, if you have a lease... don't care about the intergrity of your engine and like to dragrace, you'll go with a piggyback. If you plan on keeping your car for 3+ years, just want more horsepower and all-around refined "tune" that will allow for a no-nonsense years of enjoyment, you'll most likely opt for the more expensive ECU reflash! -Garrett |
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01-15-2008, 06:01 PM | #32 |
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Thanks guys everyone is so helpful here.. even with the criticism.. seems I have to do more research on either being lazy and going with Dinan or actually learning more about my car by buying Procede.. I'm just not sure of the different "maps" that are out for Procede.. Is it similar to overclocking the computer??.. Sometimes you can overclock the computer too much and not make it work anymore.. while having a conservative overclock will still maintain the stability of the computer.. sorry, talking in computer terms.. that's all I know that can compare to the car.. since my car is still new (less than 1 month, about 2 months from production time).. what is your mileage before you try to do the Procede or Dinan?
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01-15-2008, 06:23 PM | #33 |
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Whatever will make you happy is the good choice. I choose VISNHU a year ago and I am very, very happy with my choice. Never a CEL, never a problem, and better and better performance at each software/firmware upgrade.
About mileage, I would wait until 1500. |
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01-17-2008, 08:11 PM | #34 | |
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If your into Dragracing, where your going to be making your car a suped-up Bimmer with modified exhaust, removing of the cats, etc... Then you would choose something like what alot of the illegal "street kids" use.. such as the PROcede. Because VishnuTuning periodically release "maps" for those dragracers whom have removed their Catalytic Convertors, or other "performance" modification.. such as running with 100Octane. Mind you... many choose this type of "tune" and use these cars as their daily drivers... and you see all the "kiddies" post these kills up on YouTube. But you have to realize they don't own their cars and they will sell off their tune once their done with the car. |
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01-17-2008, 08:22 PM | #35 | |
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01-17-2008, 08:41 PM | #36 | |
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Seriously, STFU! I own my 335i, I take it to the (legal) drag strip, and I can appreciate any modification to make the car faster. Will I do them all? No, but that doesn't mean I think negatively of those who do. Stop make sweeping generalizations. I don't own a Procede, I have a JB2R. Dinan just recently became available and some of us have been wanting to tune our 335i's prior to this. Shiv and some others made this happen, but now anyone that doesn't have Dinan is an illegal street kiddie? hahahahhahah. |
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01-17-2008, 08:51 PM | #37 | |
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01-17-2008, 08:57 PM | #39 |
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lets compare.
anyone have any dynos of a 100% stock 335i with a PROcede installed w.e. version we are up to now on pump gas. the gains would be useful to compare to the limited ones we have of the dinan. from what i can see. the dinan flash on 93 octane can take out the Vishnu xede, v1.47 and V2 on 91 octane does that mean, a dinan flash on the east coast on 93 can make as much power and more than u guys on the west coast on 91 |
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01-17-2008, 09:15 PM | #42 | |
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what are the gains of a V2 on 91 octane of a full stock car on the TQ setting set to match? what is the best TQ setting for 91 octane? |
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01-17-2008, 09:36 PM | #43 | |
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Guess that the big difference between people who live in Cali and those who drag eslewhere. They don't drive their "tuners" on the streets... where it seems to go totally dismissed in your neck of the woods. Perhaps it's the Californication effect all over again, I dunno! Perhaps it's all the YouTube videos or the sheer amount of members here trying to hide their tunes from their dealers. I dunno, but my Dealer would be involved in any work done on my engine... wether they sent it out or did it themselves. 90% of everyone talking about their piggy's are touting timeslips or kill stories on the strips... seems none of them race their cars. I've well documented my disdain for dragracing in other post/threads... So yeah, I guess i look down on those people who do things the "cheap" way at the cost of others. Mind you, I'm talking about moderz or the people who want the MOST out fo their tune, but are unwilling to back that up with their wallet. Meaning, they want nothing more than more power and torque from their respected tuner.. but don't even consider lighter rims or other investments. |
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01-17-2008, 09:58 PM | #44 | |
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I'm like Eugene, just want a stable products thats NOT centered around MORE hp, but stable refined tune. If you were to offer a different product for all those people who wanted to run cat-back, Dp, 100octane, BOV, etc.. thats fine. But, how about showing some self control and getting a map that doesn't drop codes on 91 Octane, before you start entertaining the "fast & furious" crowd with "killa tunez". |
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