[ntpcrew13]

Originally Posted by magamaga

FYI, I just downloaded the Installation Instructions for the ACM module dated 8/2006 (grrrr....it's been so long )

Anyhow the part number for the retrofit kit is:

65 50 0 418 002 Retrofit kit BMW accessory menu ACM E90,E91,E92,E60, E61 and E63,E64.

I just called Momemtum BMW here in Houston and the parts guy didn't find it.

where did you get that part number from?? i checked on tischer bmw's site, but it was not found. i found part #65500431542 from e60.net, but i still dont see that on tischer's website. i read that the forum member on e60.net purchased it for around $650 and had to make up his own rca input for the device. he has successfully installed the acm with rear camera and dvd player. he is able to control alot of stuff on the idrive and it gives him additional features. heres the link i found. i know this is off topic, but im actually talking to him about sending me a retrofit kit an m5 steering wheel with paddle shifter kit. this guy seems to be the longtran of e60.net.

[bsd107]

On RealOEM.COM they list "RETROFIT KIT FOR ACCESSORY CONTROL MENU ACM" for the 2006 E90 as Part Number 65500418002. This is for vehicles with the navigation system.

The following EBA (options installation manuals) apply:
EBA 0418005, EBA 0420167

[bsd107]

Originally Posted by apw2607

I found these ...... still i think this describes the older ACM module ....

Thanks a lot for the manual postings - these are great for the ACM.

Based on the manual, it's clear that I am out of luck (for now) regarding the E90 LCI model. The ACM retrofit kit plugs into the iDrive controller, which is significantly changed for the E90 LCI 2009 models. That alone rules out the existing kit for me. I'm not sure if the entire ACM architecture will change with the new iDrive system, too.....

[bsd107]

I'm not neccessarily trying to hijack this thread back to the original subject (as I do enjoy the ACM talk). But personally I am really only interested in putting in a "REVERSING CAMERA RETROFIT KIT" into a US E90 LCI with the full iDrive/Navigation.

Is the ACM required to do the BMW reversing camera retrofit kit?

Also, where could I find the installation manuals for the REVERSING CAMERA RETROFIT KIT (which could probably answer most of my questions)?

Thanks again!

[bsd107]

Originally Posted by garyhgaryh

I felt this info would be useful to someone on the list and I may consider doing it myself if I don't lose my PDC functionality which I paid money for!

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For E-90/92/93 with an on-board monitor.
Retrofit kit No.
66 21 0 406 999 LVDS converter extras kit
66 21 0 412 010 Rear View Retrofit

The installation time is approx. 2.0 to 2.5 hours. This may vary depending on the condition of the car and the equipment in it.This retrofit system does not require coding.

Looks fairly simple for a tech since taking apart connectors in order to splice in a pin/wire or avoiding kinking/damaging cables comes naturally.They are personnel trained on BMW cars with the appropriate specialist knowledge.Im sure an indy could do it,but all BMW techs would do it right.

Could you please point me to where I could find the installation manuals for this kit? Thanks!

[RyanDe680]

Originally Posted by bsd107

I'm not neccessarily trying to hijack this thread back to the original subject (as I do enjoy the ACM talk). But personally I am really only interested in putting in a "REVERSING CAMERA RETROFIT KIT" into a US E90 LCI with the full iDrive/Navigation.

Is the ACM required to do the BMW reversing camera retrofit kit?

Also, where could I find the installation manuals for the REVERSING CAMERA RETROFIT KIT (which could probably answer most of my questions)?

Thanks again!

+1

That's all I care about. The new A5/S5 has a backup camera that just rocks.

[glamprecht]

The E60 camera installations are not the same as the E90. There is a E90 backup camera as well as a surround camera. I have a hardcopy of the instructions and will scan it in on Monday at the office.

The surround camera (consisting of 2 cameras in 1 package) is about $2000 so its too expensive for my taste. Also on the E90 it does not seem possible to have the video track overlay like on the E60.

Anyway I will be installing the ACM on my car over the weekend and will let you know how it works. The installation is actually very very simple. YOu have to tap into the CAN bus, the Audio and the Video. All the other connectors are for your convenience - not to be connected. An added advantage is obviously that power is sorted out properly.

I have 2 install manuals for ACM. Level 1 and Level 2.

65 50 0 418 002 Retrofit BMW Accessory Menu ACM - L1
65 50 0 422 701 Retrofit BMW Accessory Menu ACM - L1
65 50 0 431 544 Retrofit BMW Accessory Menu ACM - L1
65 50 0 441 372 Retrofit BMW Accessory Menu ACM - L2

ONLY level 2 (L2) supports the USB module.

I paid $700 for my unit from the BMW spares department. They had no in stock and ordered the unit from Germany. It was here a week later. They have to put in a bit more effort to get it for you so if you SA is lazy they would say sorry. Go to another SA.

The E90 backup camera seems to mount where the current license plate light is and actually includes the license plate light next to the camera.

You need the ACM to have the camera.

Added advantage is a generic CAN-RS232 interface, so if you want a CARPC you have CAN input/output already.

[magamaga]

That's awesome man! Let me know how it goes. Thanks for showing all the part numbers. Let me know how it goes.

Please if you can document your install with pictures here that would be awesome.

Originally Posted by glamprecht

The E60 camera installations are not the same as the E90. There is a E90 backup camera as well as a surround camera. I have a hardcopy of the instructions and will scan it in on Monday at the office.

The surround camera (consisting of 2 cameras in 1 package) is about $2000 so its too expensive for my taste. Also on the E90 it does not seem possible to have the video track overlay like on the E60.

Anyway I will be installing the ACM on my car over the weekend and will let you know how it works. The installation is actually very very simple. YOu have to tap into the CAN bus, the Audio and the Video. All the other connectors are for your convenience - not to be connected. An added advantage is obviously that power is sorted out properly.

I have 2 install manuals for ACM. Level 1 and Level 2.

65 50 0 418 002 Retrofit BMW Accessory Menu ACM - L1
65 50 0 422 701 Retrofit BMW Accessory Menu ACM - L1
65 50 0 431 544 Retrofit BMW Accessory Menu ACM - L1
65 50 0 441 372 Retrofit BMW Accessory Menu ACM - L2

ONLY level 2 (L2) supports the USB module.

I paid $700 for my unit from the BMW spares department. They had no in stock and ordered the unit from Germany. It was here a week later. They have to put in a bit more effort to get it for you so if you SA is lazy they would say sorry. Go to another SA.

The E90 backup camera seems to mount where the current license plate light is and actually includes the license plate light next to the camera.

You need the ACM to have the camera.

Added advantage is a generic CAN-RS232 interface, so if you want a CARPC you have CAN input/output already.

[bsd107]

Originally Posted by RyanDe680

+1

That's all I care about. The new A5/S5 has a backup camera that just rocks.

I'm wondering if the full ACM is required if only the rear backup camera is desired - i.e. whether there is a cheaper interface module....

[bsd107]

Originally Posted by glamprecht

The E60 camera installations are not the same as the E90. There is a E90 backup camera as well as a surround camera. I have a hardcopy of the instructions and will scan it in on Monday at the office.

Excellent - that would be great!

Are you installing the backup camera in addition to the ACM?

[bsd107]

Originally Posted by glamprecht

The E60 camera installations are not the same as the E90. There is a E90 backup camera as well as a surround camera. I have a hardcopy of the instructions and will scan it in on Monday at the office.

The surround camera (consisting of 2 cameras in 1 package) is about $2000 so its too expensive for my taste. Also on the E90 it does not seem possible to have the video track overlay like on the E60.
The E90 backup camera seems to mount where the current license plate light is and actually includes the license plate light next to the camera.

You need the ACM to have the camera.

This is really unfortunate that the level of sophistication of the E90 Rearview Camera is way below that of the one in the E60. Those overlays on the E60 version look awesome.

I wonder how the E90 Rearview Camera functions in conjunction with the PDC....

Does anyone have installation instructions for the E90 Rearview Camera retrofit kit?

[apw2607]

Thanks for clarifying the different acm modules and the one that supports USB devices.

Since the acm requires aux audio for some features, I wonder if it's also compatible with 6FL?

[glamprecht]

There are a couple of cheaper interfaces available. I think the cheapest is about $400. I paid equivalent of $670 for the original BMW parts. Reason is that I want to build a CARPC and need the CAN-RS232 interface that comes with the ACM.

Yes, you need the full kit if you only want a backup camera

Originally Posted by bsd107

I'm wondering if the full ACM is required if only the rear backup camera is desired - i.e. whether there is a cheaper interface module....

[glamprecht]

I am planning to build the video overlay using the steering angle such as on the E60 myself. Probably going to use the AVR for that: http://dzl.dk/projects/electronics/osd/osd.html

Ive scanned in the instructions for the E90 camera retrofit. Will load it later.

Originally Posted by bsd107

This is really unfortunate that the level of sophistication of the E90 Rearview Camera is way below that of the one in the E60. Those overlays on the E60 version look awesome.

I wonder how the E90 Rearview Camera functions in conjunction with the PDC....

Does anyone have installation instructions for the E90 Rearview Camera retrofit kit?

[glamprecht]

Yes, it is compatible with 6FL, but you have to remove the USB device if you select DVD, otherwise it will override the sound.

However this is better than 6FL, because you can witch movies and view photos from your USB harddrive/USB flash memory - so I am not sure who still wants 6FL!

Originally Posted by apw2607

Thanks for clarifying the different acm modules and the one that supports USB devices.

Since the acm requires aux audio for some features, I wonder if it's also compatible with 6FL?

[bsd107]

Originally Posted by glamprecht

There are a couple of cheaper interfaces available. I think the cheapest is about $400. I paid equivalent of $670 for the original BMW parts. Reason is that I want to build a CARPC and need the CAN-RS232 interface that comes with the ACM.

Yes, you need the full kit if you only want a backup camera

Regarding the cheaper options (e.g. the $400 one) - are these BMW parts, or are you talking about other manufacturer's? I'm only interested in the true original BMW part options....

OK, so full ACM required for backup camera.

[glamprecht]

The cheaper options are not BMW parts, but are being accepted by some BMW S.A. Some have some features that are better, but I like the BMW ACM better.

Your choice in the end.

Remember that few parts in the car are true BMW parts anyway. Most parts are contracted to Delphi, Bosch, Nokia or other firms. Sometimes these firms also offer after-market products that are similar or better than the BMW part.

It is still better not to think about it and just by BMW labeled parts. At least they endorse it.

Originally Posted by bsd107

Regarding the cheaper options (e.g. the $400 one) - are these BMW parts, or are you talking about other manufacturer's? I'm only interested in the true original BMW part options....

OK, so full ACM required for backup camera.

[bsd107]

Still anxious to see the installation manual for the Rearview Camera. Also curious how it operates in conjunction with Front/Rear PDC....

[bsd107]

Originally Posted by glamprecht

It is still better not to think about it and just by BMW labeled parts. At least they endorse it.

Agreed. That's my approach anyway. Also more difficult for BMW to claim you voided the warranty....

[glamprecht]

OK it appeared to be straight forward and less than 2 hours to install. If you've done it 100 times before it will take 2 hours.

Anyway it took me about 8 hours. I tried to get as close as original installation as possible. I routed all wires, cables, etc just like BMW would have in the factory. That took a lot of time. The installation manual covers almost everything. THe pictures of how to remove the panels are elsewhere on this site - so no need to repeat that.

HERE ARE THE LESSONS LEARNT IN ADDITION:

1. You have to remove the cup holders to get the glovebox frame out before getting to the fuse box or JBE.

2. You have to remove ALL 4 srews from the JBE, not the 2 that are mentioned in the installation manual.

3. Be careful when you put the connector back into the JBE. Hold the fuses with your other hand so they dont push out as you push the connector in.

4. The ground terminal probably has paint on. Remove the paint otherwise the cables may not ground well.

5. You have to remove the back of the centre console to lift it up to route the cables properly.

6. Before you mount the to controller boxes below the steering wheel make sure it is high enough so you can fit the foot panel cover back.

7. Be VERY CAREFUL with the optical fibre cabling in the car that goes to the CCC and the one that goes to the breakout box on the passenger footwell cover.

8. The instructions for the LVDS cable is actually incorrect (for RHD at least) This is correct: Remove the LVDS cable that is currently between the CCC and CID. Now connect the long cable that came in the kit between the CID and the ACM. Connect the existing cable between the CCC and the ACM. This way the colours and indexes and cable lengths works out perfectly and you dont have to cut off the indexes.

9. Remember to route a video cable and power cable in addition to the supplied cables to the back of the car for the reversing camera input. Otherwise the reversing camera in put is still at the front.

10. Route the rear cable connector A10 past the rear seat into the trunk. The cable is long enough and that's where you are going to put your equipment anyway. The instructions says install this first. Rather install it last.

11. I also did something stupid like not reading the instructions for the setup menu well. It says right 1 times and left 3 times then push down to get into the menu. Left is pushing the controller left and NOT rotating left.

12. Remove pins 2 & 19 from connector A1 and isolate first.

Also I cannot see why at all the US cars would work differently. The unit does not require coding and it's interface with the CCC is totally transparent. The only messaging between the ACM and CCC is to select the AUX audio input.

[glamprecht]

Herewith the latest ACM

[glamprecht]

ACM level 2 installation manual