[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Don't raise your voice to me!

You know I wouldn't ever even come close to doing such a thing.

Originally Posted by Bubbles

I see you finally adjusted your avatar.

Come 50k, I'm going to gut the car and put in a roll cage

It was time for a change. I decided to instead display my loyalty in my signature.

By then BMW will probably be offering their own "BMW Performance Rollcage" with the disclaimer: Cars with BMW Performance Rollcage will not meet CPO specifications...

[gmoney]

Okay, so clear this up for someone who is a complete newbie when it comes to this stuff.

I'm looking into the piggyback mod, and was seriously considering Dinan for warranty reasons. Is this change saying that no vehicle will be CPO after 9/1/08 and thus no warranty either?

Please explain to me, thanks!

[vase330]

I wouldn't worry about it. I got Dinan for the warranty. I bought my car so CPO or not makes no difference to me. I would not have sprung for extended warranty even if my car remained stock, so it makes no difference either. If the thing breaks after 50K miles, well, shit happens, I'll just cough up the $$$ and fix it or if I am not feeling it, sell it. You can't live your life always afraid of the unknown. Worse things could happen. You could wreck the car but not enough to total it. Your resale will take a big hit, worse than a tune you atleast enjoy. Live a little and take reasonable risks in life, there is always some potential reward for a little risk taking. If you prefer to be 100% safe, don't touch it, no risks at all, but you also miss-out on the fun we are all having.

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by vase330

I wouldn't worry about it. I got Dinan for the warranty. I bought my car so CPO or not makes no difference to me.

How can it not make a difference? When you trade in the car you bought in 4 years, would you rather get $30,000 for it because they can CPO it or $24,000 for it because they can't certify it??!

We still need to clarify the 9/1 date on the PDF. Is this indicating that all cars with FLASHES done before 9/1 are able to be CPO'd or just all cars processed as trades, and hence potential CPO's, before 9/1 are able to be CPO'd. BIG difference.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by vase330

I wouldn't worry about it. I got Dinan for the warranty. I bought my car so CPO or not makes no difference to me. I would not have sprung for extended warranty even if my car remained stock, so it makes no difference either. If the thing breaks after 50K miles, well, shit happens, I'll just cough up the $$$ and fix it or if I am not feeling it, sell it. You can't live your life always afraid of the unknown. Worse things could happen. You could wreck the car but not enough to total it. Your resale will take a big hit, worse than a tune you atleast enjoy. Live a little and take reasonable risks in life, there is always some potential reward for a little risk taking. If you prefer to be 100% safe, don't touch it, no risks at all, but you also miss-out on the fun we are all having.

+1, but honestly I would love to have a 100k mile warranty on this car, might still look into one. I purchased my 335 as well, but i'm sure i'm going to have a few headaches down the road as parts start to wear out.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by ezatnova

cars with FLASHES done before 9/1 are able to be CPO'd or just all cars processed as trades, and hence potential CPO's, before 9/1 are able to be CPO'd. BIG difference.

The bolded statement is correct.

[NeoE46]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

The bolded statement is correct.

Are you sure? Sounds like you are interpreting this for what you want it to say. The PDF states....

Dinan modified cars no longer accepted into the CPO program after 9/1/08.

This is pretty clear to me. It doesn't say anything about when the car was modified....it states that any car with Dinan mods cannot be a part of the program.

Sounds like it is time for Dinan to make a move. In other words, stop notifying BMW of modifications performed. Change his warranty process. If it breaks, have BMW fix it. If it is not covered under warranty, send the bill to Dinan.

I am seriously thinking about getting the Dinan flash, but it loses its appeal if the relationship with BMW is poor and the chances of being denied warranty or payment for warranty work increase.

[TT3 iN NyC]

I bought my car CPO, what if I decide to go with the dinan flash. Would that void my CPO?

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by NeoE46

Are you sure? Sounds like you are interpreting this for what you want it to say. The PDF states....

Dinan modified cars no longer accepted into the CPO program after 9/1/08.

This is pretty clear to me. It doesn't say anything about when the car was modified....it states that any car with Dinan mods cannot be a part of the program.

Sounds like it is time for Dinan to make a move. In other words, stop notifying BMW of modifications performed. Change his warranty process. If it breaks, have BMW fix it. If it is not covered under warranty, send the bill to Dinan.

I am seriously thinking about getting the Dinan flash, but it loses its appeal if the relationship with BMW is poor and the chances of being denied warranty or payment for warranty work increase.

Gotta give a big ol - PLUS 1 to this post - all around....I agree with all of your points, from Y's interpretation of the PDF to being fed up with the direction BMW is going with respect to a tuner they should be embracing, not shunning.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Sniz

+1, but honestly I would love to have a 100k mile warranty on this car, might still look into one. I purchased my 335 as well, but i'm sure i'm going to have a few headaches down the road as parts start to wear out.

Keeping an older 'sporty' BMW on the road without warranty is an expensive proposition. Definitely get on that warranty ASAP (and get it in writing that mods don't void it)

[Garissimo]

Originally Posted by NeoE46

Are you sure? Sounds like you are interpreting this for what you want it to say. The PDF states....

Dinan modified cars no longer accepted into the CPO program after 9/1/08.

This is pretty clear to me. It doesn't say anything about when the car was modified....it states that any car with Dinan mods cannot be a part of the program.

Sounds like it is time for Dinan to make a move. In other words, stop notifying BMW of modifications performed. Change his warranty process. If it breaks, have BMW fix it. If it is not covered under warranty, send the bill to Dinan.

I am seriously thinking about getting the Dinan flash, but it loses its appeal if the relationship with BMW is poor and the chances of being denied warranty or payment for warranty work increase.

I probably already know the answer to this question but what if your only modification to the car is the Flash? It's a trivial matter for the dealer to reflash the car back to stock after taking it on trade. At this point, the car has no Dinan mods.

If the intent of the bulletin is that any car known to have any Dinan mod installed at any time is eligible for CPO, that is pretty restrictive. However, if the dealer has some discretion and can admit "lightly" modded cars that still pass mechanical inspection, that's another story.

I'll ping Rasmussen in Portland (very pro-Dinan dealer) to get their take on this in a few days...

[stressdoc]

As I read BMWese, the doc states that they will not accept Dinan'd cars into the CPO program after Sept 1, regardless of when the ECU was flashed. This will affect resale at the dealer. My guess is that it will also affect private sales as well, because it will show up in your car's history. How much $ ??? Who knows, I would guess a couple Gs. My general read is that BMW is making it more difficult and more expensive to mod your engine. This could mean that they are trying to keep up an image of long-lasting reliable cars (that could be compromised by turbos etc. breaking down in modded cars before 100k miles), or, the brighter alternative, that BMW is trying to squeeze out the competition to make room for its own performance division.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by NeoE46

Are you sure? Sounds like you are interpreting this for what you want it to say. The PDF states....

Dinan modified cars no longer accepted into the CPO program after 9/1/08.

This is pretty clear to me. It doesn't say anything about when the car was modified....it states that any car with Dinan mods cannot be a part of the program.

Sounds like it is time for Dinan to make a move. In other words, stop notifying BMW of modifications performed. Change his warranty process. If it breaks, have BMW fix it. If it is not covered under warranty, send the bill to Dinan.

I am seriously thinking about getting the Dinan flash, but it loses its appeal if the relationship with BMW is poor and the chances of being denied warranty or payment for warranty work increase.

I'm not trying to spin it in my favor. I have no motivation to do so, I'm just an optimist I suppose. Besides, I'm leasing. Also, I've spoken to my CA several times in the recent days. In reality, the statement from the bulletin is extremely vague.

Originally Posted by ezatnova

Gotta give a big ol - PLUS 1 to this post - all around....I agree with all of your points, from Y's interpretation of the PDF to being fed up with the direction BMW is going with respect to a tuner they should be embracing, not shunning.

I'm going to enjoy my car and tune. If you guys really want to find out the answers to this stuff, instead of doubting my interpretation , you should probably make some phone calls and get the answers. Pontificating about it on here will only lead you to worry more, instead of actually just sacking up and getting what you want, enjoying it, and making it work in the end.

Sorry if I'm sounding harsh, I'm just in a bad mood right now.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Garissimo

I probably already know the answer to this question but what if your only modification to the car is the Flash? It's a trivial matter for the dealer to reflash the car back to stock after taking it on trade. At this point, the car has no Dinan mods.

If the intent of the bulletin is that any car known to have any Dinan mod installed at any time is eligible for CPO, that is pretty restrictive. However, if the dealer has some discretion and can admit "lightly" modded cars that still pass mechanical inspection, that's another story.

I'll ping Rasmussen in Portland (very pro-Dinan dealer) to get their take on this in a few days...

I like this post better.

[ammbamtt]

Had the CPO discussion with the dealer after reviewing the letter with them. All DINAN flashed cars prior ro 9/1 are GRANDFATHERED.

[stressdoc]

Sounds like everyone better get their flash this summer then! I would discuss this issue in clear and certain terms with my dealer. Might even get it in writing.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

You know I wouldn't ever even come close to doing such a thing.



It was time for a change. I decided to instead display my loyalty in my signature.

By then BMW will probably be offering their own "BMW Performance Rollcage" with the disclaimer: Cars with BMW Performance Rollcage will not meet CPO specifications...

[becker800]

Originally Posted by TT3 iN NyC

I bought my car CPO, what if I decide to go with the dinan flash. Would that void my CPO?

I am kinda wondering the same answer as I am about to buy a CPO from the dealer. And I planned on doing a flash after getting (possibly dinan cause of warranty)

I think if the car is already CPO, as long as the flash is done before 9/1. Then our CPO warranty should still be in effect?

[tintivilus]

Originally Posted by ezatnova

How can it not make a difference? When you trade in the car you bought in 4 years, would you rather get $30,000 for it because they can CPO it or $24,000 for it because they can't certify it??!

Was there ever such a thing as CPO for four-year-old cars? I thought it was strictly a low-miles, low-months (eg two-year lease returns) sort of deal.

Originally Posted by becker800

I am kinda wondering the same answer as I am about to buy a CPO from the dealer. And I planned on doing a flash after getting (possibly dinan cause of warranty)

I think if the car is already CPO, as long as the flash is done before 9/1. Then our CPO warranty should still be in effect?

The PDF just talked about cars eligible for certification. You'd have to ask Dinan, not BMW, about what's covered post-50K. According to their page:

http://www.dinancars.com/bmw/warranty

Cars are either "COVERED BY THE ORIGINAL VEHICLE MANUFACTURER’S NEW CAR LIMITED WARRANTY" or not. It doesn't suggest anywhere that they know or care about CPO coverage.

(slightly OT: Why is it that I find myself posting that link so often? I'm completely amazed at the amount of speculation about Dinan warranty when it's right there for anybody to read, fine print and all)

[becker800]

Originally Posted by tintivilus

Was there ever such a thing as CPO for four-year-old cars? I thought it was strictly a low-miles, low-months (eg two-year lease returns) sort of deal.



The PDF just talked about cars eligible for certification. You'd have to ask Dinan, not BMW, about what's covered post-50K. According to their page:

http://www.dinancars.com/bmw/warranty

Cars are either "COVERED BY THE ORIGINAL VEHICLE MANUFACTURER’S NEW CAR LIMITED WARRANTY" or not. It doesn't suggest anywhere that they know or care about CPO coverage.

(slightly OT: Why is it that I find myself posting that link so often? I'm completely amazed at the amount of speculation about Dinan warranty when it's right there for anybody to read, fine print and all)

Thanks Tinti, good point. I didnt think Dinan covered anything past 50k but I wasnt sure.

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by tintivilus

Was there ever such a thing as CPO for four-year-old cars? I thought it was strictly a low-miles, low-months (eg two-year lease returns) sort of deal.

Actually a good question. Someone's gotta know. Are there "hard number" qualifications for a car to get CPO'd, i.e. less than 3 years old and less than 50k miles, etc?

[Rubber Ducky]

Get a grip, folks. A Dinan car is a hot resale property.

Dinan flash makes the car a lot faster. It also makes it a lot easier to sell and for a better price. Dealers with half a brain know this and will lust after a lease-return or used-sale Dinan E9X for their own used car lot (if they don't have a buyer already tucked away). It looks like the numbers on a CPO sale ... without the cost of the CPO process.

My local dealer can't wait to get his hands on my Dinan Stage II E93.