JB3 - 1,22 vs. 1,3?

OpenFlash · 05-07-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by turkish335

I would recommend that anyone with a tune or flash get the BT cable. Like Mike said, its more than clearing codes. It will let you know if your fuel pump may fail (ie fuel pump soft codes) or other components. I think a tune that deletes codes automatically to be a bad idea - wouldnt you like to know what the problem is and take steps to correct it? the codes are there for a reason - the car is telling you its not happy with something youre doing to it.

What tunes automatically delete codes?

shiv

newbieman78 · 05-07-2009, 09:07 PM

so if mike and terry build an automatic code cleaner into their software, which they are perfectly capable of, then would everyone switch from procede to JB3?

What mike is saying is that the BT tool is just cool to have for many other things as well, so as long as you have extra cash around just get one, whether you have a JB3 or a Procede...you can use it. Its not just JB3 users who need the BT tool.

darkphantom · 05-07-2009, 09:22 PM

Why the fk is everyone so keen on going off-topic here? Just answer the man's question.

OP - after trying the new 1.3D beta map, I must agree with what the others say in terms of low end torque and linearity. It is a good improvement over the 1.22.

While it doesn't jolt me back in my seat like the 1.22, oddly feels faster. I guess since it is much more linear, I don't notice the extra power.

there are more maps if you have the tuning gauge (I don't)

mmmotornutz · 05-07-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan92

And a PNP JB3, Tech Scanner, and chip burner costs about $916. New procede is $945. For the extra $29 its worth the

Code clears with no laptop
Radio Map changer
Data Logging
Top speed unlocker
Boost display in dash (apparently coming in the near future)

To be honest the boost display is what really excited me, as a good gauge alone is $300. So that puts the JB3 package at around $1200+ for the same features as a procede. And like I said, I own a JB3. Im just trying to help the OP not make the same mistake I did

I think the mistake you made was purchase a product that didn't suit your personality - you are more into features than performance. Most JB3 owners are simplistic and performance oriented. Most JB3 owners do not care about the Procede's added features.

Clearing codes w/o a laptop is a nice edge but how many times does one actually have to clear codes where a laptop connection is inconvenient?

The BT Scan Tool can datalog and is a powerful tool.

Some folks don't want to remove the speed delimeter.

Boost display in the dash is nice - is there an upgrade fee for that?

BMS' tuning gauge is more than a gauge, it is also a tuner w/o the need for a laptop.

Oh don't forget about how cheap a JB3 Pinout is!

JB3 Pinout 350
BT Tool 290
Chip Burner 40
Tuning Gauge 280
Total = $960 -> not bad for $15 more considering you get the BT Scan Tool with it.

mmmotornutz · 05-07-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Martyn335Ci

What´s the difference? Is the 1,3 final version already?
I´m about to order JB, but don´t know which from these two is better.

I like 1.3 over 1.22. 1.3 is more responsive for daily driving. Not sure about 1/4 mi performance yet though - haven't tested it yet. 1.3 pushes the limits further too. I am happy with 1.3.

Alan92 · 05-07-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mmmotornutz

I think the mistake you made was purchase a product that didn't suit your personality - you are more into features than performance. Most JB3 owners are simplistic and performance oriented. Most JB3 owners do not care about the Procede's added features.

Clearing codes w/o a laptop is a nice edge but how many times does one actually have to clear codes where a laptop connection is inconvenient?

The BT Scan Tool can datalog and is a powerful tool.

Some folks don't want to remove the speed delimeter.

Boost display in the dash is nice - is there an upgrade fee for that?

BMS' tuning gauge is more than a gauge, it is also a tuner w/o the need for a laptop.

Oh don't forget about how cheap a JB3 Pinout is!

JB3 Pinout 350
BT Tool 290
Chip Burner 40
Tuning Gauge 280
Total = $960 -> not bad for $15 more considering you get the BT Scan Tool with it.

Yep yep, I said thats the mistake I made in my previous post. When buying the JB3 I did go into it thinking it was simple, dont know about performance- I'm sure both tunes make the N54 go crazy fast. I read and was told by Terry that it was 100% undetectable and threw no codes, read about free upgrades to future versions, so yeah at the time, paying more money for a procede that offered similar performance seemed ridiculous. Then I found out that its not undetectable and would need a $300 code scanner

, had to pay extra to upgrade, all which I could have gotten included in a procede.

OpenFlash · 05-07-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan92

Yep yep, I said thats the mistake I made in my previous post. When buying the JB3 I did go into it thinking it was simple, dont know about performance- I'm sure both tunes make the N54 go crazy fast. I read and was told by Terry that it was 100% undetectable and threw no codes, read about free upgrades to future versions, so yeah at the time, paying more money for a procede that offered similar performance seemed ridiculous. Then I found out that its not undetectable and would need a $300 code scanner

, had to pay extra to upgrade, all which I could have gotten included in a procede.

Don't waste your breathe

The koolaid is strong with some people.

Morpheus · 05-07-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan92

Get out of here with my procede crap? I dont have one (Wish I did now

). At the time the JB3 seemed to be a better buy, but with the requirement of a tech scanner (if you want your warranty), the procede seems better due to all the features they recently included.

And a PNP JB3, Tech Scanner, and chip burner costs about $916. New procede is $945. For the extra $29 its worth the

Code clears with no laptop
Radio Map changer
Data Logging
Top speed unlocker
Boost display in dash (apparently coming in the near future)

To be honest the boost display is what really excited me, as a good gauge alone is $300. So that puts the JB3 package at around $1200+ for the same features as a procede. And like I said, I own a JB3. Im just trying to help the OP not make the same mistake I did

Procede CANBUS is $1095 on vishnu website, not $945. You don't need a burner for JB3. Terry will send you a new chip for $20. Free if within the last month or so (no planned obsolescence). Do a search on vishnu and upgrade and get lost in the number of dissatisfied users.

Oh and only 12 posts with almost half of them in this thread??? Obvious alias made for fanboy posting.

OpenFlash · 05-07-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Morpheus

Procede CANBUS is $1095 on vishnu website, not $945. You don't need a burner for JB3. Terry will send you a new chip for $20. Free if within the last month or so (no planned obsolescence). Do a search on vishnu and upgrade and get lost in the number of dissatisfied users.

No, as per my sig, it's $945 of you are on this forum. As everyone reading this thread... well.. is. Some people have been purchasing products with a 1000-1500% mark up which is all well and good. But it's also the reason such products can't control timing, defeat speed limits, offer a software based o2 sim, integrate with the CANbus, etc,. But man, you can sure get credit for something new that doesn't do what it should or was advertised to do. But, of course, some will argue that all those omissions are intentional and of no long-term consequence. But others will know better. Which means a heated debate will inevitably ensue. And most of the participants will be completely unqualified to even participate in such a discourse.

Let it begin!!

Cheers,
shiv

bulldog_yyc · 05-07-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

What tunes automatically delete codes?

shiv

your tune;does it not automatically delete codes, hence no need for the BT cable?

OpenFlash · 05-07-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by turkish335

your tune;does it not automatically delete codes, hence no need for the BT cable?

No, it does not automatically delete codes. Never did. Never will. Where are you getting your info from?

bulldog_yyc · 05-07-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

No, it does not automatically delete codes. Never did. Never will. Where are you getting your info from?

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=117

Correct me if I am wrong

yandy · 05-07-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Don't waste your breathe

The koolaid is strong with some people.

omg omg omg that is sooooo funny........ :sarcasm:

OpenFlash · 05-07-2009, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turkish335

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=117

Correct me if I am wrong

Ok. You need to manually clear the codes as shown in this video:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ht=canbus+demo

#1Stunna · 05-07-2009, 11:54 PM

LOL! Shiv email me back dammit

newbieman78 · 05-08-2009, 02:57 AM

oooh so will it automatically manually clear the codes? or it will manually clear the codes automatically? or will it automatically clear the codes manually? or do you clear automatic codes manually clearing manual codes automatically?

lol J/K

I applaud ALL tune makers equally. We won't be anywhere without them. Do people have to argue over which tuner made an extra 2 hp with their new map or who can clear a code faster by pressing less buttons? Maaan, we are all beating M3's here with all tunes so be happy.

Shi*t, if you lose 10 pounds, you can gain an extra horsepower...so now are we supposed to get dietitians on the forum here to get our asses in shape so we can get faster cars??

just my 2 cents. I am saving the rest of my dollas for DP's

darkphantom · 05-08-2009, 04:24 AM

Martyn335Ci · 05-08-2009, 04:54 AM

Thanks for responses guys, i have answer to my question so i´m ok with little OT here

)
And i´m decided for JB3 - i´m out of warranty this month so codes are not issue for me, and i have friend w diagnostics who can delete codes for me in case of need.
I just liked user-feedback better for JB, that´s why i went this route.
I´m looking forward what will our European fuel do with my car w JB on board, i´m running 100 octane only... But otherwise the car is fully stock, what map do you recomend for this setup?

TurboBimmer · 05-08-2009, 05:16 AM

Be aware that octan numbers in Europe differ from the US. I got confused by this at first.

Read somewhere that 98 oct in Europe equals to 94 oct in the States. So our 100 oct should be equal to 95 oct in the US.

You need to consider this when chosing the settings of your tune (or comparing whp dyno graphs and the like).

enrita · 05-08-2009, 05:19 AM

exactly i run Shell 99 in sweden and its equal to 94 octane in US. You should run map 3-4 with tune only.

5soko · 05-08-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Martyn335Ci

Thanks for responses guys, i have answer to my question so i´m ok with little OT here

)
And i´m decided for JB3 - i´m out of warranty this month so codes are not issue for me, and i have friend w diagnostics who can delete codes for me in case of need.
I just liked user-feedback better for JB, that´s why i went this route.
I´m looking forward what will our European fuel do with my car w JB on board, i´m running 100 octane only... But otherwise the car is fully stock, what map do you recomend for this setup?

Congrats, your going to enjoy the Jb3 alot.

Septro · 05-08-2009, 09:36 AM

$50 bucks says Shiv PM'd the OP as soon as he said he was going JB3 to offer some crazy discount and get him on the PROcede track after basically trolling the thread with his disinformation campaign??

The koolaid may be strong in some posters, but the greediness is even stronger in some tuners..

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newbieman78 Second Lieutenant 21 Rep 274 Posts Drives: bmw 335i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Las Vegas iTrader: (0)	oooh so will it automatically manually clear the codes? or it will manually clear the codes automatically? or will it automatically clear the codes manually? or do you clear automatic codes manually clearing manual codes automatically? lol J/K I applaud ALL tune makers equally. We won't be anywhere without them. Do people have to argue over which tuner made an extra 2 hp with their new map or who can clear a code faster by pressing less buttons? Maaan, we are all beating M3's here with all tunes so be happy. Shi*t, if you lose 10 pounds, you can gain an extra horsepower...so now are we supposed to get dietitians on the forum here to get our asses in shape so we can get faster cars?? just my 2 cents. I am saving the rest of my dollas for DP's __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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