[wesborl898]

LMK if u need help install and stuff.

[RANJHA]

Originally Posted by danniexi

No, they are completely legal.

Laser/Radar detectors: legal
Laser jammers: legal
Radar jammers: illegal

Increasingly more states are making the laser jammers illegal. In my home state (Illinois) they used to be legal until recently. Before you drop $500 on a system, be sure theres no legislation/talks of legislation against them.

That said, my personal experience is that the Blinder is superior to the K40-style jammers.

[328i]

Originally Posted by RANJHA

Increasingly more states are making the laser jammers illegal. In my home state (Illinois) they used to be legal until recently. Before you drop $500 on a system, be sure theres no legislation/talks of legislation against them.

That said, my personal experience is that the Blinder is superior to the K40-style jammers.

Laser jammer? What laser jammer..It's a parking aid officer.

[335iLI]

I have been driving with my passport 9500xi for 2 months and have only been hit by a laser once on 83. cop had a good hiding spot thank god for the passport or i would have been screwed. plus a cop can estimate how fast you are going to just be sight.

[Heartless]

Originally Posted by Bimmer335i07

Remember they can also give you a ticket by pacing your speed. It's always going to be your word against the officer's.

GL! And be careful out there.

pacing my speed? WTF does that mean....

[RevC]

a cop cannot give you a ticket by sight unless he is driving behind you at a given speed for a quarter mile, in the state of nj i know it is required to provide a meter readout when requested.

[Andrew9931]

NYPD HWY is qualified to do visual speed estimation. This involves looking at two stationary points such as light poles and estimating your speed. It holds up in court. Pacing involves driving behind you for a certain distance and recording the average. This also holds up in court assuming the RMP's speedo was recently calibrated and has the appropriate service records. Theres also unsafe start if you speed off when the light turns green, its called imprudent speed. Laser jammers and radar detectors can't always save you.

[LostMarine]

Originally Posted by NVM3NYC

NYPD HWY is qualified to do visual speed estimation. This involves looking at two stationary points such as light poles and estimating your speed. It holds up in court. Pacing involves driving behind you for a certain distance and recording the average. This also holds up in court assuming the RMP's speedo was recently calibrated and has the appropriate service records. Theres also unsafe start if you speed off when the light turns green, its called imprudent speed. Laser jammers and radar detectors can't always save you.

nope.. the human eye cannot be calibrated. they cannot "estimate" your speed..thats BS

[335iLI]

Originally Posted by LostMarine

nope.. the human eye cannot be calibrated. they cannot "estimate" your speed..thats BS

I hate to break it to u but they can. Called my uncle suffolk county cop they get certified to tell ur speed. They are certified to tell between plus and minus what ever they are certified for. I think plus or minus 5 mph He also said that the courts would rather them pace u. But sight will hold up in court.

[RANJHA]

Originally Posted by 335iLI

I hate to break it to u but they can. Called my uncle suffolk county cop they get certified to tell ur speed. They are certified to tell between plus and minus what ever they are certified for. I think plus or minus 5 mph He also said that the courts would rather them pace u. But sight will hold up in court.

wow that sucks

[LostMarine]

Originally Posted by RANJHA

wow that sucks

and not true...

[JerzeySux]

Pacing is nothing. Just call to go to court and tell the prosecutor that the cop was wrong and i never recall going that speed.
99% cops wont show up to court and case will be dismissed. I did this 4 times from pacing tickets and same outcome every time. One time the prosecutor dismissed it at the spot and told me to go in court and judge dismissed it right there.
So pacing is VERY EASY to beat.

Visual ticket LOL is just funny. Ill laugh at the cop and see him in court.

[335iLI]

Originally Posted by LostMarine

and not true...

It def is true. I even confirmed it with my neighbor who is a police officer also. Not sure where your from but here in suffolk county they can.

[JerzeySux]

Originally Posted by 335iLI

It def is true. I even confirmed it with my neighbor who is a police officer also. Not sure where your from but here in suffolk county they can.

Asshole cops CAN do anything. But that shit wont hold up in court with only that word saying i saw him go 200mph. If they have evidence like people reporting racing/speeding or getting you on dash cam and etc than they can probably get you but just saying u were going this speed with no other proof is HARD to hold against in court.

[LostMarine]

Originally Posted by 335iLI

It def is true. I even confirmed it with my neighbor who is a police officer also. Not sure where your from but here in suffolk county they can.

get him to tell you the name of this certification.. he can't cause it doesn't exist. police have a hard enough time in court over LIDAR and RADAR, whcih have to be calibrated so often, used in certain weather conditions, at cartain distances, etc.. do you think a cop can prove he "visually calculated" my speed? get the name of the certification.. your police friends are yanking your chain, as they usually do

[ZJP]

While I do believe that they are trained for visual speed estimation, I don't think it would hold up in court very well if they have no other proof - especially if you have a good attorney.

[LostMarine]

Originally Posted by ZJP

While I do believe that they are trained for visual speed estimation, I don't think it would hold up in court very well if they have no other proof - especially if you have a good attorney.

I would just tell the officer to tell me how fast the tennis ball is moving then.. similar to this:

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[RevC]

Originally Posted by LostMarine

and not true...

+1, and i just confirmed this with my cop buddy that there is no such certification, not only is that impossible to prove in court, but he has also told me how much difficulty he has in proving speed using LIDAR radar systems, which need to be calibrated perfectly and many times the defendent will ask to see calibration records of the gun. in order to issue a citation there must be evidence of excessive speed, it would never hold up in court. think about it.

[ZJP]

Really impressive.

Looks like I'll be going with the LI once cashflow starts picking up.

[335iLI]

Originally Posted by LostMarine

get him to tell you the name of this certification.. he can't cause it doesn't exist. police have a hard enough time in court over LIDAR and RADAR, whcih have to be calibrated so often, used in certain weather conditions, at cartain distances, etc.. do you think a cop can prove he "visually calculated" my speed? get the name of the certification.. your police friends are yanking your chain, as they usually do

Did some research:

First, as a certified radar operator, part of the training includes a practical exercise on estimating speeds of vehicles. This is conducted in both the moving and stationary mode. I require my students to be able to estimate vehicle speed to within 2 mph of the actual speed of the vehicle. They do this 20 times each for moving and stationary. I average all the results. The officer can then testify to to a vehicles speed due to his/her estimation. ***I do not need a speed measuring device to write you a ticket. My observation of your speed is my reason for the stop. The radar/lidar/pace are only tools to verify my observation.***

All radar certification courses are identical or closely based upon the NHTSA course. It has been recognized in every state in the US as being sufficient to use radar/lidar.

Guys not saying it will hold up in court but if you search online there are numerous people that have been given tickets and have been found guilty based on visual estimates. Just want to give you the heads up if you still dont believe it that is fine.

[RevC]

i don't believe it because i have experienced it first hand through speeding violations back in the day, where a cop claimed i was driving wrecklessly and used "visual estimation" to determine that i was speeding. it did NOT hold up in court, my case was thrown out and i paid a 33 dollar court fee and left with a smirk on my face. that is why when i say it does not hold up in court, i mean it, i am not just here to bull shit people. i talk from experience. everyone's case is different though and many people don't know their rights, thats how the judicial system will fuck you. when you don't ask questions you leave yourself vulnerable to be viciously fucked by the law, ask questions. you and the officer are both there to argue your point. if you feel like you need evidence, request it. if it was refused at time of ticket issuance, which mine was ( cop did NOT provide me with any record of excessive speed other than seeing it and refused to provide me with any documentation, btw i was 4mph over the limit), its arguable. it will come down to his word vs. yours so if you don't come prepared with a valid argument be prepared to lose. without physical evidence to prove an observation of excessive speed, i.e calibration records, meter readouts, it can be fought in your favor. take a second to think about it. case closed.

[335iLI]

Originally Posted by RevC

i don't believe it because i have experienced it first hand through speeding violations back in the day, where a cop claimed i was driving wrecklessly and used "visual estimation" to determine that i was speeding. it did NOT hold up in court, my case was thrown out and i paid a 33 dollar court fee and left with a smirk on my face. that is why when i say it does not hold up in court, i mean it, i am not just here to bull shit people. i talk from experience. everyone's case is different though and many people don't know their rights, thats how the judicial system will fuck you. when you don't ask questions you leave yourself vulnerable to be viciously fucked by the law, ask questions. you and the officer are both there to argue your point. if you feel like you need evidence, request it. if it was refused at time of ticket issuance, which mine was ( cop did NOT provide me with any record of excessive speed other than seeing it and refused to provide me with any documentation, btw i was 4mph over the limit), its arguable. it will come down to his word vs. yours so if you don't come prepared with a valid argument be prepared to lose. without physical evidence to prove an observation of excessive speed, i.e calibration records, meter readouts, it can be fought in your favor. take a second to think about it. case closed.

I agree with you but they will try to use that visual crap with you it does exist and if you don't argue it right in court like you did you will get a ticket. Its just annoying that people say that they cant do it when they can. It just want hold up in court if you know what you are talking about.