[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by ar design

I supposed this explains your incessant need to post in competitors threads.

come again?

[Aridk]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Just to keep track of rumors and gossip. Today I learned that I set up a fake account and pretended to be a Russian? And that I'm best friends with Abid@ASR. And all sorts of stuff. I suppose this need for drama and conflict is why reality shows are so popular.

Hey you forgot to mention your also running a Haltech tune

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Aridk

Hey you forgot to mention your also running a Haltech tune

True. But after 15 pages, I'm pretty sure gossip officially becomes fact.

[Aridk]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

True. But after 15 pages, I'm pretty sure gossip officially becomes fact.

Yep they have realy been after you overthere this last week!!

[New Guy]

Shiv, the need for drama seems to start with you. Everyone knows your product is the better product, hell im new here and it didnt take long for me to pick which tune i would go with when im ready to tune my car. For some reason every chance you get you have to wave your own flag, whats the deal. Your product speaks for itself, if thats not good enough just look around at your fan club ( im a future fan club member) Please dont take this as an attack or a put down, im just pointing my point of view, nothing more , nothing less. The more you try to defend or prove something, the more drama it causes.

[import36]

Originally Posted by ar design

I supposed this explains your incessant need to post in competitors threads.

My work is done here.

what the? i thought i read in another thread you guys were cool now(AR/Shiv). guess not.

must've confused this with an episode of Gossip Girl.(yup i watch the show)

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by New Guy

Shiv, the need for drama seems to start with you. Everyone knows your product is the better product, hell im new here and it didnt take long for me to pick which tune i would go with when im ready to tune my car. For some reason every chance you get you have to wave your own flag, whats the deal. Your product speaks for itself, if thats not good enough just look around at your fan club ( im a future fan club member) Please dont take this as an attack or a put down, im just pointing my point of view, nothing more , nothing less. The more you try to defend or prove something, the more drama it causes.

I beg to differ, when you are passionate about what you do you talk about it, A LOT. LOL we do too, thats why you are on the forums right now. He is always on here because thats what pays the BILLS! haha he isnt the best for nothing! All of the updates, all the questions that people like me ask, all the bullshit that people post and try to bash the Vishnu name....etc. He has to be on top of it to keep a good image. I find it rather refreshing to get feedback from him and know with confidence that he actually cares about his product and is willing to put in the extra time on here to make sure all of the procede guys are happy. I think that you will find that the more you learn, the more that you will want to chime in and set the record straight for those that arent as informed or those who are posting stuff that they think is fact. 98% of the time SHIV is posting about updates and helping people with their problems. The other 2% is just shootin the shit, which is WAYY less that the majority of the vendors/sponsors on here. Like at the beggining of this thread, he just posted a dyno to show, others created the bullshit drama. Get your facts straight.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by kennejp

This is all priceless! This looks almost the same as the helix upgrade everyone was dogging the numbers bc it didnt have a procede tune yada yada and this is higher boost levels and making less power and everyone is saying it looks good. Talk about FANBOI'S!!!

Its not about being a fanboi or whatever the hell you are talking about. If you look closely at the dyno on the Helix turbo upgrade, you will find that the peak hp is about at 5500rpm and then the hp drops like it hit a brick wall until 6700rpm. PEAK HP DOESNT MATTER, you want consistent power throughout the entire rpm band. IMO its tune related, but I guess only time will tell. As you can see in the dyno in Shiv's OP, the hp curve is extended steadily throughout the ENTIRE rpm band until the optimal shift point. Please look into the details before you go posting about something that you are misunderstanding. Kinda makes you look like you dont know what you're talking about.

[New Guy]

Originally Posted by Penn999

I beg to differ, when you are passionate about what you do you talk about it, A LOT. LOL we do too, thats why you are on the forums right now. He is always on here because thats what pays the BILLS! haha he isnt the best for nothing! All of the updates, all the questions that people like me ask, all the bullshit that people post and try to bash the Vishnu name....etc. He has to be on top of it to keep a good image. I find it rather refreshing to get feedback from him and know with confidence that he actually cares about his product and is willing to put in the extra time on here to make sure all of the procede guys are happy. I think that you will find that the more you learn, the more that you will want to chime in and set the record straight for those that arent as informed or those who are posting stuff that they think is fact. 98% of the time SHIV is posting about updates and helping people with their problems. The other 2% is just shootin the shit, which is WAYY less that the majority of the vendors/sponsors on here. Like at the beggining of this thread, he just posted a dyno to show, others created the bullshit drama. Get your facts straight.

Penn, i understand what youre saying, however the facts are straight. Fact is we both have the right to see things from a different point of view, and youre not getting what im saying(maybe i chose the wrong words) For those that cant read and learn how stuff works, they will never get it. You can lead a horse to water ,but you cant make him drink. Were on the same team, we just see things differently im out

[dzenno]

Wasn't this setup supposed to yield 540whp on race+meth (that's what ASR's dynos showed)? I know this is pump but 130whp difference for an additional 3psi? Doesn't look right

[mycoupe]

Originally Posted by Penn999

PEAK HP DOESNT MATTER, you want consistent power throughout the entire rpm band. IMO its tune related, but I guess only time will tell.

You sure about that dude? I would bet it has a little more to do with the choice in specs on the upgrade and the efficiency of the turbo setup more so than the tune.

[enrita]

Originally Posted by mycoupe

You sure about that dude? I would bet it has a little more to do with the choice in specs on the upgrade and the efficiency of the turbo setup more so than the tune.

dont think so . if you taper the boost so much as the jb3 did for this upgrade "for safety" as helix mentioned than you will just loose power.
the V4 probably hold the boost all the way without taper thats why the power was consistent.

[enrita]

Originally Posted by dzenno

Wasn't this setup supposed to yield 540whp on race+meth (that's what ASR's dynos showed)? I know this is pump but 130whp difference for an additional 3psi? Doesn't look right

on pump it did 430whp


on meth+race gas over 500whp

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by mycoupe

You sure about that dude? I would bet it has a little more to do with the choice in specs on the upgrade and the efficiency of the turbo setup more so than the tune.

I agree on the specs(supporting mods), he needs to be fully bolted IMO. But, I beleive that the tune makes these "weak spots" more evident. The lack of air flow on the front side and the back side hinders this car from making really big numbers(with the correct tuning). I think Helix did a hell of a job on their end...and for the price, my car might being going up to philly to see what a car with full mods and the procede can do. I would like to see a couple more dynos and datalogs before I make that kinda commitment. Gotta pass this series 7 first tho! a nice size bonus would pay for the whole setup...we shall see.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by dzenno

Wasn't this setup supposed to yield 540whp on race+meth (that's what ASR's dynos showed)? I know this is pump but 130whp difference for an additional 3psi? Doesn't look right

I believe they did hit this number, it was with race gas, meth, and running over 20psi. Dont quote me on that but those are the numbers that Abid told me when I was considering the ASR upgrade. There are some youtube vids of their 135i hanging with their tuned 911 and GTR, Im pretty sure they are hitting 500+ in order to keep up with the both of them.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by enrita

dont think so . if you taper the boost so much as the jb3 did for this upgrade "for safety" as helix mentioned than you will just loose power.
the V4 probably hold the boost all the way without taper thats why the power was consistent.

Agreed, good ole enrita to set the story straight...my idol lol

[Fernflex]

Quoted from Asr page on Youtube.com

485whp/467wtq 18psi, 93 oct + meth
505whp/498wtq 18 psi, 100 oct+ meth

Another vid says:

430whp pump gas (the dyno number of my friend are close to this numbers)
475whp pump with Meth injection
540whp 104octane and meth injection

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by Fernflex

Quoted from Asr page on Youtube.com

485whp/467wtq 18psi, 93 oct + meth
505whp/498wtq 18 psi, 100 oct+ meth

Another vid says:

430whp pump gas (the dyno number of my friend are close to this numbers)
475whp pump with Meth injection
540whp 104octane and meth injection

It didnt list the psi...lol I think it was over 20psi but i could be wrong. I will call ASR and see what they are up to sometime today...If they made 540whp at 18psi I might need to reconsider my turbo upgrade.

[dzenno]

So on pump they're at ~430whp...max they'd go is 21 psi so another 3 psi on top of this dyno you think yields 110whp on race+meth?? no way

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by dzenno

So on pump they're at ~430whp...max they'd go is 21 psi so another 3 psi on top of this dyno you think yields 110whp on race+meth?? no way

I wasnt there for the dyno but those are the figures I was given several months ago. I believe they ought to be close to that just to hang with the 996 turbo and the gtr. It looks like they are WOT to me...the eye USUALLY doesnt ever lie. While I dont know they numbers on the gtr, I can assume that even in order to keep up with a BONE STOCK gtr you are going to have to be making upwards of 450whp. Im not saying exact numbers, just a rough estimate.

[forza1976]

Not to beat a dead horse... but didn't we have a thread recently that noted corrected numbers for the dynojet are not applicable to FI cars?

I think we should be looking at uncorrected numbers on these cars to be fair.

*** The following pulled from another thread ***

"The correction factors that we use in our dynamometer software are not
valid with forced induction applications. The most popular correction
factor, SAE CFJ1349 JUN90 and J1995 JUN95, does not account for the
conditions present in boosted applications. Atmospheric pressure is the
major component of this calculation, and anything that varies from the
standard (29.235 inHg) can easily be corrected for NA applications. When
you are forcing an "artificial atmosphere" into your motor, these
standards go out the window.

Technically any boosted car should be viewed as uncorrected if you want
to compare apples to apples. If we had a correction factor that just
took into account temperature and humidity, that may make things easier
to compare in boosted applications. If you are forcing 1 atmosphere
(14.7 psi) in your motor at 6,000 feet, or 1 atmosphere at 100 feet,
that's really the same difference.................IF you are measuring
manifold ABSOLUTE pressure, it's absolute, don't rely on a standard
boost gauge to give you an absolute value.

Regards,
----------------
Dan Hourigan"

[Slidewayz]

Originally Posted by enrita

on pump it did 430whp


on meth+race gas over 500whp

That is a beautiful graph !!! The torque comes up quick and is flat near the peak for over 3500 rpms. Oh, and the HP doesn't drop off up top. Which turbo upgrade did this ?